Oh those pesky super delegates undermining the will of the people

[BenDan]

So Bernie crushed Hillary in NH - popular vote by 22 percentage points and he won across all demos

A thrashing

24 delegates at stake

15 for Bernie
9 for Hillary
+6 right ?

well no

see there are 8 super delegates, 6 of whom have committed to Hillary, 2 undecided

So yeah you just did the math in your head and Bernie and Hillary are tied despite his big "victory"

This is a perfect example of Bernie's "power of the establishment against the will of the people" first hand

Turns out that Hillary has 300+ super delegates already committed to her already

This is what makes Clinton so powerful in the Democratic race — even while she and Sanders battle it out among rank-and-file voters, she has a massive lead among superdelegates. Altogether, she already has 394 delegates and superdelegates to Sanders' 44 — a nearly ninefold lead.

these are the 1% that Bernie is railing about - those who make all the money and apparently have decision making power in elections that trumps the will of the people

Superdelegates are party insiders of all sorts — they include state and national elected officials, as well as Democratic National Committee members. So a little-known DNC committee member might be a superdelegate, as well as former President Bill Clinton. And while state primary results help apportion the non-super delegates, the superdelegates get to pick whom they want.

Gross

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/10/46628...ually-winning-in-n-h-even-though-she-lost-big

 

[hotatlboi]

Seen this a lot today.

It's a completely false narrative.

The supers are not going to go against the will of the electorate.

Hillary had a lot of early super delegate endorsements in 2008 as well. After Obama won more pledged delegates, most of the supers voted for him at the convention.

They are not going to let their vote decide the nomination. They could have decided it for Hillary in 2008 if they wanted too. It's a nonstarter to actually have that happen.

 

[opinterph]

It's a completely false narrative.

I agree. The superdelegates can change their mind and support someone else -- regardless of their "committment" to one particular candidate early on. If the news channels want to keep a tally of superdelegates, they should keep that count separate from the delegates chosen by voters. Mixing them together is deceptive and misleading.

 

[nycguydowntown]

It doesn't matter---all the states coming up favor Hillary----we get hyped up with things because of media --cable news etc.
If her campaign completely collapses which I doubt then I will eat crow---
The entire Black Caucus is supporting her will be announced tomorrow---so we shall see.
Black voters support Hillary 78 to 20% for Bernie.

Bernie! Secy of Health and Human Services!!

 

[BenDan]

Seen this a lot today.

It's a completely false narrative.

The supers are not going to go against the will of the electorate.

Hillary had a lot of early super delegate endorsements in 2008 as well. After Obama won more pledged delegates, most of the supers voted for him at the convention.

They are not going to let their vote decide the nomination. They could have decided it for Hillary in 2008 if they wanted too. It's a nonstarter to actually have that happen.

thanks for the insight Hotatlboi

so you're saying that the 6 NH superdelegates who are committed to Hillary will in fact not cast for her in the end ? unless not counting themselves she wins ?

 

[BenDan]

and why would a system has these "super" delegates with such extraordinary power ?

what is the logic ?

 

[hotatlboi]

thanks for the insight Hotatlboi

so you're saying that the 6 NH superdelegates who are committed to Hillary will in fact not cast for her in the end ? unless not counting themselves she wins ?

Some of them might, but taken together enough of the 800+ supers would vote for Bernie to make sure he got the nom if he wins in pledged delegates.

 

[hotatlboi]

It doesn't matter---all the states coming up favor Hillary----we get hyped up with things because of media --cable news etc.
If her campaign completely collapses which I doubt then I will eat crow---
The entire Black Caucus is supporting her will be announced tomorrow---so we shall see.
Black voters support Hillary 78 to 20% for Bernie.

Bernie! Secy of Health and Human Services!!

It's not even close to over. Bernie will get at least a marginal bump from his NH win. The southern states coming up do favor Hillary, however the Midwest states after that could favor Bernie again. Also since everything is proportional in the Dem primary, it's not a knockout blow to Bernie if he loses the southern states as long as he keeps it close.

The only reason he would realistically get out at this point is if he could not effectively fundraise to compete in the more expensive states. But the money is still pouring in for him. It's going to be a long campaign I think.

 

[BenDan]

It's not even close to over. Bernie will get at least a marginal bump from his NH win. The southern states coming up do favor Hillary, however the Midwest states after that could favor Bernie again. Also since everything is proportional in the Dem primary, it's not a knockout blow to Bernie if he loses the southern states as long as he keeps it close.

The only reason he would realistically get out at this point is if he could not effectively fundraise to compete in the more expensive states. But the money is still pouring in for him. It's going to be a long campaign I think.

Bernie is FLUSH

so ironic that the man fighting against the 1% has money to BERN

Bernie Sanders Has Raised $5.2 Million Since The Polls Closed In New Hampshire

http://theworldbulletin.com/2016/02...lion-since-the-polls-closed-in-new-hampshire/

 

[TickTockMan]

After Sanders' Big Win in New Hampshire, Establishment Figures Want to Scare You with Superdelegates. Here's Why It's Bullshit

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...ers-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.html


A good piece on this.

 

[BenDan]

After Sanders' Big Win in New Hampshire, Establishment Figures Want to Scare You with Superdelegates. Here's Why It's Bullshit

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...ers-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.html


A good piece on this.

great piece that actually doesn't lead me to the conclusion that it's bullshit

Here’s why it doesn’t matter: Superdelegates have never decided a Democratic nomination. It would be insane, even by the corrupt standards of the Democratic National Committee, if a small group of party elites went against the will of the people to choose the presidential nominee.

i def do not trust the establishment dems to do the right thing

 

[hotatlboi]

great piece that actually doesn't lead me to the conclusion that it's bullshit

i def do not trust the establishment dems to do the right thing

Again, they could have given it to Hillary in 2008 if they wanted to.

 

[BenDan]

Again, they could have given it to Hillary in 2008 if they wanted to.

OK and they didn't and they couldn't because that would've been perceived as a major racist play no ?

Bernie Sanders not getting the same "courtesy" is more imaginable no ?

 

[TickTockMan]

i def do not trust the establishment dems to do the right thing

The thing is people in power want to stay in power. I don't see superdelegates as willing to hurt themselves just to help Hillary.

 

[Rolyo85]

I don't know why putting Bernie in power is automatically considered the "right" thing...

 

[BenDan]

I don't know why putting Bernie in power is automatically considered the "right" thing...

you should read more than a single post if you want to understand what's going on

 

[Rolyo85]

I have read the whole topic, but thanks for the suggestion, it's a good one.

 

[frankfrank]

At least I understand the Superdelegate system more than I did, now. In this case the "Super-" prefix doesn't mean ultra-powerful (as in Superman or Superball lottery), but its secondary meaning sort of "Removed from" or "Outside of". One Superdelegate is still equal to one vote (not 7 or 12 or something like I thought), just that they are not beholden to ANYTHING in the process.

Black voters support Hillary 78 to 20% for Bernie.

I've actually heard 87% to 13% (doing the math where I heard about a 74% spread), which is even worse.

and why would a system has these "super" delegates with such extraordinary power ?

what is the logic ?

The logic has been presented, but it all only proves that the system of electing the Democratic candidate is profoundly undemocratic.

Some of them might, but taken together enough of the 800+ supers would vote for Bernie to make sure he got the nom if he wins in pledged delegates.

Would they still do this, if the DNC ORDERS that they really need to vote for Hillary...

The thing is people in power want to stay in power. I don't see superdelegates as willing to hurt themselves just to help Hillary.

...or else, if they don't vote for Hillary, they will never be hired by the DNC again?

I may rail against Repugnantans a lot, but neither do I trust the DNC even as far as you can throw a grand piano.

 

[kallipolis]

I don't know why putting Bernie in power is automatically considered the "right" thing...

Noteworthy observation...for...to find a Democratic candidate openly identifying as socialist we have to go back to Upton Sinclair running for California governor in 1934. In the primaries he took three times as many votes as all his opponents combined. Despite this President Roosevelt refused to endorse him. When polls demonstrated that Sinclair might win, conservative Democrats launched a new party to drain support away from him.

Like a few others here, I am concerned that despite supporting many of Bernie's proposals, should Sanders win the Democrat nomination, it could lead to a Republican presidency, as Democrat conservatives vote for the Republican nominee..the worst of all nightmares.

 

[Rolyo85]

One correction - Bernie has identified as an Independent throughout his career, in fact running against and not supporting Democrats. He is only a "dem" now, in order to be able to use the Democratic party structure.