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Oral sex with someone that does bareback

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I am usually very careful about what I do sexually. I have been rather slutty on craigslist lately. I do not give guys random oral and i never do anything anal. Mainly what I do is Jo and get oral.

Anyway, I hooked up with a very hot guy who gave me some intense oral without a condom. I later saw on a post of his that he is into barebacking.

I am afraid that I have now caught something. I know getting HIV is not as risky when you receive oral sex, but I am very nervous. I will be getting tested now and three months from now.

Should I be as worried as I am?
 
Ummm did you swallow? I believe that increases the risk by a factor. And didn't you ask him if he was HIV-positive?
 
^ oh just that?
very low risk but get tested anyway. I believe they test other things as well ... so test everything there is to test about personal health.
 
You're at low risk from receiving oral but that's only a small part of the picture.

Since you're being slutty on Cragslist (the Walmart of NSA sex), you should be getting regular STD testing anyway.
 
On the flip side, does the risk increase if a guy gives a blow job and swallows the guys cum and pre-cum?
 
options said:
There has never been a recorded case where someone contracted HIV from RECEIVING oral sex.
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I didn't catch this comment earlier but it's not correct. There are studies where HIV was transmitted through oral sex.


mbamike said:
On the flip side, does the risk increase if a guy gives a blow job and swallows the guys cum and pre-cum?
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The answer is that we don't know.

The problem with HIV studies is that they are not controlled studies. The data we get is largely from what the subjects of the study disclose. So, if a person says that they never swallowed, then the data is reported as "never swallowed". We really don't know whether they swallowed- only that they said they never did.

We do know that exchange of body fluids is higher risk. So, if a guy comes in your mouth, that's higher risk compared to not letting him come in your mouth. Not using a condom for oral increases risk. But there's not a particularly hospitable environment for HIV in the stomach, so swallowing vs spitting is not going to signficantly going to change what is already a relatively low risk.

Ultimately, it's a matter of whether you're willing to accept a certain amount of risk with oral sex that determines whether you use a condom, don't let him come in your mouth, spit or swallow.
 
i don't have sex with anyone who identifies himself as someone who regularly or even seldom has bareback sex.

yes, some people may lie - but since I have safe sex anyway it is not a problem. and if they ever ask for something else than safe sex, we won't see each other. People have called me harsh and/or unfair - but I don't see why I should somehow "support" or "encourage" anyone who is that idiotic.
 
Corny said:
i don't have sex with anyone who identifies himself as someone who regularly or even seldom has bareback sex.

yes, some people may lie - but since I have safe sex anyway it is not a problem. and if they ever ask for something else than safe sex, we won't see each other. People have called me harsh and/or unfair - but I don't see why I should somehow "support" or "encourage" anyone who is that idiotic.
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OK. Forgive me if I sound a bit niave. I have been hooking up for only two years.

I understand about the safe sex when it comes to anal sex, always use a condom. However, using a condom to give a guy oral sex? That sounds like a real mood killer for both guys. Is it enough just to tell the guy "Don't cum in my mouth!" Then make sure he doesn't.
 
Oral sex without condom and without ejaculation is considered to be "safe sex" in terms of HIV infections.
However - you can get other stuff like that, check out the sticky threads in this forum.
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up. People need to check with the Center for Disease Control and their website and read up on HIV and AIDS prevention.

Some of the "advice" given here is outrageous, reckless and irresponsible. And when it comes from two administrators it has a feel of authenticity.

No health care provider, and certainly not the Center for Disease Control, would ever say that giving a blow job without a condom is "safe sex."

And spitting or swallowing semen is extremely high risk behavior. Letting seminal fluid into one's mouth is not low risk behavior by any means. I'm horrified at the advice given here. Horrified.

Again, folks, if you need information about HIV and AIDS transmission rates and prevention, go get it at the right places, like the Center for Disease Control.

Do not trust anyone on the internet. And that includes me. Your life is at stake here.
 
MeDarrin said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up. People need to check with the Center for Disease Control and their website and read up on HIV and AIDS prevention.

Some of the "advice" given here is outrageous, reckless and irresponsible. And when it comes from two administrators it has a feel of authenticity.

No health care provider, and certainly not the Center for Disease Control, would ever say that giving a blow job without a condom is "safe sex."
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Actually, some of us have read the actual research that is used to prepare the CDC guidelines- either before it was published, during the peer review process, or after it was published in research journals.

During the Bush administration, the CDC updated their guidelines to recommend abstinence as the way to avoid HIV infection. They also modified the guidelines slightly to limit oral sex to use with barriers such as condoms, dental dams or plastic wrap. And there was a lot of pressure placed upon organizations that accepted federal funds to remove explicit instructions from materials and to include abstinence as the recommendation.

Those CDC guidelines are here.

The research supports the statement that oral sex is relatively low risk. There are factors like letting a guy come in your mouth or having open sores in your mouth that may increase that risk. How much of an increase?... well, that's hard to say because we don't really have research that can provide answers to that question. So, it's up to each person to make a choice about how much risk they are willing to accept.

While it would be ideal if everyone were abstinent or in monogamous relationships, that's not realistic for people here at JUB- the world's largest gay porn portal. So, it makes more sense to talk about relative risk. Sure- if you're about blowing guys in public restrooms and the backrooms of bathhouses, a condom is the way you want to go. If you're horny and you sign up for a Craiglist NSA facefuck, you should assume that's going to be a risky encounter and use every precaution possible. But if you're dating and having a much more conventional sex life, you have to make some adult choices about things like condom use during oral sex. Each person has to determine for themselves how much of a risk they're willing to accept.

So, I stand by the statement that I made in an earlier post.

KaraBulut said:
We do know that exchange of body fluids is higher risk. So, if a guy comes in your mouth, that's higher risk compared to not letting him come in your mouth. Not using a condom for oral increases risk. But there's not a particularly hospitable environment for HIV in the stomach, so swallowing vs spitting is not going to signficantly going to change what is already a relatively low risk.

Ultimately, it's a matter of whether you're willing to accept a certain amount of risk with oral sex that determines whether you use a condom, don't let him come in your mouth, spit or swallow.
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any kind of safer sex material/group here advices you to either not let a guy cum in your mouth OR use a condom. and as I said this is ONLY valid as safer sex in regards of HIV.
 
After all of your seeming knowledge and seeming intelligence, it still stuns me that you could stand by this statement:
But there's not a particularly hospitable environment for HIV in the stomach, so swallowing vs spitting is not going to signficantly going to change what is already a relatively low risk.
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This is your guess. I guarantee that nobody from the Center for Disease Control or a doctor would ever say something like that.

You didn't say the following, but I'm also stunned over this statement:
Oral sex without condom and without ejaculation is considered to be "safe sex" in terms of HIV infections.
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Wow.
 
The view from the U.K. regarding oral sex and the risk of becoming H.I.V. by this route is the same as that given by Kara Bulut. This is fact. Not a guess.
 
MeDarrin said:
After all of your seeming knowledge and seeming intelligence, it still stuns me that you could stand by this statement:

This is your guess. I guarantee that nobody from the Center for Disease Control or a doctor would ever say something like that.

You didn't say the following, but I'm also stunned over this statement:

Wow.
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*sigh*

The studies on this go back to the early 90s.

A 2001 study from the UCSF specifically looked at these risk factors.

Or to quote a colleague of mine...

According to one of the country's most respected AIDS experts, these factors do make a difference. Dr. Robert Scott has been treating people living with AIDS since the epidemic broke in the early '80s. He said if a person does not have open sores in their mouth, transmitting HIV through oral sex is "virtually impossible."

"I have over 400 patients who have HIV disease," said Scott. "We carefully looked with those patients at their risk and their transmission has almost always been through either vaginal or rectal intercourse.

"If we could, in fact, get people to use rubbers when there's either vaginal or rectal intercourse, I think that we could stem the transmission of this disease by 99.9 percent," he said.

Scott said swallowing ejaculate would not increase risk, as long as the mucus membrane is intact, because "the acids in the stomach will kill the virus, period."
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I would seriously question that "wisdom" of Dr. Scott. It is not the wisdom of most experts, I am certain.

Anybody swallowing cum is crazy. Even putting a dick in the mouth without ejaculation, without a condom, is risky due to pre-cum leakage.

A person could not even be aware of a sore in their mouth. Flossing causes micro tears in the gums that are undetectable but are enough to invite the virus.

Also, the CDC says it's hard to study the exact effect of swallowing or oral without a condom because there are so many variables like those who engage in that behavior have many times engaged in bareback sex as well.

Bottom line is that HIV and AIDS is out there and the rate of infection is increasing due to prevention ignorance.

To tell people it's basically okay to swallow somebody's cum is not very wise.

But I wish people who do it well. The odds are not all of them are going to make it. A friend of mine recently contracted HIV and he insists that he did not engage in any other sex outside of oral. And he insists he didn't swallow.

Now maybe he's ashamed and is not being totally upfront with me but the fact is he is HIV Positive. Lots of people just keep getting it. And I don't think all of them are getting it from barebacking.
 
I just read that study. No surprise there. They're talking about RECEPTIVE oral sex.

Having somebody's mouth on YOUR dick is a highly unlikely way of transmitting.

But GIVING oral sex and swallowing is another story.
 
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