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Outgoing gay flatmate

Forgive me, I'm half asleep and probably should have waited to post this. You're a smart man. I'm confident that you're able to deal with these situations. It was naive of me to assume otherwise. It is a failing that sometimes I feel like I know someone when I truly don't.

Oh no fetaby don't get me wrong, your comments about me were right on the money, and I appreciated that you took the time to read and post! Sure I'm smart, but I can also get very stupid at times, that's why I need some kind of guidance. I cannot deal with these situations on my own :)

You're right when you say we are what we are, we shouldn't hide it, and by not hiding it we can even improve our self-esteem (said the closeted man, I know... but that's a phase).

As far as Alex goes, yeah, work talks are super dull, and my work is the most boring ever (I'm a translator). I didn't think about that. The thing is, all of us tend to say little white lies whenever they're needed. If someone talks you about a boring job, the least you can do is pretend to be interested not to disappoint him. Well, that's what I do. He doesn't. He doesn't lie, he doesn't even say little white lies. If you give him an album from a singer he doesn't like, he'll thank you but he'll tell you about it. This is surprising for me, but at the same time it is a breath of fresh air.

Anyway, he came by at lunchtime yesterday to pick up a few things. He was with a friend of his, who is a dancer and will share the apt with him. The guy was very hot BTW like all of Alex's friends after all.

They had lunch together, I stayed with them a little bit and socialized with the guy who was very cool. Then I had to work! LOL No, really, I got the impression they wanted to talk about their own private matters, so since I didn't know any names I slowly faded out. Not a big deal.

When they finished packing his things, I showed them out. The dancer cheek-kissed me and got out the door. Then Alex proceded to get out the door, while holding a few bags, and told me 'Hey I'm gonna text you next time I swing by.. so that we finally talk about the other day you know... :)'. I smiled too and said 'Okay, great'.

Whoa, he remembers. And still he won't chicken out. Today I remembered why I like him. He has this twisted sense of humor, and I love how he interacts with people. That being said, he was as self-centred as ever, he didn't even ask me about my exam even though I mentioned it LOL (and I did not mention it on purpose). I don't mind really, I'm not brooding over anything. I am happy he's willing to talk with me no matter what and that's it. We'll probably have a chat next week. Cool.
 
I don't think he's that self-centered when you just mentioned he remembered the very important thing you said to him. You need to analyze things better, crubbed. ;)

I'm glad you're keeping in touch with him.
 
Oh no fetaby don't get me wrong, your comments about me were right on the money, and I appreciated that you took the time to read and post! Sure I'm smart, but I can also get very stupid at times, that's why I need some kind of guidance. I cannot deal with these situations on my own :)The time will come when you don't, trust. I'm just glad you're smart enough to do it in a healthier way than me. (illegal drugs, I used em to get out of my shell) And the smartest people I know are at the same time the dumbest. :lol:

You're right when you say we are what we are, we shouldn't hide it, and by not hiding it we can even improve our self-esteem (said the closeted man, I know... but that's a phase).Eh, you got it already. And I wantz updatez.

As far as Alex goes, yeah, work talks are super dull, and my work is the most boring ever (I'm a translator). And that's boring? #-o If you're going to tell lil whitey's, say your decoding encrypted messages in Arabic, but it's hush hush, top secret. :lol: But with the advancement of technology, wouldn't that field eventually play out? It can't be too far off that a computer program will be doing what you're doing. I may be wrong, I know nothing of this.I didn't think about that. The thing is, all of us tend to say little white lies whenever they're needed. If someone talks you about a boring job, the least you can do is pretend to be interested not to disappoint him. Well, that's what I do. He doesn't. He doesn't lie, he doesn't even say little white lies. If you give him an album from a singer he doesn't like, he'll thank you but he'll tell you about it. This is surprising for me, but at the same time it is a breath of fresh air. He's a rare breed indeed! Best to interact on the same level, no more lying.

Anyway, he came by at lunchtime yesterday to pick up a few things. He was with a friend of his, who is a dancer and will share the apt with him. The guy was very hot BTW like all of Alex's friends after all.

They had lunch together, I stayed with them a little bit and socialized with the guy who was very cool. Then I had to work! LOL No, really, I got the impression they wanted to talk about their own private matters, so since I didn't know any names I slowly faded out. Not a big deal.Never just fade out, make an exit. Leave them looking at your ass as you walk away, dummy. :p

When they finished packing his things, I showed them out. The dancer cheek-kissed me and got out the door. Then Alex proceded to get out the door, while holding a few bags, and told me 'Hey I'm gonna text you next time I swing by.. so that we finally talk about the other day you know... :)'. I smiled too and said 'Okay, great'. !oops! How exciting! Keep your cool, just do you.

Whoa, he remembers. And still he won't chicken out. Today I remembered why I like him. He has this twisted sense of humor, and I love how he interacts with people. That being said, he was as self-centred as ever, Peacocks are beautiful, no?he didn't even ask me about my exam even though I mentioned it LOL (and I did not mention it on purpose). No comment cause he know's your smart and TCB. Nothing to say. Exercise? Think about what he knows of you, think about what you think he would like to know. This is where your connections will be made. I don't mind really, I'm not brooding over anything. I am happy he's willing to talk with me no matter what and that's it. We'll probably have a chat next week. Cool.

Me too. I'm a 30 year old man that has taken all 30 of those years to get where I am now. It's very exciting to see a young life in bloom. Keep us updated.
 
crubbed is your avitar a rendering of your picture? if so, you are a very good looking, handsome young man.
 
Never just fade out, make an exit. Leave them looking at your ass as you walk away, dummy

LOL!

My job is safe for the foreseeable future, believe it or not computers have a long way to go before they are able to replace me. I'm studying to become an interpreter (not that it is my dream really, but you know, I can make it). It's funny, cause Alex once said that if there's a job he would never do is working as an interpreter.

Anyway at 9.40 pm he texted me. 'I listened to the album today...i liked it ;)'. That was so cool. I replied: 'Hey! I was just thinking about you. Wowza i'm glad you liked it, i thought you wouldn't. you know what, i'm going to listen to it too a little bit ;)'.

Well, it's starting to get interesting. I really appreciate that I wasn't just a temporary flatmate for him. And it's new for me because <gasp> it's the first time I interact normally with a guy I'm not obsessing over. Hell, it's even the first time I don't open a tragic thread in this forum!

Once I saw the text, I was happy, sure, but that was pretty much it. Then I had to do the dishes and... work. I didn't spend the evening daydreaming about him, as I would do in the past.

I'm also realizing that having gay friends is the best thing ever. When I socialized with Alex and his dancer friend, I was in my element. No restrictions, no control freak attitude. I also do not miss my straight friends. I mean, for all this time I always said I didn't want to lose them which is true. But I'm tired of having to lie around them. It's exhausting. I don't even mind that much if someone thinks I'm gay now. It's been a weird journey.

--> Hey spencer. No, I'm not the guy in the pic. I'm quite good looking nevertheless :). Strangely I attract more men than women. I can't complain anyway even though obviously I'm not perfect.
 
LOL!

My job is safe for the foreseeable future, believe it or not computers have a long way to go before they are able to replace me. I'm studying to become an interpreter (not that it is my dream really, but you know, I can make it).Good to hear about the security of the field. Not good to hear that it's not your dream job. I've often wondered if I could be happy just working some random job to pay the bills and let my dreams and desires flourish in the off time. Or if I need to switch gears and follow what's in me heart. I know my answer now, and that is what I'm doing now. if you're devoting most if not all of your time to anything, to the point that it becomes detrimental, what in the hell are you doing? Obviously not what you want to do. I'm not trying to throw monkey wrenches in your life here, i'm not saying to chuck it all and go dancing with the fairies, what I am saying is, take a good hard look at where your life is now. Are you happy? Do you think continuing on with whatever it is your doing will make you happy at some point? It's funny, cause Alex once said that if there's a job he would never do is working as an interpreter. But think of all the interesting people and perspectives you would come in to contact with. That is probably worth more than any amount of money you could get paid.

Anyway at 9.40 pm he texted me. 'I listened to the album today...i liked it ;)'. That was so cool. I replied: 'Hey! I was just thinking about you. Wowza i'm glad you liked it, i thought you wouldn't. you know what, i'm going to listen to it too a little bit ;)'. OOOWww, that's just too damn sweet! Imma get diabetes, that's so damn sweet. Teehee.

Well, it's starting to get interesting. I really appreciate that I wasn't just a temporary flatmate for him. And it's new for me because <gasp> it's the first time I interact normally with a guy I'm not obsessing over. Hell, it's even the first time I don't open a tragic thread in this forum!

Once I saw the text, I was happy, sure, but that was pretty much it. Then I had to do the dishes and... work. I didn't spend the evening daydreaming about him, as I would do in the past. You don't have to dream, cause there is a chance it might actually happen. You just have to open yourself up for it. But be careful, if it doesn't happen you got to know, you just gotsta, that it wasn't meant to be.

I'm also realizing that having gay friends is the best thing ever. When I socialized with Alex and his dancer friend, I was in my element. No restrictions, no control freak attitude. I also do not miss my straight friends. I mean, for all this time I always said I didn't want to lose them which is true. But I'm tired of having to lie around them. It's exhausting. I don't even mind that much if someone thinks I'm gay now. It's been a weird journey.When you were with your gay friends, you don't have to lie, not even lil whiteys. But did you know, that when you're with your straights friends you don't have to lie then either. That's not to say you need to go into what you want to do with that hot hunky bunch of man meat you see, that would be tacky. But you don't have to fear yourself into the closet with what they are going to think. If they are true friends, they won't care if you're gay or straight. Just that your honest, and yourself. And if they don't like ya, fuck 'em up the goat ass.

--> Hey spencer. No, I'm not the guy in the pic. I'm quite good looking nevertheless :). Strangely I attract more men than women. I can't complain anyway even though obviously I'm not perfect.

Our lil crubbie is growing right before our eyes, it's too exciting! Good luck Crubbed, and keep us updated, or don't and go live your life. We're rooting for you.
 
So, for those who still remember this episode...

Last week Alex and I finally talked. It took him 2 months to find the time to talk to me. We hadn't seen each other since September 30.

The week before we texted a lot. And I finally spat out that I had a crush on him and that I was disappointed that he never found the time to see me so that I could confess my feelings to him in person -- even though he kept telling me 'Let's keep in touch, we need to talk!' and stuff like that which made me think big time that he was interested in me as I was in him.

Turns out that he had no idea I had fallen in love with him. He didn't even realize I was gay! [which is a first for me] As I said in my posts, I gave him multiple signals I was interested in him. I wasn't explicit about my sexuality, I wasn't blunt. But who cares? He knew I really liked him, and it's not like straight guys go to such an extent to hold on to another guy. We played the blame game: I accused him of ignoring me, and he accused me of sending mixed signals and not being honest. (well, he had a point)

Anyway, we met. We talked. It was great, I mean we have chemistry. We laughed. It was great. Even better than when we were room-mates. Sharing an apt- it's a weird thing. Because when you're at home you want to relax and be by yourself. If you want to have fun, you go out. That's why sometimes roomies do not really know each other, whereas friends do. It's ironic.

He told me had fantasized about me sometimes. He said he thought he could have the big, fairy-tale romance with me. He said he saw it in my eyes that I was cool, that I was 'serious' about things, and that he could count on me. That being said he's still hung up over a guy he had a brief affair with over 2 years ago (when he was 17). So he's not looking for a mate.

I think that is bullshit. If you find a guy you like you're gonna hook up with him no matter what. The truth is he doesn't like me enough. And that's okay. That's why I told him I would delete his cell number from my cellphone and forget about him even though I love him. I mean, we can't develop a friendship if deep down I want to kiss him and then I get jealous if he talks about another guy, can we? Maybe it is too drastic but I thought it was for the best.

I hugged him, and he hugged me back. I wanted to hold him tight but a part of me still felt awkward about the whole thing, so I pulled back. Still, I wanted to hug him so badly. I'm still regretting not doing that. When we said goodbye, I told him I loved him, and he kissed me on the cheek, but I didn't really kiss him back (dunno why).

Now, the problem is: did I do the right thing? Maybe we should have gone out on a date or two before deciding anything. I'm not a chatty guy when I'm at home. I have tons of other things to do. You get to know me only if you hang out with me and you get to see what I am about, how I react to things and stuff. Plus, I look awful in my pajamas, I want him to see me when I'm dressed up and super hot. Is that ridicoulus? Should I text him again and ask him to hang out 'as friends' one of these weekends? Should I insist? He probably doesn't even have time for another friend, but maybe I should dare more in life.

Plus, take into consideration that I have no other gay friends besides him. If I hang out with him, I could get to know many other gay guys, and maybe one of them might turn out to be 'my guy'. I know that Alex is not my soul mate. I can feel it. We are damn good together. But I don't want to settle for someone who doesn't care for me as much as I do. I just want some human contact. Maybe I like him just because he's the only gay [normal] guy I know. I met one of his friends once, Brandon, and he's crazy about me. He was pretty hot too. Brandon keeps telling Alex to grab the chance and be with me. Maybe we could get to know each other better. Who knows. Alex would open many doors for me, I think. I don't want to pine for him. Still, I want to fit in the gay scene somehow. Oh lordy.
 
Plus, take into consideration that I have no other gay friends besides him. If I hang out with him, I could get to know many other gay guys, and maybe one of them might turn out to be 'my guy'. I know that Alex is not my soul mate. I can feel it...

Really, the key here is for you to make other friends. And to find other guys to date. And to start enjoying being young and everything that comes with it.

Someday you will look back on all this and chuckle because it is very much the classic crush.

And someday someone will have a crush on you and hopefully you'll be as patient and understanding as this guy has been.
 
Yeah, KaraBult, the guy's been a doll. Even when I talked to him about my feelings - I loved how he stared at me. He really appreciated it even if it wasn't mutual. He's quite sweet, he's not the type of guy who would laugh about it or mock me. So what do you think I should do? Was I too drastic? Will my silly feelings fade away even if we hang out together? Or am I feeding the wrong fire?
 
You should move on, find other friends, date and wait until you have a little more perspective on this guy.

Right now, this guy is too much the focus of things for you. That will make for uncomfortable situations for both of you.
 
I think once he dismissed me he kinda stopped being the focus of my attentions -- I still think about him but not as heavily as I did a couple of weeks ago.

Now the question is - can he help me getting access to the local gay scene without causing any pain?

It's gonna be so hard to find other friends. I got to know him because he lived in my same apt, otherwise I spend a lot of time at home working. My uni is full of gay men but I never have the chance to talk with any of them, which is frustrating. There are a couple who are cute and I might be interested in them but, as I said before, we are on completely different schedules. Should I just go to the bars alone?
 
I just read through this entire thread. Being young and having crushes is all a part of becoming an adult. You seem to be a well adjusted man so I would suggest you get back in touch with Alex and see how things go.

He very well may be the best oppurtunity for you to get out and about. If you find that after a few friend playdates, you know, going out with his friends etc, that your feelings for him are getting in the way, well, then you can exit the situation and know you gave it a shot. After all, you just told a 19yr. old your feelings, it will probably take him awhile to process that since he wasn't even aware of your feelings for him. You guys seem to have a wonderful friendship. I wouldn't be so quick to chuck it.
 
We made love

Hey guys, there were some developments...

During these last Christmas holidays, Alex and I texted a lot. We heard each other every day. Take into account that he was the one who initiated the text messages sessions, out of nowhere. The last time we had met was the day where I confessed my feelings and I told him that I would probably delete him from my cellphone and from my life (which I didn’t).

When I noticed we heard each other every day, I started initiating the texts myself.

So, we texted a lot. He was in his hometown, I was in my hometown. He asked me to watch a movie together when we would be back here in the town where we both study. We agreed to meet the very day I would be back (January 11).
Unfortunately, that day he had a fever so we had to postpone. I felt really bad about it because we have a history of him dumping me. Anyway he texted me and he apologized and at the end of the night we even heard each other on the phone, for the first time.

The next day (the 12) he asked me if I still wanted to watch that movie with him and I said yes. I went over to his new place. It was comfy and he was apparently alone. We sat on his bed and watched Almodovar’s latest movie. We even shared a blanket. It was sweet and I was very excited.

Then, he kinda laid down and we started talking about the movie and stuff. I presented him with a picture I had drawn of him, which he really liked since he is so narcissistic. I was so nervous and unsure about what to do. I wanted to kiss him, but I remembered clearly that he told he was not looking for a relationship back in November (the last time we had met). He asked me to move closer, which I was happy to do. And then closer. He noticed I was nervous and told me to stay calm. Eventually he pulled me towards him and I finally kissed him.

We kissed, kissed, kissed. I was enthusiastic. Then we took off our clothes. I told him I was a virgin, and he was very sweet. He’s a top and I agreed to bottom. He has a huge cock and he managed to put him gently into my ass. We kissed, I hugged him. He came twice.

Me? I never came. Actually my penis wasn’t even hard. I mean, it was semi-soft most of the time. When it was hard it wasn’t even completely hard. I do not know why. It’s hard when I watch porn, and I can reach an orgasm if I jerk off. He tried to jerk me off but the top of my penis really hurt me so he had to stop. This thing is really worrying me. Am I impotent?

Anyway we slept together (but I did not sleep at all). When he woke up, he caressed me, he hugged me, he held my hand. We intertwined our legs. I felt his cock was hard so I jerked him off again. I also sucked it, because I was curious to do it. I liked doing it, and I felt no gagging reaction at all. But I did not give him a blowjob, I just sucked it a bit. I wonder if it was tacky or degrading of me in his eyes.

We cuddled a little more, and then we dressed up. We left his apartment (he made a point of not letting his roommates see me) and we took the underground. He went to class and I went back home to have a shower. He told me ‘I don’t know if we can see each other again today… well, maybe tonight’. And I told him ‘Okay, I’ll text you’. (keep in mind, this was the morning of the 13).
So in the evening of the 13 I called him. He sounded a little off… I don’t know. Not like someone who’s talking to the man he slept with. I asked him if I could come over and he told me yes, but that he couldn’t stay up long, ‘cause he had class early the next day. I told him it was okay. A little before I took the bus he texted me and told me: ‘We have a problem… Andrew said he’s coming over…’ (Andrew is an old friend of his who has come to town for a few days). I realized that he did not want Andrew to meet me for some reason so I told him it was okay and that I was going back home. I texted me again and told me ‘Hey, let’s meet tomorrow, now I’m going to grab a bite with Andrew’. I texted him saying ‘Well I have a few errands to run tomorrow but maybe we can work something out :)’.
So, here’s the 14th. I had lunch with my best girlfriend who was leaving for Manchester, and then in the evening I went out with her and a couple friend to say goodbye to her. It all ended very late at night, so Alex and I could not have possibly met. The thing is: he did not text me at all.

Then, January 15 comes. I go to the airport with my girlfriend and watch her while she leaves for Manchester. It was pretty hard, because I love her. When she left, I texted Alex saying I was feeling down and that I needed him. He brushed me off saying ‘Oh… I don’t know if I can today… in the afternoon I’ll go to Brandon’s and study with him, and then I don’t know about tonight…’. I told him ‘Don’t worry… the thing is that I miss you… and I think you know it…’. He did not reply.

He did not call me or text me in the night.

He hasn’t today either so far.

This thing is killing me. I don’t think it’s my place to text him again. But I’m dying to know. Did he use me for sex? Did he not like it? Was it just sex for him? Why isn’t he contacting me? Until the 12 we kept hearing each other every freaking day. Was it a strategy so that he could seduce me? I would ask all of these things to him… if only he were available.

I swear guys, I feel very depressed. It’s not a matter of losing your virginity… it’s a matter to make love, and cuddle and just love with all your heart someone who will stab your back after he gets his booty call. I feel very sick. Words cannot describe my feelings. I keep thinking about those moments. Why did he do this to me? Why is he being so cold? How can he turn from the sweetest guy on earth to the coldest bastard? Should I text him again? Or am I right to wait for him to text me?

Please, help me…
 
He may be thinking you are not a perfect match and doesn't want to hurt your feelings. It isn't that he used you for sex, but honestly, you sound so anxious and nervous that maybe he was put off.

Is there any way you can just relax with a guy? Just have some fun and laugh?

I'm still thinking some serious counselling time would still do you some good to try to reduce the anxiety level.
 
rareboy, you are unbelievable. I do not see what is wrong with this. He was my first guy. I am fucking in love with him and he knows it. He arranged for us to have sex and then he disappeared. How am I supposed to feel?

You always talk as if things were so so simple. I've got news for you - we are humans, we have feelings even when we're not supposed to.

And don't worry about my anxiety, I play it cool when I am with him. I'm still looking forward to what the other posters have to say about this...
 
But that's the point, when you get down to brass tacks - the solutions are usually simple. Motivations may be complex, and emotions. But solutions are concrete.

Whether you want to see that or not is your choice, and whether you want to take the solution is your choice.

You have three options.

1. Stick around and pursue him and hurt yourself worse.

2. Try and be his friend, and angst over not having him.

3. Move on and try to find someone else.

However you feel, those are your choices.

Now you can get mad at Rareboy for pointing this out - but he's not the one in this situation or the one who caused this situation, so channeling your frustration at him, becuase he's telling you something you don't want to hear doesn't help you very much.

Here's something else you probably don't want to hear. Your story is pretty much classic over-commitment. You went from 0 to 100 in two seconds flat. I'm not going into his emotions because he's not here, and your point of view is yours, and you could be totally mistaken, but however that might be, guys who over-commit, scare other guys who don't want to be dealing with all of your emotions upfront. It takes time to engage on that level, time for him to decide he wants to engage you that way.

You were acquaintances, then you talked a bit, but you never dated, and then you went straight to undying love the first chance you got.

That is not a healthy pattern.

I think it's quite possible you freaked him out.
 
I'm sorry, TX-Beau, I'm not taking any blame in this. I most certainly DID NOT freak him out. I told him I had a crush on him in OCTOBER/NOVEMBER. I never ever ever told him I LOVE YOU or I WANT TO BE WITH YOU FOREVER. (even though I do love him)

I told him that I was a virgin, which was honest and the right thing to do, I think.

Even now that he's disappeared, I'm not harrassing him with text messages. I simply told him the other day that I missed him. Big deal. I'm not freaking out anyone. I'm doing things right this time.
 
Well you can get mad at me too, but that doesn't solve anything either, and if you want to get mad at him - so be it. Plus, no one in here is assigning blame. Why would we? This only matters to you - all we are is voices and advice.

All of this however doesn't change anything, and it's quite possible to communicate without saying anything.

He's a 19 year old kid who doesn't know much about anything yet, you're not much older. He's the only outlet you have for all of your feelings - which probably is why you over-committed.

You got your feelings hurt, and got rejected. Such is life. We've all been with the commitment shy guy, the guy who just wants a fuck, the guy who'll lie to get a fuck, the guy who hasn't got his own shit figured out yet, and on and on.

You know what, we all ended up with your choices. So what are you going to do?

You want to know how to get him? Well, no one in here can change his mind - and he never told you he wanted to date you, you should listen to what guys tell you - or don't tell you; and you should listen to how guys behave. If he was that into you, you'd have gotten a lot more from the beginning.

So what are you going to do? You can spend your time from here on out - mad, angsty, and frustrated - thinking that fault on either side is somehow relevant and helpful, or you can do something.

Welcome to being an adult.
 
You're young and presently in love, all bets are off. My first and only love at 17 lasted 33 years, actually it will last until I leave this earth, you might have 10 by the time you're 30. You said it all stating you made love and he had sex. Maybe thats what you need to find out. He probably is not in love at this point but it doesn't mean it can't happen.

Slow down. See him when he texts you again and don't pressure him. He's 19 and you're not much older. Again, slow down and let things happen naturally. If something more is there he is going to let you know. You just have to be mature enough to accept the consequences of hanging around if thats what you chose to do. Good Luck
 
You always talk as if things were so so simple. I've got news for you - we are humans, we have feelings even when we're not supposed to.

crubbed said:
I'm sorry, TX-Beau, I'm not taking any blame in this. I most certainly DID NOT freak him out. I told him I had a crush on him in OCTOBER/NOVEMBER. I never ever ever told him I LOVE YOU or I WANT TO BE WITH YOU FOREVER. (even though I do love him)

Many times in this thread, those of us who have been around for a while have tried to give you advice because we've seen these things play out. People get hurt. People get used. They end up bitter.

The problem here is that when he didn't see you for two months and then texted you with vague comments like "We should get together soon", you didn't take a realistic view of things. You held on to a determination to make something out of this and make more of it than it probably was.

Advice is given in these forums. You're never under any obligation to take the advice. But the people who are offering it here are sincere and they are a lot more experienced in these things.

This is not going well for you. It's not going to end well.

Yes you have feelings but you're taking them out on the very people who are trying to help you. And you're still not listening to what you're being told.

Don't lash out at the people who are here to help. Listen. Ask questions. Take advantage of their wisdom. They have more experience in these things that you.
 
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