Path of the Green Man

[Green_Man_007]

Then there are the "demonists" and Luciferians (not Wiccans) who are conscioius of the supernatural powers they choose to dabble with, .but have too much arrogance to see danger in their thrills.
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That is an interesting distinction. Like I said, I don't know much about Wicca.

Whereas real Satanists are actually atheists (believe in neither God nor Devil), LUCIFERIANS do worship an incarnate Devil, practicing black magic to conjure him for gaining material favor.

Demonists are like Luciferians, but not as committed to bringing the "end game" of destroying the Chrisitan god's hold upon Earth.

Wiccan theology has no incarnate "Supreme Evil," but only Nature's Goddess and Her consort God, who are Mother and Father of all creation. Judeo-Christians invented the Devil as an adversary to the Judeo-Christians' God, after the Babylonian captivity exposed them to the Zoroastrians' dualistic theology.

Modern Wiccans do acknowledge, though, that mundane evil exists as a result of humanity's mundane actions --- done by our intelligent, free will. Our species suffers from consumer excess and the capacity to murder for sport

Most Wiccans also acknowledge that supernatural evil exists as a result of people's supernatural actions for evil purposes. Their spells can build a thoughtform, a fetch, a wraith, an egregore, or even an etheric ushabti or golem; and whatever its strength and purpose, their masters generally don't program them to dissolve on its own.

In the case of being the vicitm of a personal psychic attack --- which can happen to anyone --- Wiccans deal with it by drawing on Nature.

(I, on the other hand, not so "playing nice" like an orthodox Wiccan, have a background in ceremonial magic, and my talismans "throw down gangsta" against routine menaces around my home.)

 

[Marbas]

Whereas real Satanists are actually atheists (believe in neither God nor Devil), LUCIFERIANS do worship an incarnate Devil, practicing black magic to conjure him for gaining material favor.

No. Most 'Modern-day 'Satanists' (post LaVey, COS, etc) are usually (but not always) atheists; 'Traditional Satanists' (ie, those who follow the much older European Tradition) are theistic/anti-theistic. There are also two main types of 'Luciferians'; the moderns (atheistic) and the trads (theistic), plus a whole host of other varieties with different beliefs.

Satanism and Luciferianism are much like Christianity and Wicca really, in the sense that there are multitudes of differing, and often opposing, traditions.

Demonists are like Luciferians, but not as committed to bringing the "end game" of destroying the Chrisitan god's hold upon Earth.

Not strictly true, the average 'Daemonist', 'Daemonolater', or 'Daemonologist' works within a highly Christian, Judaic, or Islamic framework and is usully totally dependant on the inherent power structures found within those three monotheistic religions. Most practioners have no real interest in 'destroying the Christian god's hold upon Earth' as they tend to believe that it is ultimately from that particular 'god' (or the Judaic or Islamic version) that the 'demons' derive their power.

Of course it's perfectly possible to work many of the rites derived from these traditions (Goetia, for example) without buying into any of the clap-trap that generally surrounds them - 'belief shifting' is a remarkably powerful spiritual tool.

I should point out that I am neither a Satanist nor a Luciferian, all I usually say on JUB is that for the past 25+ years I have followed a so-called 'Left Hand' spiritual, but not religious, tradition.

 

[Green_Man_007]

Beyond generic, Wikipedia-style blurbs most of what I know about the Temple of Set as well as Luciferian philosophy surrounds their entanglements in the Paul Bonacci & Johnny Gosch kidnapping/sex-slavery matter, via the incriminating statements against (former Lt. Col.) Michael Aquino, along with the Bohemian Grove's pedophile decadence.

Overall, I get the impression of the temporally-strong exploiting the temporally-weak, by all efficient means necessary, as long as it serves their goals for temporal power.

In a way, I pity them, and in no way do I envy their monetary wealth and elitist position versus comprehending the way toward balance with one's Self and Nature.

Newton's Laws of Motion have a habit of surfacing in all actions physical and magical.

 

[fivestar]

I enjoy Michael Thomas Ford's writings in general, but found "The Green Man" to be a little rambling. Still, there's not a lot out there specifically about being both gay and Wiccan. So, I applaud his effort.

QFT

I am a gay unitarian pagan. My personal religious philosophy contains elements of Wicca, Buddhism, and a little Discordianism thrown in there for kicks fnord.

Anyways...
Green man said a lot of what I was going to say, so this will be cut short.

I will say that I'm glad that I'm not the only gay pagan. I'm sure the only one I've ever met in real life. If anybody has any questions about the Craft, I'm sure that we'd be happy to answer.

 

[Soilwork]

I'm reading that book again. I tend to pick books like that up and put them down.. I think I'm reading about 8 books on Wicca right now.

If I'm really going to follow all of this, I'm going to have to be a fuck of a lot nicer to people and stop chasing my staff with the staple gun at work.

Balls.

 

[RobbyIsTehCool]

Peter Carrol and Uncle Al are my heroes.

The philosophy you folks touched on in this post was deep, I wish I had joined earlier then just now, I would have been thrilled to have been a part of it.

 

[Soilwork]

we can still be a part of it.

Honestly, as I read that book I'm seeing SO many things that are in need of addressing in my life.

I'm not sure where this is leading, but it's going to be an interesting journey, anyway.

 

[RobbyIsTehCool]

Your in Hollywood. Stop by Panpipes Magickal Marketplace if you want to find some really interesting books, and people.

 

[ludolfo]

I am not a wiccan...maybe u can say i am pagan if u keep the definition to countrydweller. in that i feel close to nature

i understand the Greenman to symbolize Nature and the masculine erotic nature, in both its fertilizing and sensual aspects

the greenman is synonymous with the Horned God, lover and consort of Goddess/Nature and spirit, and also the sacred mushrooms which awaken this deepening sensuality and interconnectedness with Nature and whole universe. there is really no separation between Nature and universe. the patriarchs split those concepts

the elitists Luciferian cults tend to adhre to a fasle juadaic christian concept of 'God' who they rebekl against with their appropriated idea of the god of Nature/ the Serpent

I distrust magick as it has come down from the western magical tradition--via heretical zoroastrianism traditions. because its use tends to create a paranoia about nature, other people, and can lead to arrogant egoic attitudes

 

[RobbyIsTehCool]

I believe in good and evil, I really do. I believe for practical purposes though, its really inconceivable to man. For this reason, I at least choose to live in the assumption that while there may be evil and good in a person, its best to just accept them and take them as they are without labeling their parts either of the two.