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Pastor Orders Congregation To Attack Gay Couple For Attending

If you continually want to be a victim go ahead.

It doesn't mean I have to go along with it, sympathize with you, or twist news reports to make my point.

I think it's very bad what the father did .... there's just more to it.


I have to agree with Jack Springer on this one. Not surprisingly, Jack Springer is also a conservative so we probably see eye-to-eye on a lot of things.

First of all, what this "pastor" and his "deacons" did is appalling, atrocious and there is nothing "Christian" or Jesus-like about it.

However, the fact that the his own father beat his own gay son (who shares the father's name) and his uncle joined in.........it sounds like to me like a family squabble, where the father took out his anger on his gay son.

I'm not saying that the gay son is at fault in any way. But the news reported that the pastor & his wife were undergoing a messy divorce. So things clearly weren't going so well or stable in that family. Perhaps the father totally lost it and decided to take out his anger on his son & his son's boyfriend. Of course that's not right, but this is most likely not some random gay bashing, but something that might be part of a bigger family squabble.
 
^So you're both excusing the behavior of not only the pastor(because he's going thru a divorce, of course), but the cop for not doing his job as well?

I hope never to meet anyone that dumb.
 
No way am I excusing the guy beating his kid and the boyfriend.

I'm just saying there evidently is more to it and wasn't a "normal" bashing. Not sure how I can say this any clearer.

It's evident to me that the Pastor/father needs some counseling in both parenting and the Bible.

^So you're both excusing the behavior of not only the pastor(because he's going thru a divorce, of course), but the cop for not doing his job as well?

I hope never to meet anyone that dumb.
 
^So you're both excusing the behavior of not only the pastor(because he's going thru a divorce, of course), but the cop for not doing his job as well?

I hope never to meet anyone that dumb.


It is unbelievable, isn't it?

Anything to take the conservative 'blame the victim' view.

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It does not matter if the people involved knew each other or are family.

The issue at hand is that a man of "god" ordered other men of "god" to beat a homosexual couple.

You can try to distance yourselves from what happened. Make excuses for their behavior. Cast aspersions about the person who brought us this news. Down play the incident. Bring in the Muslims.

None of that changes what happened, and why it happened.

And for anyone thinking fundie Christians aren't on the same level as Muslim extremists, one only needs look as far as Uganda.
 
Beating people up isn't okay.

It's so simple.

...but I guess some of us are soooo simple they will rationalize assault...
 
How am I not surprised this happened in Tennessee. #-o There is a reason I never go over state lines into that shithole of a state, this is only one of them.




Yet another example of Jesus's all encompassing love. :rolleyes:
 
No way am I excusing the guy beating his kid and the boyfriend.

No, you were just suggesting that, despite the fact that this man ordered a violent attack on his gay son and his partner, he may not actually hate gay people. :rolleyes:

Because... as we know, homophobia would never be a problem for a conservative religious man. :rolleyes:
 
I always find it disturbing when supposed homosexuals always immediately leap to the defense of the homophobes, the bashers and the haters.

Frankly it makes me think more than ever, that the religious right and the RNC are so concerned about the potential influence that this site has, that they keep a room full of operatives busy making sure that the homos always have to keep fighting against the same ignorance and structural bigotry while they work like little elves to spin every story to defend the indefensible.

And what is even more offensive as I read the responses from our resident apologists is the 'on one hand I decry what was done...but on the other hand...fag probably had it coming' kind of language.

For once

For the love of Christ

or for the non-christians

For the simple fact of agreeing with those who are rightfully appalled by an injustice

Just fucking one time

Could Jayqueer and Jack Springer

Just agree with the rest of the guys on these boards.
 
Someone (I forget now who) said that religion makes good people better, and bad people worse. Whether you agree or not, the remark does certainly contain a grain of truth. In this particular story, the pastor is definitely a bad person - as indeed, I believe, are most (if not all) fundamentalists, who look to religion not to help their fellows, but to prop up their misinformed and narrow views. It is a terrible thing when one of these mindless nutters gets into a position of power (such as being pastor of his church) and uses his position to influence others for the worst.

I can't imagine myself how it's even possible for a father to turn on his son like this, but then I can't imagine a lot of things (such as being a fundamentalist, for example).

I would advise the son, if I could, to simply leave. With a poisonous father like that, why would he stay?

-T.
 
Someone (I forget now who) said that religion makes good people better, and bad people worse. Whether you agree or not, the remark does certainly contain a grain of truth. In this particular story, the pastor is definitely a bad person - as indeed, I believe, are most (if not all) fundamentalists, who look to religion not to help their fellows, but to prop up their misinformed and narrow views. It is a terrible thing when one of these mindless nutters gets into a position of power (such as being pastor of his church) and uses his position to influence others for the worst.

I can't imagine myself how it's even possible for a father to turn on his son like this, but then I can't imagine a lot of things (such as being a fundamentalist, for example).

I would advise the son, if I could, to simply leave. With a poisonous father like that, why would he stay?

-T.

Unfortunately the situation is more complicated than that.
 
Rareboy, [Text: Removed by Moderator]

You are not looking at the whole case -- I realize it's hard since it wasn't fully reported.

I'm not apologizing for anyone -- wherever you get that, I don't know.


I always find it disturbing when supposed homosexuals always immediately leap to the defense of the homophobes, the bashers and the haters.

Frankly it makes me think more than ever, that the religious right and the RNC are so concerned about the potential influence that this site has, that they keep a room full of operatives busy making sure that the homos always have to keep fighting against the same ignorance and structural bigotry while they work like little elves to spin every story to defend the indefensible.

And what is even more offensive as I read the responses from our resident apologists is the 'on one hand I decry what was done...but on the other hand...fag probably had it coming' kind of language.

For once

For the love of Christ

or for the non-christians

For the simple fact of agreeing with those who are rightfully appalled by an injustice

Just fucking one time

Could Jayqueer and Jack Springer

Just agree with the rest of the guys on these boards.
 
The thing that bothered me the most reading the article, that the one who called for the attack was one of the couple's Father. That is your flesh and blood and THAT'S how U treat it? Shame.
 
Rareboy, [Quoted Text: Removed by Moderator]

Hating evil does not by and in of itself make someone full of hate. I applaud Rareboy's unwavering non-compromising stance against God and Christianity, two of the most prolific evils plaguing our world today.

The fact that a father can turn against his son like that on the grounds of a baseless fairy tale book is most troubling. What's even more troubling is that society protects and defends monsters like that father and the pastor.

Enough is enough!
 
You are not looking at the whole case -- I realize it's hard since it wasn't fully reported.

I'm still having trouble following your hypothesis. The father did the very bad thing not because he was a homophobe.

The father did the very bad thing because he: _________________________________________________. (what?)
 
How can the pastor love his neighbour as the Bible commands when he can't even love his own son?

Just a thought.
 
.......... because he wasn't a good father to is son. He never should have done what he did in front of everyone -- he should have been a good father -- talked with his son, been understanding.

The father's outburst and using his congregation to get back at his son was not right. No matter what the situation the father's actions were not correct.

I have to say again ... we don't have the story ... there has to be more to it.

The pastor set a very poor example to his congregation. I doubt that he will continue to be their pastor after all this settles down.

I'm still having trouble following your hypothesis. The father did the very bad thing not because he was a homophobe.

The father did the very bad thing because he: _________________________________________________. (what?)
 
No way am I excusing the guy beating his kid and the boyfriend.

I'm just saying there evidently is more to it and wasn't a "normal" bashing. Not sure how I can say this any clearer.

It's evident to me that the Pastor/father needs some counseling in both parenting and the Bible.

This is nonsense. I can't believe you are really serious. Are you just trying to stir things up?
 
.......... because he wasn't a good father to is son. He never should have done what he did in front of everyone -- he should have been a good father -- talked with his son, been understanding.

The father's outburst and using his congregation to get back at his son was not right. No matter what the situation the father's actions were not correct.

I have to say again ... we don't have the story ... there has to be more to it.

The pastor set a very poor example to his congregation. I doubt that he will continue to be their pastor after all this settles down.

Jack Springer, I agree with you 100%.

The rest of you guys, are you freakin' kidding me? Both Jack Springer and I strongly condemn this so called "pastor" for what he did to his son.

But this is not your run-of-the-mill gay bashing. These were not some strangers who targeted this guy & his boyfriend. This was the guy's own father & uncle, both of whom have known this guy for his entire life, since he was born.

Even the most anti-gay people don't usually resort to physical violence against their own children. Yes, they may subject their gay children to emotional abuse, or threaten to disown or kick them out of the house, or they might actually go through with disowning their children & kicking them out of the house. But even the most heartless and atrocious of people usually have some sort of a "soft spot" for their own children -- especially when their son shares their same first & last name.

Yes, the father and uncle & all else involved should receive jail time for physically assaulting the son. But a jury will want to know more information surrounding the circumstances of this incident.

And that's why we need to know more information. There is obviously some kind of horribly dysfunctional relationships in this family. A jury will want to know the history of this father-son relationship. Has the father beaten or threatened the son before? How was the father's reaction when his son "came out?" On the son's side, a jury will want to know why the son & the boyfriend went to the church parking lot in the first place, especially if the son knew how strongly anti-gay his father & the church was.

Jack Springer & I both agree that the father,, uncle, and everyone else involved in assaulting the gay guy & his boyfriend should face severe legal consequences. But we need to know more information regarding the circumstances of this event.

If you can't understand that, please don't serve on a jury.
 
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