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Kulindahr said:
The sleight of hand rule says any time a politician does something to get the public's attention on something, he/she is aiming to distract the public from something else.

What's Obama up to?
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The speculation was to push Santorum off the subject of the economy and into social issues, dragging the Republican focus with him. The Republicans can't win on social issues and he knows it.
 
Stardreamer said:
The speculation was to push Santorum off the subject of the economy and into social issues, dragging the Republican focus with him. The Republicans can't win on social issues and he knows it.
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Ah -- sucker maneuver.

But if that's true, he should have saved it, meanwhile doing something to make Romney look stupid.

Like, deliver a speech about health care and tweaking the 'Obamacare' act, including profuse thanks to Romney for inspiring it. :D
 
chance1 said:
Viagra is treatment for a malady - a potential cure for you know

Contraception is not

As Bill O'Reilly referenced in the clip

Watch it - it's the basis for the thread
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You've lost the argument.

Viagra is covered by medical insurance. It is used so men can continue to have sex and has other health benefits. Contraception is used so women can continue to have sex (without getting pregnant) and has other health benefits. To say there is a difference, is incorrect.

Even from a social conservative perspective, providing contraception to women reduces unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion. Less abortions will happen.
 
What in the Constitution gives the US the power to require employers to buy insurance or contraceptives for employees? Nothing. It doesn't. But it does guarantee freedom of religion.
 
Just_Believe18 said:
You've lost the argument.
Viagra is covered by medical insurance. It is used so men can continue to have sex and has other health benefits. Contraception is used so women can continue to have sex (without getting pregnant) and has other health benefits. To say there is a difference, is incorrect.
Even from a social conservative perspective, providing contraception to women reduces unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion. Less abortions will happen.
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Lost ?
The argument is simply
Viagra is to TREAT a medical condition that exists
Contraception is not treatment rather prevention of something that might occur without it
Try again

And PS - as a practical matter I have agreed with JayHawk that I can see the economics of prevention - please do read the thread better
 
Actually, the pill TREATS irregular periods at the very least, and other things if I recall correctly.

Benvolio, are you cool with a straight man's religious freedom to bash your head in with a bat? I am definitely not.
 
Come on, people -- if there's a medical benefit, it should be covered, regardless of what else it's for.

Heck, people use Paxil to get high -- should we stop paying for it?
 
I don't give a good god damn about "...other medical reasons..." What we're paying for - and ONLY if the woman is on medicare, is to minimize unwanted pregnancies and kids that we will then continue to pay for.

Hell, give the stuff out for FREE!
 
Now whether you want to argue about private insurance carriers being required to cover contraception, that's another thing entirely.

And if yes, that still doesn't mean that some private organization is being forced to condone it.
 
Just_Believe18 said:
You've lost the argument.

Viagra is covered by medical insurance. It is used so men can continue to have sex and has other health benefits. Contraception is used so women can continue to have sex (without getting pregnant) and has other health benefits. To say there is a difference, is incorrect.

Even from a social conservative perspective, providing contraception to women reduces unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion. Less abortions will happen.
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Pregnancy is not a disease.
 
chance1 said:
Lost ?
The argument is simply
Viagra is to TREAT a medical condition that exists
Contraception is not treatment rather prevention of something that might occur without it
Try again

And PS - as a practical matter I have agreed with JayHawk that I can see the economics of prevention - please do read the thread better
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You mean the primary medical condition where men can't get an erection to have sex? Yes, exactly. And I'm talking about the primary medical condition where contraception allows women to have sex without getting pregnant. When the treated condition is the continued practice of sexual intercourse, there is no difference. Furthermore, both Viagra for men and contraception for women contains other important health benefits that treats various other medical conditions. I don't know about you, but if I could take a pill that could keep my vagina from bleeding every month, I'd take it, even if I wasn't having sex. However, the difference between the two is that Viagra is universally supported in being covered by health insurance, whereas people are having problems accepting the same medical right being extended towards women.

I would be wary of being snarky in making the attempt of criticizing others' reading skills of a thread as I did read all of your replies. You're going to need to quote where you "have agreed with JayHawk that I can see the economics of prevention" as you were not clear at all where.
 
A bit off topic but JB18 I would pay you for sex....



But you wouldn't take a dime.....

He did agree in the first page with me on that point. I see no reason to keep churning out unwanted needy kids that have the net effect of draining society.
 
Btw, to everyone who says condoms should be free too - they already kinda are. There are so many places you can get free condoms in every city in America...

Anyway, pregnancy is not a disease. I am very happy that we established that. I think we should just follow the Catholic church on this - NO contraception and no talk of contraception, NO abortion. If you don't want a kid, the only thing you can do is stay abstinent...
 
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