OMFG.... Jack Layton was HOTTTT!!!!

[MTLDude]

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There is a double standard here, and the lack of respect to an entire nation is shameful.

I agree with you, gsdx... but sometimes we have to choose our battles, and this one is already lost for people like you and me who have a stricter definition of what respect means...

 

[Corny]

Firstly, nothing that was said about these 'celebrities' after they died hadn't been said before they died.

And that makes a difference how? Nobody said he is hot BECAUSE he died, so I don't see the difference here. Whether you learn that someone was hot because you never saw him before, or whether you knew him to be hot before he died - doesn't make a difference.

Secondly, the only one who died the way Jack died was Patrick Swayze. The rest died in fast cars, by suicide, or by drugs and booze.

Not sure why this makes a difference either? This is about the person, not the way he died. Or shall we now have less respect for people who die from different causes?

There is a complete lack of consideration for a country in mourning. We are still reeling from the news of Jack's death. Yet this thread was and still is allowed to continue.

It's shameful that it is being defended with no consideration whatsoever to the feelings of Canada.

I don't get why he should get a "special treatment" just because he was a famous canadian person. We could as well just take any offense that someone takes on something into consideration. Boy we will be closing threads left and right that day Did you ever see the non-offensive christmas episode of South Park?

I could see the feelings of Canada hurt if someone would in some way or another insult the person - but nobody does that. I for one can only wish that after my death many people post "fuck he was hot" threads on any forum that I was a part of in my life. Surely I also hope to be remembered for other things, but just because this is the aspect that caused someone to start a thread over it, it doesn't mean other people can't value him for other values

And don't get me started on trying to draw the conclusion how this could show the disrespect for an entire nation. This "argument" sounds very US-american

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

Brad Renfro is dead?!?

When did that happen, and where the hell was I?

and Jonathan Brandis?

wtf? I didn't know either

It seems Brad Renfro from a herion od at 25 and Jonathan Brandis committed suicide at 27.

RIP boys........so sad

 

[Críostóir]

quasar and Corny, with all respect, Canadian sensibilities are quite different from those of Europeans, UK residents, Australians, or even US Americans.

The offense this thread gives to those sensibilities has been clearly expressed, and I would implore you to take it into account.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

I did not compare their deaths. What I was addressing was the absurdity of people being offended by this thread when less than a month ago people were making fun of someone's drug addiction and death. Do you understand?

I wasn't addressing you, but now that you've gotten righteous and indignant, I will.

The only absurdity here is the fact that we're supposed to hold the two in the same regard just because they're dead. One person caused their death, the other did not. I'm sure they both touched lives, and I won't claim to know about the fanbase of either person, and the degree to which they did. But you can't pick and choose who's allowed to get offended at what just because one person died and they didn't show remorse, and another person does and they do. Case by case basis.

Now, do YOU understand? Or does this need to be broken down further?

(personally, I know nothing about this man, so i'm not here to fight about whether or not he should be found attractive or not - as mentioned, there are dead celebrities that people - myself included - do find attractive[I've spoken of James Lynn Strait for YEARS on this site]. I do know about Amy Winehouse enough to not celebrate her life OR death, but love what music she did put out in her short lifespan in the same way I do with Alice In Chains' original frontman Layne Staley. However, in BOTH those cases, I saw their early demise coming - and won't apologize for having thoughts about it that aren't nice.)

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

I'm Canadian and I don't get what the big deal here is.

He was HOT to some.

not my type but definitely attractive

I'm sure he was hot to his wife.

everyone who is complaining get a grip and pull that stick out of your ass.

 

[Tribune]

I knew Jack personally and worked with him on the 2011 campaign.

Jack would have laughed at the OP's comment as I know he was always joking about the women screaming at him.

As for GSDX, who anointed you to speak on behalf of all Canadians??

Ok, so you don't think it's proper! Speak for yourself please.

I for one got a laugh at the OP's thread and I know, that is KNOW, my friend Jack would have also laughed out loud.

Mr. Layton, (to you) was a gentlemen, a fabulous politicians and a man with great humour.

Take a cup of tea to relax your nerves.





Ottawa Ontario

 

[Tribune]

quasar and Corny, with all respect, Canadian sensibilities are quite different from those of Europeans, UK residents, Australians, or even US Americans.

The offense this thread gives to those sensibilities has been clearly expressed, and I would implore you to take it into account.

Sorry Criostoir, don't pick up on the expressed opinion of one person and attribute the sentiment to an entire Nation. Some people just like to but-in and try to destroy others, too often without cause.

Canadians are not different in their sensitivities and sensibilities. Read the OP's opening sentence, that said it all for me.

 

[rareboy]

What Tribune wrote.....

I also knew Jack and I swear, he would have found the idea funny.

By the way, for those of you who didn't know, he co-founded the White Ribbon Campaign to end violence against women.

http://www.whiteribbon.ca/about_us/

Now in 60 countries.

 

[BINOWGAYLATER]

I don't have to be Canadian to be offended.

I don't care about how many other celebs/personalities have been discussed here - whether before or after their death.

It's the timing of all of this that sucks.
The man just passed the same day.

and it surely isn't just Neil that was hurt by this -- to me, it's more like it was intended to 'poke a stick" in somebody's ribs - then run away singing. I didn't do anything -- well it's just a bunch of bullcrap !

I was brought up to "do the right thing"and can't see how bringing up this mans looks NOW, is doing the right thing. It helps no-one, and hurts others.

I certainly wouldn't live long if looked into your mothers coffin and said - Fuck - she's hot !! It's just not the right time or the right place.

This whole thing is just disrespectful, to the poor man who died, and to the people who loved him.

and because the OP did not have the decency nor common sense to post this topic next week, Neil will most likely not be around now...

and you can say - who cares - it's only one person - - but you know what?
everybody matters................

and I'm further disappointed in those who saw this thread and chose NOT to respond when they might have agreed with it's distasteful nature.
It's typical of the "Who gives a fuck - it doesn't affect me" attitude of the under 30 generation.

 

[pat grimshaw]

…disrespectful…

I try to be respectful to friends/family/JUBbers/gay guys.

I show less respect to celebrities/politicians who gain their income from us.

And also, I'm from a Protestant background so I don't blindly follow the old Catholic doctrinal bugaboos.

 

[Piquechampion]

I think its really unfortunate that what was intended to be a positive thread about him is now filled with people flaming each other.

Come on guys. I think everyone means well but this is getting out of hand, tbh.

Unlike what the ¨Bisexual¨ & ¨Married¨ gay porn forum troll thinks, my intention with this thread was being positive.

First, for those of you who think that maybe I started this thread in a passive-agressive kind of way because I didn't agree with his politics, they couldn't be more wrong..... I am, in the political spectrum, as left as Jack was.... in fact, after reading more about his life and politics, I can help but admire him.

Second, when I first saw his picture in the Wikipedia main page announcing his demise, I thought what a good looking older man he was. I did a search for him on Google images, and it appeared his picture as a young man..... I was struck by how good looking he was as a young fellow. I thought I'd share my opinion on this forum.

Third, is nice to see that not ALL Canadians have a stick so far up their asses, that they smell foul play in the most innocent of compliments.

 

[bankside]

As a Canadian, I make it a policy not to mourn the deaths of people I don't know. His death is moving in the way that we all have a certain human solidarity and note an untimely passing, more so when someone is so very active in life immediately before his decease. But I feel it would be a preposterous imposition on the legitimate grief of his family to say I am "in mourning."

He was not a hero of mine. I think he moved politics backward in this country and delivered it into the hands of a theocratic Machiavellian control freak. Sometimes I think it was naïveté on his part, and when I am in my most Machiavellian frame of mind myself, I think he did it cynically and deliberately to fulfil some nonsense he probably believed about Marxian dialectic. However none of that matters much in comparison with the basic fact: I don't know the first thing about him as a man.

And while his passing is being acknowledged with a State Funeral, thus it might be said that "the Nation is in mourning," I feel it would be inappropriate for me to make assertions that I am experiencing some kind of special grief. None of us who didn't actually know him are especially well qualified to mourn.

I for one also happen to like unseemly, raucous, comedic, outlandish, irreverent funerary customs. And as grieving is a personal thing, if people do want to incorporate a sense of humour or a tongue-in-cheek approach to whatever sense of grief or whatever other emotion they might attach to the occasion, it is totally within their right and not for the rest of us to condemn. Ordinarily this respect for the personal manner of grieving is a basic matter of etiquette which goes largely unremarked, though consideration may be given to the wishes of the departed by those who know him.

For instance, when the time comes, I hope people will respect my wishes to make an unseemly spectacle of my funeral: I am hoping to be able to book a protest by those Westboro Baptist Vaudevillians, they're excellently funny. And then after the speeches and the fond stories and the tears, and perhaps a tribute performed by a few well-fit dancers, I'd like my corpse to be dropped out of a plane, or better yet launched out of a trebuchet, towards its final place of repose. I would not consider it over the top if it were also set ablaze at the time.

But in the case of a public figure, we can only speculate as to what he might consider a fitting tribute. I don't think it is for anyone else to police how people remember or talk about someone - maybe within the inner circles of those who knew him, perhaps; those about whom Mr. Layton might have actually had an opinion. But surely the opinion of a remote foreign stranger on the internet could not, and would not, have mattered to the man in question. There is no affront to either personal or national dignity. You should hear what I said about Reagan.

And Layton was very plain. Not hot at all. Looked terrible in orange - like death warmed over. Shows what taste you have, Pique!

 

[HoodedRat]

This place seems to get more PC with each passing day.

 

[pat grimshaw]

PC is another form of Puritanism.

It allows people to be holier-than-thou.

It has made things unworkable in my country and I'm sure it's a factor in the London Riots

 

[2243]

When someone who is loved dies and causes another pain, it is one of the saddest things in life to observe. It is sickening when people who observe this can still mock or ridicule and look the other way with out sympathy, but I do not believe that was the purpose of this thread. This thread is not a church, we are not in a funeral, and it is not even really a thread about his death. This is a thread in a gay porn site's forum and a positive one. So, to find people here talking about how hot he was is something I expect and do not consider offensive.

What I do find disturbing in this thread is that it is one thing to feel devastated and offended, but to demand this thread be deleted because you do not feel it is up to your standards of some higher level of respect that you feel this person deserves, that is something else. The idea is self righteous and slightly sickening in my mind. To think that the death of my loved ones should force more respect out of others just because they were my loved ones or because of who they were, I find the thought more disrespectful than this thread has become.

To those who are truly devastated, my condolences. I'm sorry and I feel for your loss.

 

[silosybin]

i was a fan of layton and voted for him in several elections, and i don't think the OP is offensive at all... in fact i thought it was funny.

some people just take life too seriously.

 

[Aaron]

I'm Canadian, and I didn't find the OP's post offensive. The guy in the elevator on my way to work on Monday who said, "meh, the Commie deserved it" as the headline flashed across the television screen was offensive (and I told him so).

Some Canadians are in mourning. Some aren't.

 

[titmouse]

I would agree with the guy on the elevator as quoted by Aaron. I think Layton was an egotistical con artist. He also would have qualified, for a while, as the most dangerous man in Canada.

I do however, feel sorry for his wife and family, who certainly saw him in a different light.

 

[Aaron]

I would agree with the guy on the elevator as quoted by Aaron. I think Layton was an egotistical con artist. He also would have qualified, for a while, as the most dangerous man in Canada.

I do however, feel sorry for his wife and family, who certainly saw him in a different light.

I couldn't stand his politics, but saying someone deserved to die of cancer is shameful.