paranoia and homophobia in the so-called 'truther' movement about the 'GAY AGENDA'

[Mariatenebre]

I am not talking about the 'Arab world' I am talking about Palestine, and Israel occupying palestine. You shout that they--the Jews you love--are not religious Jews-- who you do not like, but atheists? true? YET the whole thing about 'Israel' is connected with the Bible so they believe and promote. About 'God' promising them 'their land'. Of course the orthodox Jews say that the Zionists are total hypocrites and offend their 'God' because 'He' never meant them to do the evil they do, and persecute and commit war crime and genocide on Palestinians, and create an 'israel' like they have etc etc.

Go and tell those affected by the 'chosen people's racism it is 'minute'. OMG, have you suffered it? Where do you even live that you can even assert that?

here is Noam Chomsky's view:


See when you talk about 'Israel', you have to talk about USA/Israel

Thre argument I see you behind goes like this: Palestine is gay un-friendly, because of its religion. This means that percecution of innocent men women and children, committing war crimes on them, blowing them up, taking over and smashing up their homes and driving them into a ghettos where we bomb them by a so-called gay-friendly occupation (though you won't see it as that) is alright because they are homophobic. This makes you blind to the terrible atrocities they do to human beings, including little children who don't even have a CHOICE about anything. they are kids! I cannot condone such a heartless worldview!

Actually Palestine is no different then the Arab world. Black children still sell for 14 dollars a head in Palestine. They don't have plantations there but instead keep Black Boys and Men chained outside of the house like dogs and feed them with a doggie bowl and when it is time to work they take them off the leash. Black Girls and Women are kept inside the house as sex slaves, with their tongues cut out so they won't talk and tell what is being done to them. Also I know that the racism in Palestine and the Arab world is worse against Africans because unlike you I am friends with North African Blacks like Sudanese Womanist writer Kola Boof who has lived in Israel, America, and the Arab world including Palestine and according to her Arab Muslims including the Palestinians are some of the most racist people in the world. This is backed up by other Black North and East Africans like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mende Nazer, Francis Bok, Simon Deng etc

Also the reasons for the creation of Israel had to do with entirely secular means. Of course there was the Biblical prophesy of Jews getting their land back but the main reason was to give Jews back their homeland. Because Jews did not have their homeland they had no protection against discrimination. Plus the Arabs and Romans ousted them long ago even though Israel did have a strong Jewish presence. Even the name Palestine comes from the Hebrew word Plishtim meaning invader. Israel was created again to give Jews back their homeland that was taken from them. Some people saw this as a fulfillment of religious prophesy mainly Jews and Christians but in reality it was created through secular means and Israel is not a theocracy but a secular nation. Also many founding fathers of the Zionist movement were Atheists themselves.

Also Noam Chomsky is full of shit he is basically an Islamophile who bashes the West and Israel and yet big ups Islamic and non Western brutes and is not well liked by ex Muslims. In reality Israel is not an apartheid state at all. Arabs actually live free in Israel and there are even Arab political parties and Arabs serving in the IDF. As I mentioned before Israel has even allowed LGBT Palestinians to come in fleeing from persecution in Palestine. Also over all Israel actually tries to avoid war crimes and civilian casualties. However the Palestinians namely Hamas use people especially children as human shields to protect their weapons and bases and honestly love causing death and casualties to their own people so they can use it as propaganda. As their prophet Mohammad said war is deceit. Israel has also sent tons of aid to Palestine and has constantly sought peace but the Palestinians don't want peace they want the Jews thrown into the sea. This is even in the Hamas charter. When it comes to apartheid Jews are not allowed in Palestine and Hamas forbids Jews owning land in their psuedo state. So if anyone has apartheid it is the Palestinians and considering what they do to Africans and LGBT people they really are getting a taste of their own medicine to quote Kola Bloof.

 

[ludolfo]

What I find even maybe more sad than your [Text: Removed] views which have even shocked me, and which are truly antisemitic is that not one other person in this LGBT forum seems to find any offense about what you are saying or is challenging it! I will just put it down to the preponderance of christians who seem to frequent this particular forum, and how more often than not christians seem to always support Israel

No where have i racially slurred and attacked ALL Jewish people like you are doing the Arabs, including Palestinians, even, in your blind hatred against Arabs, justifiying war crimes against them!

Also over all Israel actually tries to avoid war crimes and civilian casualties. However the Palestinians namely Hamas use people especially children as human shields to protect their weapons and bases and honestly love causing death and casualties to their own people so they can use it as propaganda. As their prophet Mohammad said war is deceit.

That is so disgusting it makes the mouth drop open.
Tries to avoid war crimes...? OMFG. If I murdered your mother, father, brother, sister, child, friend, how can I claim I tried to avoid murder. Crime is crime. Once committed as a crime it is crime because it is against the law and more so is wrong. Saying you 'tried' to avoid it is no defense and is even more immoral! So much more so for war crime where you are murdering lots of innocent people including children and babies (you ever had white phospherous raining down in your neck of the woods?). How can you be so utterly hard-hearted about this Mariatenebre?! I cannot fathom such a cold-hearted outlook.

As a gay person I very know what it is like to be demonized, and through my experiences I have learnt empathy, especially with the aid of psychedelics also. But your views leave me absolutely cold. I am just telling you how I feel. I am ashamed for you. I want you to wake up to your racism! it is a very ugly thing as is being shown by Zionist Israel against Palestinian people, and black people.

 

[ludolfo]

And it is not only this gay person /me who feels this way:

Israel’s gay PR campaign

Israel has begun an aggressive public relations campaign to market itself as an oasis of gay tolerance and democracy in the Mideast, surrounded by “backward” countries where gays have no rights. The campaign is not about supporting queers in Palestine or elsewhere in the Mideast who are resisting homophobia. It is about using their experience of homophobia to promote hatred of Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims – including queer Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims.

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Apparent Source Link: http://queersagainstapartheid.org/gayisrael/

Israeli Interior Minister, Rabbis call for Pride parade to be banned

 

[Kulindahr]

That is so disgusting it makes the mouth drop open.
Tries to avoid war crimes...? OMFG. If I murdered your mother, father, brother, sister, child, friend, how can I claim I tried to avoid murder. Crime is crime. Once committed as a crime it is crime because it is against the law and more so is wrong. Saying you 'tried' to avoid it is no defense and is even more immoral! So much more so for war crime where you are murdering lots of innocent people including children and babies (you ever had white phospherous raining down in your neck of the woods?).

In the case of war crimes, if you tried to avoid it, technically it isn't a war crime.

The question that many people raise, then, is whether Israel can legitimately claim that it's at war. After all, if they're really at war, wouldn't they run all the enemy to the ground and be done with it? If you're not actually at war, it doesn't matter that you tried to avoid some atrocity; you shouldn't be doing military stuff at all.


BTW, the terrorists attacking Israel tend to put installations right in the middle of civilians on purpose -- and that is definitely a war crime.


Too bad we can't wave a wand and make all their weapons go away, and require them to mud wrestle or something instead. Or, to be even more peaceful, a giant game of Twister?

 

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Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy is a No Flame zone.

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paranoia and homophobia in the so-called 'truther' movement about the 'GAY AGENDA'

Basic Overview of Residual Thread Components after cleanup.

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I have recently witnessed homophobia from “truthers”

the truthers I know are not gay

this situation reminds me of the “gay propaganda law” in Russia


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truthers are nutters


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nothing ever changes


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nutters are attracted to truther groups


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I am a gay person

9/11 was a false flag

9/11 relates to Israel and Zionism


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truthers are widespread

science should be used to address truthism

best to take it all with a grain of salt, find multiple sources and opinions


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society is trying to dial back machismo culture for various good reasons

there is some validity to the idea of a gay conspiracy to make everyone androgynous

feminism has merit


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it is standard for bigots to panic when they realize their prejudice isn’t going to be tolerated


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sexism, racism, and homophobia often appear together

classism sometimes also appears with those three


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reference to Scott Lively


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reference to Scott Lively


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video featuring Scott Lively


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remarks about Scott Lively


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Christians and others hate ambiguity

Christianity stole ideas from other mythologies

ambiguity blurs traditional roles of sex and race


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I am gay

anecdotal video


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truthers are paranoid


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interrogatory request for clarification


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introduction of Hanlon’s Razor concept


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remarks about Hanlon’s Razor concept


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interrogatory requests for clarification


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affirmation of previous remark


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challenge to affirmation


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reply to challenge


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affirmation of previous remark


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introduction of Michael Swift as original source of Gay Agenda concept


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various remarks about truther characteristics and history

dispute of 9/11 conspiracy

statement of support for Israel and Zionism


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anecdotal experience regarding truther movement


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suggestion that machismo is different from brutality

mention of ISIS and interest in literary depictions of violent social structures


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mention of Heinlein’s Razor


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personal rebuke of another member

complaint about forum regulations

admission that opening post is based upon 2 anecdotal examples


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introduction of amateur video

understanding the 9/11 conspiracy is key to understanding homophobia, misogyny, un-natural control freaks …

all these ills trace back to patriarchal mythology


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thanks to another member for post


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acknowledgement of another member


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more facts about 9/11

praise to Israel for their treatment of gay people

truthers are anti-Semitic


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right-wing Christians are anti-gay

gay people should avoid conspiracy theories


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anecdotal illustration that truthers are usually Christian and Muslim, anti-Semitic, anti-gay, and anti-feminist

introduction of illuminati

praise of Israel for their treatment of gay people


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Israel undertakes bad actions that supersede its favorable treatment of gays


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the political climate in the Middle East is not Israel’s fault, though they do sometimes make mistakes

Hamas and Palestine do terrible things to people


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general remarks about the Middle East situation


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insulting challenge to another member


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moderator post


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generalized remarks regarding situation in Middle East

introduction of long video


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interrogatory request for clarification of topic

call for moderation in discussion


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statement of hatred toward different religions

substantiation via anecdotal online experiences


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introduction of UK politics

Israel does bad things


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remarks about Israel and Hamas


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comparison of Israel and other Arab Muslim nations

introduction of African situations


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truthers are usually Christian, which explains their paranoia and homophobia


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anecdotal experiences with truthers and their characterization


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challenge to another member

suggestion of a new thread topic


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the roots of all insanity is patriarchal


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challenge to another member

notation that Jewish people encompass a variety of opinions and world views


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statement that orthodox Jews do no support gay people or transsexuals


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personal statement of non-support for orthodox Jews


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statement that Israel’s founders are preferable because they are culturally Europeans – as compares to Arabs


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Israel has a strong western influence from Europe

America forced positive cultural changes in Japan after WWII

the Christian West is a homophobic culture


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book suggestion relating to Japanese culture


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women have a history of leadership in Japan and equal regard for their participation in the culture

women are not treated well in Islamic nations

Christianity and Westernization introduced homophobic attitudes to Japan


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Israel is less racist than the Arab world

Israel has done good things

Israel is less racist than America


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indictment of Israel

Israel is integrally connected to the US

indictment of another member


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Palestine and the Arab world do terrible things

indictment of Palestine

Israel is a secular nation

Israel is good


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Christians always support Israel

indictment of Israel

indictment of another member

I am a gay person


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Israel has an anti-gay faction


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remarks about Israel and its war policies


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moderator notice​