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Opinions About PRIDE

TickTockMan

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Do you feel PRIDE events should be more family friendly, adult friendly (adult in nature), or both.



Back in September I was elected to our Board of Directors for PRIDE. It turns out there is much politics involved, more than I thought there would be by far. Something that keeps coming up is a lot of people think it should be kid friendly, but also a lot feel there should be more for adults. Those that feel that there should be more for adults tend to feel that PRIDE is losing the sexualness and queerness they go to PRIDE for. To put it anther way they feel our PRIDE in the past is trying to make them live “straight” lives.



Anyways I would like to hear opinions on this please.
 
It should be family friendly during the day and adult-oriented after hours.
 
SinfulSimon just executed the most prized skill of humanity: compromise. Now run with it.
 
This is not easy to resolve. The point of PRIDE in the past was being ourselves in the open in daylight. The fact that there is this conflict going on shows the progress that has been made. We are more public about our families and gay friendly people are more public about supporting us. For me this issue is kids. I think it's ok to show sexual energy, but local laws regarding nudity ought to be followed.
 
A Pride Parade should be the gay community's day to be ourselves out loud. I refuse to censor myself so the suburbanites can come down and have me entertain them. Pride is for US... not for us to put on a show for THEM.

When some group of uptight straight people is whining that I have to censor myself so they can still take their kids to come laugh at the funny queers, we have a problem.

Pride Day isn't a public relations day for the community and it shouldn't be a commercial for gay rights. We're not trying to make a political statement other than "You can beat me down and I'm still not ashamed to be me."

But I'll let Harvey have the last word..

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Our pride day consists of a rally, march then a pretty family friendly outdoor festival thing. Straights are not the only ones with families that would enjoy a more family friendly attitude. Yes guys run around without shirts on, there's drag queens, this past year I saw a woman totally topless too. I don't think anyone really cared though.

As for adult entertainment, during the festival there was a porno star doing a little show down at one of the gay bars. Then later in the evening was an 18+ dance event.

I'd say here the pride week is balanced, there's things that under 18 can attend, and somethings that are just 18+.
 
Just to be clear, the people that want it more family friendly are GLBT people themselves. They are scared our local press will run with the "adult" stuff and not talk about the rest in the story.


Stuff that has been talked about is like having a drag contest for kids. The people that don't want it, don't want people trying to say we are trying to turn kids queer. Others have a problem with a local shop that sells adult toys having a booth, but in Oregon it is LEGAL for minors to go into that store because there is no nudity at all.


So I guess my question is should we worry about the above things?
 
Um... a Drag contest for kids? Are you high? What freaking numb skull came up with THAT idea?

YES... Fox news will have a freaking FIELD DAY with that. Think about the media storm that resulted from a few kids singing a song about Barrak Obama and then think about how a video of gay adults putting makeup and fishnets on little boys would play in states that are trying to pass hate crimes and gay civil rights laws.

Yes, "they" will say you're trying to make kids gay. Jesus, *I* would think that.

And Um... what does teaching kids how to dress like a hooker have to do with gay pride? And are the kids even gay?

I mean... wow, I've heard some really bad (bordering on intentionally sabotaging gay rights for the rest of the world) ideas, but that's pretty much up there with "taser the elderly."
 
I agree that there should be a more family-friendly environment at Pride celebrations, particularly as there are more and more GLBT families with kids these days... not to belittle or demean the noble pursuit of raising children as a mere fad, but having kids is this decade's answer to brunch.

HOWEVER, I find that people turn into a bunch of nervous nellies when the question of what is appropriate for a child to see or experience is raised. They get all jumpy about whether a child is going to see a sex-shop or porn-company booth at the festival without realizing that children aren't really interested in all that and would rather have a playground somewhere in the festival where they can run around screaming and eating corn-dogs.

I mean, what do they think is going to happen if a kid sees a bare boob or buttock, or a floatful of gym bunnies dancing lewdly? Will it turn him to a life of crime and sexual predation? Hardly.

I saw nothing at the last SF Pride parade that I hadn't seen as a child, I knew that women had boobs and men had penises and saw plenty of both around the house, and I turned out... OK, maybe I'm not a good example. But psychologists will, I'm sure, agree with me when I say that children are not scarred by seeing nudity or sexual behavior; they are scarred by their parents making a big freaking deal out of it so they think it's something more than it is, either scarier or cooler than it should be.

And you know what? If I had to choose between my child seeing and emulating sexual behavior or seeing and emulating violence, I would rather have my eight-year-old bumping and grinding like the guys on the dance-club float than pretending to shoot at someone like the guys on TV.

Wouldn't you?

As for the baby drag contest, that sounds like something a kid could enjoy. It's just dress-up, and kids love dress-up, even boys. Letting a child explore different gender icons in a safe environment is a lot better than making them think there's something wrong with playing around with dresses or fake mustaches.

What Rush Limbaugh thinks about it is irrelevant. He and his ilk will always find something to rant about, it's what they do. And until we can start slamming the media for inciting hate crimes, we just have to ignore them.
 
What Rush Limbaugh thinks about it is irrelevant. He and his ilk will always find something to rant about, it's what they do. And until we can start slamming the media for inciting hate crimes, we just have to ignore them.

I used to agree with that and if you read my first post in this thread I was still saying that.

But even the ultra-liberal Jasun hit his wall at dressing up kids in drag. I honestly don't see what that has to do with gay pride at all.

Mind you, I also think it's inappropriate when straight people dress up their daughters in hooker wear for those "Little Miss" pageants. I guess I thought that gay people were above exploiting their kids for the entertainment of adults.
 
I'd be against kiddie dress-up, too. Not because "oh, no, the conservatives will have a field day with this", but because I can't picture this being an activity that kids will really want to participate in. As any five minutes of watching Toddlers & Tiaras will tell you, it's pretty rare to find a parent of a "dress-up" who is ambivalent about the whole thing. I'd rather not encourage parents of whatever gender or orientation to doll up their kids for public display.

Lex
 
I'm picturing the kids in drag as more of a choice for the kids. Like here's a pile of clothes, have at 'er! If that's the case that can be fun for a child, especially for younger boys if they want to put on a dress and not be made fun of. It's just fun right?

But if it is like a competition and parents are forcing their children then that's not cool.
 
I see room for both. Have a "family friendly" area for the kids and an "adults only" area like they do at LA Pride.

In LA the festival goes on for two days. there's the "erotic city" tent where the BDSM demos and sex toys and such are on display. Then there's the "family area" where kids can do kid's things (but no Little Miss pageants).

There's also the stage where everyone can hang out.
 
This is such a conflict everywhere.

The problem is this. Some people believe that by "acting" like the straight people and "pleasing them" and by that I mean by making things family friendly, by not being wild, sexual, and strange, and by doing whatever straight people do and being normal that someday straights will see the light and decide to give us the ultimate gift of gay marriage and rights.

Well that's just bullshit. The Mattachine Society tried that. At the time they just wore boring old unforms like the heterosexuals wore and marched in an orderly and organized fashion and did not go "YEAH GO PRIDE, WE WANT RIDES" just did simple picket signs. It wasn't until younger guys actually showed the wild, sexiness, and loud side of gays and started the thing called "The Gay Movement" which eventually led to pride that people started to notice that we exist and that we are really everywhere and proud.

But unfortunately the dumb religious nuts also started to get political.

Pride was originally about showing one's sexuality, yes it was adult, and it was all about having fun and being wild. However, I don't believe it was all about sex parties. This is the line that pride can never cross. Becoming a sex party. And that's what people fear the most.

On sunday I saw a hot woofy man in a kilt made of ties. I thought about maybe peeking under his kilt. Than out of nowhere guys started trying to grope him and grab his ass and pull under his kilt. I just asked if he was wearing anything under and apparently he wasn't. But he was a nice guy.

Here is my view on that. What that man was wearing was very creative and very interesting. Yes it was sexual. But does him wearing that give people a right to grope him and molest him? No it does not because it's his body. I think people assume that if they see a twink boy in a jock or something that they can just touch all over. Now maybe some people like that but in general not everyone does.

As for sex shops. Fuck yeah there were sex shops in 2008 and fetish shops. I am sure that the guys in those booths did not allow little kids to go in there or just told them they were too young.

Interestingly enough at our leather booth mothers diddn't go "LITTLE JOHNNY GET AWAY FROM THOSE BIG SCARY LEATHER PERVERTS". We were advertising education of the leather community and support groups.

However, there were often at times bears or kinky people around the booth who would kinda flirt with some of the guys and sometimes there was a little fondling and groping. However it was consensual. The farthest it went to was dry humping.

I also witnessed guys in the park hugging, kissing, and holding hands. I think everyone's limit of how much public affection should be shown and what actually borders sex varies. I have seen some pictures of things such as decadence and folsolm where guys do have sex in the streets. And I'm sure that's the biggest fear of GLBT people, GLBT people who wanna be straight acting, and families.

However, the display of affection such as kissing, hugging, groping, and so forth. As long as it's consensual between the people involved and it's done in the right place than I don't think it's bad. I diddn't want to go around walking and seeing guys wrestling and kissing on the path that everyone walked on. However, if people walked to the grass area or went somewhere more quiet than I think that's a little better.

As for the kids. I am actually sick of hearing that shit. "DRAG QUEEN FOR KIDS". LOL. Let's play the Dildo TOSS. Oh wait but it's family friendly. WE NOW HAVE THE DILDOS WITH CONDOMS ON TOSS. To be more appropriate and safe for families.

XD.

I don't want to see Pride become nothing more than fucking and sucking. And at the same time I was dissapointed that men in my both were acting like some sex driven drunks and sort of took away what I was trying to accomplish. However, I made notes of everyone and everything that happened and that will not happen next year.

I think if a kid walks around the park and sees guys kissing, holding hands, groping a little, people selling dildos, butt plugs, and sees guys in drag, shirtless guys, and leather guys than oh well.

The parents should be more responsible for their own damn kids. Plus depending on kids they won't remember much at their age. I mean when I went to pride when I was a baby and when I saw all the hots guys and the spirit of pride.

That had nothing to do with me becoming gay and going back to pride ;O

I have very mixed feelings about the adult area and family area. I think that's a horrible idea. With an adult area I think that will offer people more freedom however it sort of groups them in a certain area and labels them as "Adults, perverts" and etc. And than they might be more likely to have sex and fuck around. Even if they are away from the little kids who are doing drag, doing karaoke, and playing the condom Dildo toss.

Yes sex does happen at pride. But generally it's somewhere FAR away from everyone else, porto potties where it's not out in the open.

The purpose of Pride should not be to go "Oh hell mr. and ms. heterosexual we have made our event and what represents our lifestyles and us as a gay community more friendly so everyone can join in. But we understand if you never give us rights and always treat us like second class citizens and feel that your god condemns us to hell."

FUCK THAT.

The purpose of pride is to be loud, sexy, drag, leather, wearing next to nothing, going around shirtless, wearing beads, holding hands, kissing, having fun, living, and celebrating.

If families want to bring their kids to pride than so fucking be it. But if the families and kids can't handle seeing guys running around shirtless, drag queens, fetish or sex shops at pride than GET THE FUCK OUT.

Another purpose of pride is to show everyone that despite our gayness and our wild, sexual, or kinky side we still work in an office, work as a doctor to help people, and that we still contribute to the community. But this is another side of us that we refuse to fucking hide and if you don't accept us than that's too bad. Because there are so many more people who are coming out of the closet and so many people who aren't afraid to be out because the world is slowly changing and becoming more accepting.

Plus. Pride has free shit and it's free. Pride should stay the way it is with families and heterosexuals coming in if they choose. But realizing that it's our day and we will (to the extent of the law and pride regulations) do whatever the fuck we want and we will have fun and be so pretty, witty, and gay.
 
A Pride Parade should be the gay community's day to be ourselves out loud. I refuse to censor myself so the suburbanites can come down and have me entertain them. Pride is for US... not for us to put on a show for THEM.
Who are you kidding? Pride is for us, but it is also for everyone else. That's why we take over entire city blocks. It's a public display for all to enjoy- and guess what bud- people do enjoy it. I was in Vancouver for pride, people took their kids to see it despite naked men walking between floats. Did the police care? No, even though they were breaking the law. Did the parents care? Not from what I could see.

Parents could have caused trouble, the police could have made arrests, but they didn't. They understand the importance of diversity and acceptance, but that does not give us an unrestricted right to do whatever the hell we want simply because it's "our" day. We're at the point where law enforcement actually participate in these events and turn the other way when some nudist flaps his penis on the sidewalk. We need to show respect in return, not stick our noses up and say "this is MY day, not yours".
 
Who are you kidding? Pride is for us, but it is also for everyone else. That's why we take over entire city blocks. It's a public display for all to enjoy- and guess what bud- people do enjoy it.

My point is that Pride Day is for US... everyone is invited but we don't do it to impress the straight people in the suburbs.

We do it to celebrate who we are and what we've accomplished. But we don't do it to change the minds of people at Walmart. That's never going to happen.

This isn't a pubic relations day where we should all be on our best behaviour. This is a day when we get to cut loose and just be us for once. If the parents with kids don't want to see naked people, they don't have to come.
 
My point is that Pride Day is for US... everyone is invited but we don't do it to impress the straight people in the suburbs.

We do it to celebrate who we are and what we've accomplished. But we don't do it to change the minds of people at Walmart. That's never going to happen.

This isn't a pubic relations day where we should all be on our best behaviour. This is a day when we get to cut loose and just be us for once. If the parents with kids don't want to see naked people, they don't have to come.
I'm talking about respect and being inclusive. We can parade around naked and have fun and we get away with it, in public. The police let us break the law and walk around with our junk shaking in the wind. Your response, instead of being grateful, is to say what? It's my day, so fuck off cop? It's my day, so fuck off little kid? The minute it becomes a gay-only event, the leniancy we've had to go naked will no longer be there, so I wouldn't have that don't come if you don't like it attitude. The public and the law show us respect when they come out, we should do the same.
 
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