Out: Shepard Smith and Anderson Cooper Are Powerful Gay Men

[Kulindahr]

Basically, but you made a lot of good points, and the people who are arguing you up and down know that. At the end of the day, we know why they feel the way they do about the issue--and it's really sad. They would have to be honest with themselves first, before they can see this from our perspective. It would be sorta funny if it weren't so sad.

Your blindness is what's sad. You want everyone to conform -- that's the root of your position. You don't see any value in doing anything in a way other than your own. Cooper is being a fine example, just n ot the way you want.

Some of us believe we don't have to march in lockstep. Some of us believe we're in charge of our own lives. Some of us see things in not so narrow a way as you.

Apparently now there is a gay coming out committee and if you dont do all the required actions you are hiding...Could I get a pamphlet please? i don't wanna violate any of the required announcements or condoned behaviors.

Definitely. If you don't do it their way, you're not out. Conform or be criticized.

 

[JNewYork]

Masculine gay men don't care if Anderson Cooper comes out and we don't want every gay to come out too.

It seems to be the domain of the effeminate gays to insist that EVERYBODY MUST COME OUT. (Uh, yeah, as if that is just going to have the world LOVE gays all of a sudden. Wake up. Gays would still be in the minority.)

The effeminate ones are bitter about shouldering the gay label and taking the heat for it so they get very, very mad at us masculine dudes. We don't get the abuse they usually do and that breeds jealousy and bitterness from the queens.

I'm sorry about homophobia and what not, but don't insist that I or Anderson Cooper or anyone else be required to come out.

Put a dress on and do it yourself. Leave me out of it. Don't hate me because I'm masculine.

 

[Kulindahr]

Masculine gay men don't care if Anderson Cooper comes out and we don't want every gay to come out too.

It seems to be the domain of the effeminate gays to insist that EVERYBODY MUST COME OUT. (Uh, yeah, as if that is just going to have the world LOVE gays all of a sudden. Wake up. Gays would still be in the minority.)

The effeminate ones are bitter about shouldering the gay label and taking the heat for it so they get very, very mad at us masculine dudes. We don't get the abuse they usually do and that breeds jealousy and bitterness from the queens.

I'm sorry about homophobia and what not, but don't insist that I or Anderson Cooper or anyone else be required to come out.

Put a dress on and do it yourself. Leave me out of it. Don't hate me because I'm masculine.

SO you're saying they want everyone else to come out because they feel so insecure out there 'alone'?

Hmmm.

 

[JNewYork]

Yes, that's part of it. They feel "Why just me?" and also they feel resentment that the masculine quiet ones (I prefer "quiet" because I find "closeted" to be degrading) are escaping the pain that the open and obvious gays endure regularly.

Well, that's my theory for the gays who not only insist everyone come out, but have nothing but bitter and contemptuous remarks to make about those who choose not to be publicly open about it.

If people want to be out, go to it! Nobody is saying they can't. But I don't like when gays get so nasty because others are not out. I also think the question "When did you come out" to be awfully presumptious. It puts the gay person who is not open on the spot, having to feel he needs to be admonished or defend himself.

 

[Kulindahr]

If people want to be out, go to it! Nobody is saying they can't. But I don't like when gays get so nasty because others are not out. I also think the question "When did you come out" to be awfully presumptious. It puts the gay person who is not open on the spot, having to feel he needs to be admonished or defend himself.

And that's the best possible example: gays doing it their way, not dictated to by someone else. Some want to come out in the media, some want to stand up in a bar and announce it, some want to just let people see who they are.

Younger gays need to see all of those. They need to see that they don't have to fit ANYONE else's expectations, whether it be Tony Perkins of the "Family Research Council" or some self-appointed gay advisor to all.

If I want to be open about who I am in one town, and not in another, that's my choice. If I want to be open to just family, that's my choice. If I want to take out an ad in a paper, that's also my choice.

Think of it as the right to choose.

 

[fetaby]

Masculine gay men don't care if Anderson Cooper comes out and we don't want every gay to come out too.

It seems to be the domain of the effeminate gays to insist that EVERYBODY MUST COME OUT. (Uh, yeah, as if that is just going to have the world LOVE gays all of a sudden. Wake up. Gays would still be in the minority.)

The effeminate ones are bitter about shouldering the gay label and taking the heat for it so they get very, very mad at us masculine dudes. We don't get the abuse they usually do and that breeds jealousy and bitterness from the queens.

I'm sorry about homophobia and what not, but don't insist that I or Anderson Cooper or anyone else be required to come out.

Put a dress on and do it yourself. Leave me out of it. Don't hate me because I'm masculine.

Excuse me for being late to this party. But I just have to chime in here and congratulate you on your superb ability of talking out of your ass.

and taking the heat for it so they get very, very mad at us masculine dudes.

What is this heat? Heat as in conflict? Heat as in that subtle judgement that being gay is somehow wrong?

You think owning up to the fact that you are gay would and should bring "the heat" on somebody?

I'm sorry about homophobia and what not

Then do something about.

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The difference between you and AC is that he's out. He's living his life out. He doesn't have to make a statement, he lives his statement. He is anything but "quiet" about how he is perceived.

 

[fetaby]

Younger gays need to see all of those.

Ummmm, voluntarily not letting people know you are gay. How would the young gays see them?

 

[JNewYork]

And that's the best possible example: gays doing it their way, not dictated to by someone else. Some want to come out in the media, some want to stand up in a bar and announce it, some want to just let people see who they are.

Younger gays need to see all of those. They need to see that they don't have to fit ANYONE else's expectations, whether it be Tony Perkins of the "Family Research Council" or some self-appointed gay advisor to all.

If I want to be open about who I am in one town, and not in another, that's my choice. If I want to be open to just family, that's my choice. If I want to take out an ad in a paper, that's also my choice.

Think of it as the right to choose.

Yes, totally agree!!!

 

[Kulindahr]

Excuse me for being late to this party. But I just have to chime in here and congratulate you on your superb ability of talking out of your ass.

I dunno -- it makes about as much sense as when people automatically call gays who aren't out or who are something besides Democrats "self-loathing".

The difference between you and AC is that he's out. He's living his life out. He doesn't have to make a statement, he lives his statement. He is anything but "quiet" about how he is perceived.

 

[fetaby]

I dunno -- it makes about as much sense as when people automatically call gays who aren't out or who are something besides Democrats "self-loathing".

It?

The effeminate ones are bitter about shouldering the gay label and taking the heat for it so they get very, very mad at us masculine dudes. We don't get the abuse they usually do and that breeds jealousy and bitterness from the queens.

Assuming that an individual who would type ^ that... is "masculine", what gives them authority to state unequivocally the impetus of an effeminate man? That's talking out of your ass....

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I've got no beef with people who are in the closet. I think it's a sad way to live. But I understand why some choose to do it. I was in the closet once upon a time, and had my reasons for being in there. It made sense. But what I didn't do, is start some kind of bullshit crusade against flamers.

As for automatically calling someone self loathing? If they are so quick to call someone something without knowing anything about them, you can also be quick to not listen to what they have to say.

Seriously? "You're a self loather!" ----- Do you even care? No.

 

[JNewYork]

The original post was about Anderson Cooper and the catty, bitchy queenie column on gawker. That was written by one very bitter queen and while I don't believe that type represents all gay people, he represents enough of the "everybody must be out" crowd that I thought I would address those types.

They're a bitter bunch. In fact, that piece could have been written by a gay bashing hetero. That's how mean-spirited it was.

I just thought I'd write about how I see those types of individuals like the one who wrote that piece.

Also, I agree that the phrase "self-loathing" gets tossed around whenever a gay guy has any criticism for the gay community.

 

[fetaby]

The original post was about Anderson Cooper and the catty, bitchy queenie column on gawker. That was written by one very bitter queen and while I don't believe that type represents all gay people, he represents enough of the "everybody must be out" crowd that I thought I would address those types.

They're a bitter bunch. In fact, that piece could have been written by a gay bashing hetero. That's how mean-spirited it was.

I just thought I'd write about how I see those types of individuals like the one who wrote that piece.

Also, I agree that the phrase "self-loathing" gets tossed around whenever a gay guy has any criticism for the gay community.

You just don't quit do ya? And since you obviously haven't bothered reading anything in this thread....

In Anderson Cooper's specific case, we sort of understand why he won't open his mouth and let the rainbows fly. All the guy has ever wanted to do was be an old-fashioned newsman and unfortunately him coming out would make him a part of the story. Every time he tried to cover something having to do with gay civil rights (or Madonna or Fire Island) plenty of people would claim that his reporting was biased because of his sexual orientation. It's not fair: Katie Couric doesn't have to worry when she covers pay inequality for women, and neither does Harry Smith when discussing new medicine that will eradicate baldness.

From the gawker article....

That writer is such a bitter flamer he's damn near a .. what was it? Oh yeah....

a gay bashing hetero.

You know, if you keep talking out of your ass no one is going to want to plug it.

 

[fetaby]

I agree that the phrase "self-loathing" gets tossed around whenever a gay guy has any criticism for the gay community.

So what? Calling someone self loathing is the argumentative equivalent of pulling someone's hair.

If your criticism has a sound basis, it will be heard. The only way the community is to strengthen itself is through criticism.

But it really does beg the question, how much a part of the community can a closeted gay person be? You don't let anyone know you are gay. You shoulder just as much discrimination and prejudice as an out person except you do so in silence.

 

[Kulindahr]

But it really does beg the question, how much a part of the community can a closeted gay person be? You don't let anyone know you are gay. You shoulder just as much discrimination and prejudice as an out person except you do so in silence.

I thought we were talking about Cooper.

 

[fetaby]

I thought we were talking about Cooper.

Then let's bring it full circle. Apply my statement to Cooper. How instrumental and Powerful is he in the gay community? Is his power based off a degree of being out and active in the community, or simply because of wealth and celebrity? Great news! His pseudo-outness is the exact thing you say gay youth need to see....

Younger gays need to see all of those.

 

[JNewYork]

If anybody is talking out of his ass, it's you, who completely took something out of context. The entire article is a snide and bitter attack on Cooper.

I'm not going to waste breath talking to you. You're a bitter queen. Not unlike the author of the Gawker piece.

 

[Kulindahr]

Then let's bring it full circle. Apply my statement to Cooper. How instrumental and Powerful is he in the gay community? Is his power based off a degree of being out and active in the community, or simply because of wealth and celebrity? Great news! His pseudo-outness is the exact thing you say gay youth need to see....

I applied your statement to Cooper -- except it doesn't fit

No "pseudo" about it -- he walks down the street with a BF. Everyone knows who he is.

That's out.

And standing up to "Conform or be damned!" people like you is a fantastic example.

 

[fetaby]

And standing up to "Conform or be damned!" people like you is a fantastic example.

So now I'm conform or be damned?

I've got no beef with people who are in the closet. I think it's a sad way to live. But I understand why some choose to do it. I was in the closet once upon a time, and had my reasons for being in there. It made sense.

What I think is damning is that discussion can't be had. It's all blame game and ducking and dodging.

No "pseudo" about it -- he walks down the street with a BF. Everyone knows who he is.

That's out.

Now answer my question. How instrumental and powerful is he in the gay community? Is it because he's active in the community? OR because he's celebrity and is visible?

But anyway, since you say Cooper is out, he doesn't beg the question.

Further, he's not the champion for closet queens who won't model his behavior. They won't go out and get boyfriends to walk down the street with. So how much of a part of the gay community are they? And how much weight do their concerns and opinions carry?

 

[fetaby]

If anybody is talking out of his ass, it's you, who completely took something out of context. The entire article is a snide and bitter attack on Cooper.

I'm not going to waste breath talking to you. You're a bitter queen. Not unlike the author of the Gawker piece.

Your posts haven't disappeared. Anyone is free to go back and read what YOU wrote and make up their own mind about your opinions. I'm not going to argue your perspective. But I will tell you where from where it comes, your ass.

So lets just do what you would have. Lets just round up all the flamers, queens, and effeminate and kill them.

Now you have no one bitterly telling you to let someone, anyone, everyone KNOW you like to suck cock.

 

[Kulindahr]

Now answer my question. How instrumental and powerful is he in the gay community? Is it because he's active in the community? OR because he's celebrity and is visible?

But anyway, since you say Cooper is out, he doesn't beg the question.

Further, he's not the champion for closet queens who won't model his behavior. They won't go out and get boyfriends to walk down the street with. So how much of a part of the gay community are they? And how much weight do their concerns and opinions carry?

I don't care how (or even if) powerful he is in the gay community, because the gay community is a joke. I've encountered more hatred of gays by gays, and of bis by gays, than of gays or bis by 'Christians'. Then there's the apparently large portion of gays who vote for people who fight for laws to persecute us. And the large portion who claim that if one isn't doing things their way, one isn't out, or a part of the community.....

About the only thing that makes a community of gays is we all like dicks.