Outrage - U.K. sending teen to his death

[Jeimuzu]

Did i say that newbie? No...

Joe?

Stop.

I've stated my point already on this thread, this one is entirely about your post. I'm sorry, but personal opinions notwithstanding, I don't like to see people being berated for being new here.

 

[sb]

so Joe you think gay men should die for no other reason than they are gay if it is illegal in the country they come from?.... what do you think the punishment should be for those who have child pornography in their possession?

 

[sb]

I find your post to be offensive and have reported it. I shall speak no further on this subject.

 

[evil_danger]

joeslifeyork, its not worth it, this is gonna turn into "UK is anti gay" thread number 30, why bother trying to argue back.

I agree with you and I understand what you are saying, and I agree that it doesn't seem like people are actually reading your posts, just rehashing the same arguments again and again.

I find it funny even though there is a war on, with British and American troops being killed and killing... Innocent people in the cross fire, everyone chooses this one guy to be the reason why the UK is so "unsafe".

I value human life, he should not be sent to his death, but at the same time why are people forgetting that this is one guy when, how many have died in this "war on terror" in the last 7 years?

My thoughts are with him what ever the outcome, but I can't believe all this media hype. If it was as black and white as what people on this and countless other threads have made out... well there wouldn't be a case and he would be granted asylum.

 

[SoulSearcher]

Hasn't the UK also participated in other "renditions" in support of the US war on terrorism, transporting terror suspects to countries where they know that they'd certainly be tortured?

 

[Inwood]

However, those points aside, it should be remembered that asylum claims and the deportation of such applicants are not renditions... to class them as such is to demonstrate gross mis-understanding of current affairs.

Fuck me running, I agree with Joe on this point.

 

[evil_danger]

What does the "war on terror" got to do with ANY of this? We should just forget about this one since so many others have died in a totally unrelated issue?...
Its like saying "the six million jews that died at the hands of the third reich are meaningless compared to the 60 million that died during WW2". Is this now a numbers game?

No, if you actually read my post I did say I value human life and in no way was saying its a number game, did I say "oh one more wont hurt?" I dont think so, therefore that wasn't my point. (the fact that you only picked out the "war on terror" comment shows me you probably just skimmed it or at the very least didn't take in what I was saying)

My point is people are making out like the UK is this big bad place because we won't let someone live here, for what ever reason that may be.

British and American troops are out there killing innocent people, even if it's just in the cross fire.

I think peoples perspectives are getting a bit skewed here.

I'm not saying its right to send him to his death (if indeed he would be killed) by any means, I'm simply saying that the whole "the uk isn't a safe place" is highly unfair considering the worlds current state.

 

[Croynan]

I'm hoping they make the correct decision based on all the facts available....

If that means he stays, great... good on him - lets just hope he becomes a useful member of society.

If it means he goes back to Iran... best of luck to him.

However i;m doubtful he'll stay in the UK... the UK has no requirement to re-assess his situation - unless there's new information come to light - i'll put money on them coming to the same decision as before.

I still dont understand his story - it just doesnt make any sense.

i guess we could apply the same principles towards the situation you find yourself in and say best of luck to you.

if what you read in your BBC and The Times has not given you enough information on the cases then you must be one of the most mis-informed Brit. on the island.

of course this isn't the first time you have expressed discontent with the actions of the American Government - but the Brits. government has its own record of inappropriate actions and it is about time you grew up and understood and accepted that fact.

eM.

 

[evil_danger]

I did read your whole post, but saw little merit in opposing everything you said. im not trying to bait you. But i do believe you are the one who is skewing issues by bringing in "the war on terror", since it has nothing to do with this case.

Well I didn't bring the "war on terror" into it as a comparison on the case, I know its completely unrelated, but I used it as a tool to explain my point, I could have used other examples but its late here and thats the best I could come up with. I cant explain my point any clearer than, this is turning into a UK bashing thread, but look there are far worse things going on in the world, calm down and look at what we know... or rather what we don't know.

In my opinion this thread is on its way to turning into another "bash the UK" thread as all the threads on this topic seem to turn into. I was simply saying why bash the uk on not letting him stay here, when our combined troops are doing far worse things. I was simply putting a bit of perspective on it.

I know your not goading me into a fight, I'm not forcing you into one, just simply stating my opinion.

 

[AsianDream]

I do believe that the worst offender by far here is Iran. However, I still agree that Britain shouldn't need this sort of response to even agree to hear the case again.

However, the good news is that they are indeed agreeing to hear his case again when he arrives back in England. I'm just hoping it goes well...

I think you're right that Iran are the real bad guys.

But the British have shown a callous disregard of human life.

Probably if there's enough publicity for this case they "will do the right thing"

The real bad thing is they tried to send this guy back to his death in the first place - and they will probably do the same in future cases as long as they can keep these out of public view.

Iran has murdered 4000+ people for being gay since the present regime took over. Maybe not a big number compared to other mass murders - but more innocent people than were killed in the 9/11 attacks.

I would like to think Westerners cared more about the evil wanton Killing of people than property damage - but I sometimes think they are more worried about the destruction of a few office blocks (however tall) in 9/11 rather than the actual killing of people.

Most guys that post here are different - I hope you share the sheer outrage and anger I feel at the 4000 gay people murdered by Iran

 

[AsianDream]

Several countries execute people unjustly.

We definitely need a worldwide enforced ban on the death penalty.

it is barbaric.

China take note... as they are the worst offenders here.

China and the USA are the two major countries that still impose the death penalty.

In the case of the USA this is only for murder - in China this can include some "political crimes" - but in practice these days is also mostly for murder.

I would like to see the "death penalty" abolished - but there is a huge difference between USA/China and Iran.

Iran kills people for being gay - just as Germany once killed people for being Jewish (though they also killed homosexuals).

In the case of both Iran and Nazi Germany this isn't just a case of occasional "miscarriages of justice" - the whole basis on which they decide to kill people is wrong.

 

[AsianDream]

What's China's record on human rights?


Edit - i noticed Andrew pipped me at the post on the China issue.

Historically China has a bad record - around 70 million people killed under Mao (documented in Jung Chang's book).

A bit further back in history - The UK and USA between them caused the deaths of around 3 million African slaves (they shipped 12 million - 9 million survived the trip).

Germany killed 6 million Jews during WW2 - Stalin killed around 20m of his own people as well.

If any of these "great powers" were still doing the same thing today I would object.

Thankfully all of these countries are now "reformed characters" (with the Germans being unique for having apologised for what they did).

Iran is different in that they are still happily murdering people for being Gay - though not on a real big scale in Historic terms.

If you think right and wrong is a matter of numbers - then maybe only murdering a few thousand innocent people is way less bad than a few million? On that basis most serial killers would be minor offenders - lucky to get beyond 10 victims in most cases

 

[kce24]

Back on Track

More than 60 peers have signed a letter to the Home Secretary urging the Government to halt the deportation of a gay Iranian teenager who faces execution if he is returned to his homeland.

#http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o-halt-deportation-of-gay-iranian-794995.html


Yesterday his MP, Simon Hughes, confirmed his own support for Mr Kazemi. Mr Hughes, the Liberal Democrat MP for Bermondsey and Southwark, said the Home Office had assured him that the case would be reconsidered.

He said: "As Mehdi's British MP, and someone who has been supporting him and his family since December 2006, I am prepared for Mehdi's return to the UK. As soon as Mehdi is back in the UK, I will meet him and his family and make official representations through the proper channels, with the help of the best legal support. The Home Office has assured me that they will then reconsider Mehdi's case."
Yesterday his MP, Simon Hughes, confirmed his own support for Mr Kazemi. Mr Hughes, the Liberal Democrat MP for Bermondsey and Southwark, said the Home Office had assured him that the case would be reconsidered.

He said: "As Mehdi's British MP, and someone who has been supporting him and his family since December 2006, I am prepared for Mehdi's return to the UK. As soon as Mehdi is back in the UK, I will meet him and his family and make official representations through the proper channels, with the help of the best legal support. The Home Office has assured me that they will then reconsider Mehdi's case."

 

[kce24]

For those interested

Victory for Kazemi as Home Secretary halts deportation to Iran


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cretary-halts-deportation-to-iran-795713.html

 

[smirnoff-ice]

reading this i am starting to hope people in us will vote for mccain cause he is the most likely president trying "regime change" in iran.