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Peaceful Religion of Islam? Not.

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Woman files for divorce. Husband beheads her.
Husband founded program in 2004 hoping to portray Muslims in a more positive light.

And you thought this stuff only happened in the Middle East?

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html


Excerpt:


Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.

Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
 
Drewsuf, that story is crap from the first sentence: the superiority of any race whatsoever is not a Christian belief.

That the article says so identifies it as a piece of propaganda designed to arouse enmity, if not hatred.

Note that the CNN article is from an actual news source, and it mentions nothing of the "Christian fundamentalist" or "Aryan" accusations.

That tells me those items were fabricated for the purpose of being inflammatory.
 
A point with substance, to get away from the propagnada:

there is no Christian teaching that says go slaughter your enemies -- it's just not in the Book; on the other hand, as anyone who's seen the brief movie Fitna knows, the Koran has passages urging virtually indiscriminate slaughter.
 
there is no Christian teaching that says go slaughter your enemies -- it's just not in the Book; on the other hand, as anyone who's seen the brief movie Fitna knows, the Koran has passages urging virtually indiscriminate slaughter.

Kul since we all know that in the past christians have slaughtered their enemies (mostly other christians oddly enough) does it really matter that its not in their book while it may be in the Koran?

Whats the important point here that the book allows it or that the act was done and done in the name of God?

Christianity is about 650 yrs older than Islam and 650 yrs ago christians had yet to even start on killing those they considered infidels.

Maybe islam just needs time to mature.
 
As the world's fastest growing religion, Islam increasingly becomes the religion of third world countries-- poor places with huge undereducated populations.

Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the world.
Buddhism and other religions purely in percentages show that Islam is not the fastest growing religion. Islam grows namely through it's followers multiplying by way of having babies. They are encouraged to have large families and most often Muslims do have large families.

A quasi-political form of Islam that is not unlike the neo-Nazi movement among certain disenfranchised segments of the west has developed.

I must correct you: this "quasi-political form" of Islam has existed since Islam's began over 1300 years ago. Islam IS strictly a political cult with religious overtones.

It is violent and angry in nature. Its leaders themselves are often unsophisticated and undereducated. And misguided. The results are frightening.

This does seem quite accurate, though I would disagree that Islamic leaders are undereducated. Today's Islamic leaders, especially in the west, are highly educated and using western education/technology, etc., against us in order to defeat us.

But it is true that Islam has never undergone a reformation and modernization like Chrisitanity. Only Islamic leaders and scholars can encourage and foster such a movement. The sooner a modern Islam repudiates a middle-Ages Islam, the better.

Christianity came about non violently. Look at Jesus and his ways.
It was AFTER he was long gone that some Christians became violent, and this violence Christianity was associated with the crusades --- and the crusades were in direct response to aggressive islamic onslought throughout western Asia (turkey today), Northern Africa and Southern Europe and the access to the "Holy Lands".

Now, for Christianity to "reform", it wasn't necessarily a "reformation" so much as it was a return to Fundamental JESUS teachings. So, to counter, Christianity didn't "reform", rather it turned it's back on violence and returned to fundamental peaceful Jesus teachings/ways.

We cannot, nor should we expect, the same with islam.

Islam is serious brainwashing, violence, hate, deceit and mass killings. And all of this was instilled into Islamic followers by the "prophet" of Islam Muhammad.
When a Muslim kills someone because they left Islam, rejected Islam or because they were deemed an enemy of Islam, they only do what their prophet did and taught them to do.

That is the fundamental problem with islam and unfortunately, this will not change.

No matter how much leftists think Islam can change, it can't because of the serious rotten teachings at it's core.
 
There is so much racist shit here in this post im horrified more people didnt call this guy on his shit. There is good and bad in everyone. I've met people of the Islam religion and they were very nice people.

I do feel some men do abuse their wives but thats because they take the religion too far. Women who keep faces covered feel SORRY for non-masked women. They feel lucky because their husband will LOVE them for who they are on the inside. They pity women in America because women have to put on make-up and rely on looks to attract men. You gotta look at both sides.

Look at the Republican Christians in America who condemn homosexuality and who use the bible to justify their prejudices towards other people to feel better about themselves. If anything the only group that should be hated are conservative white people for that matter because some can see it this way.. those are the only people that really start shit.(Holocaust, Crusades, Confederate War, Treatment of native Americans at time of early settlers in America..)
 
Christianity came about non violently. Look at Jesus and his ways.
It was AFTER he was long gone that some Christians became violent, and this violence Christianity was associated with the crusades --- and the crusades were in direct response to aggressive islamic onslought throughout western Asia (turkey today), Northern Africa and Southern Europe and the access to the "Holy Lands".

jkt long long before the Crusades and the birth of Islam the Catholic Church, which at the time was christianity, engaged in violence whenever it suited their purposes.

Much like Islam and Israel today once you unite state with religion you'll notice much violence perpetrated in the name of God.

I don't know if you have been brainwashed or are just unaware of early christian history but once the christians obtained control of what was left of the Roman Empire they did all they could to defend it and kill those who opposed them as apostates.

In the name of preventing fragmentation and maintaining power and unity the church routinely put down rebellions in Syria, Egypt, Asia Minor and north Africa which mostly desired local independence and liberty.

And they didn't do it in the name of the state but in the name of God.

Whenever you combine state and religion its the former that corrupts the latter and thats true for christians as well as muslims.

Today Islam has yet to shed its state appendage which christianity has.......maybe thats why it looks so peaceful to you.
 
This is another pointless exercise for the right-wing biggots on this site to not-so-subtely infer that all muslims are pre-disposed to violence toward unbelievers, then conveniantly deny it when they realise that thier blanket prejudice is a bit more apparent than they originaly intended. Plus this has already been posted. As someone posted on the previous thread on this subject, beheadings are always that bit more horrifying when it's a brown person doin' the choppin', aren't they?
 
Yawn.

We get it. Muslims are killing. It isn't anything Americans didn't do for two centuries. If Americans can progress, why can't Muslims?

This is another pointless exercise for the right-wing biggots on this site to not-so-subtely infer that all muslims are pre-disposed to violence toward unbelievers, then conveniantly deny it when they realise that thier blanket prejudice is a bit more apparent than they originaly intended. Plus this has already been posted. As someone posted on the previous thread on this subject, beheadings are always that bit more horrifying when it's a brown person doin' the choppin', aren't they?

*standing ovation*

You hit the nail on the head. There's ZERO balance. There isn't one single thread about Muslim peace activists who risk their lives to promote peace. My only grievance is how people pretend to care about the victims when really they just wanna scream "Look, more brown people are killing!"
 
Which peace activists exactly? The people who shouted "Hamas, Hamas alle Joden aan het gas!"* in The Netherlands?

YOUNG Muslim activists launch global peace moment

Just four days before President Barack Obama’s inauguration in Washington, D.C., on January 20th, an international group of young Muslim activists gathered in Doha, Qatar, to launch what they described as a global Muslim movement for peace, justice and the common good.

Young Muslim leaders gathered from around the world to spark social change in their communities and advocate improving relations with the United States.

Doing more for peace than just posting articles about beheadings.

I wasn't aware muslims were brown, or even that they were a race.

I didn't say they were a race, but don't feign ignorance, most people associate Muslims with brown skin. How many JUBers can name a white Muslim?
 
… most people associate Muslims with brown skin. How many JUBers can name a white Muslim?


Are not Muslims believers or followers of Islam? As such, I think it is quite likely that there are caucasian converts to that religion.
 
jkt long long before the Crusades and the birth of Islam the Catholic Church, which at the time was christianity, engaged in violence whenever it suited their purposes.

Much like Islam and Israel today once you unite state with religion you'll notice much violence perpetrated in the name of God.

I don't know if you have been brainwashed or are just unaware of early christian history but once the christians obtained control of what was left of the Roman Empire they did all they could to defend it and kill those who opposed them as apostates.

In the name of preventing fragmentation and maintaining power and unity the church routinely put down rebellions in Syria, Egypt, Asia Minor and north Africa which mostly desired local independence and liberty.

And they didn't do it in the name of the state but in the name of God.

Whenever you combine state and religion its the former that corrupts the latter and thats true for christians as well as muslims.

Today Islam has yet to shed its state appendage which christianity has.......maybe thats why it looks so peaceful to you.


why it seems you leftists are so offended to associate violence with Islam? Yet, you have ZERO problems pointing out that Christianity had a violent PAST?

It's almost like being offended that your friend who happens to be a murderer is pronounced and convicted a murderer, but have no problem pointing, convicting and crucifying that your enemy is a murderer.

It's like a weird sickness, a warped way of thinking and twisted way of almost justifying disgusting acts.
 
Where did I say I was excusing the beheading? A link would be helpful, because I can't seem to find it.

Or could it be you're just putting words in my mouth (yet again) in a puerile attempt to piss me off?

Close up the bait shop, jktoooo.

No baiting anyone. paranoid?

and, it's not about "putting words" in your mouth.

It's about following your logic (or lack of it).
 
There is so much racist shit here in this post im horrified more people didnt call this guy on his shit. There is good and bad in everyone. I've met people of the Islam religion and they were very nice people.

OMG -- this was me like 5 years ago, when I was completely and totally ignorant of Islam, it's teachings and how it affects it's followers.

but, let me back up here......you wrote: "There is so much racist shit here....."

Please before you throw out totally ignorant and BASELESS racial accusations, demonstrate to us here how being a Muslim is being of a certain "race".

then, if you can prove there's "racism" going on, I'll get to the rest of this nonsense:

I do feel some men do abuse their wives but thats because they take the religion too far. Women who keep faces covered feel SORRY for non-masked women. They feel lucky because their husband will LOVE them for who they are on the inside. They pity women in America because women have to put on make-up and rely on looks to attract men. You gotta look at both sides.

Look at the Republican Christians in America who condemn homosexuality and who use the bible to justify their prejudices towards other people to feel better about themselves. If anything the only group that should be hated are conservative white people for that matter because some can see it this way.. those are the only people that really start shit.(Holocaust, Crusades, Confederate War, Treatment of native Americans at time of early settlers in America..)
 
So no admission of guilt by you, jktoooo?

You ascribed words to me which I never posted.

Let's back up......

this string is about a woman who was beheaded by her husband.
She happened to be the Muslim wife of an obviously devout, fundamental Muslim Male.

The overtone is that yes, Islam is not peaceful.....and what this man did was within his Islamic guidelines......if we were following shari'ah laws.

Then you posted what you posted, something about Christian Terrorists.

Explain the reason you did that?[/QUOTE]

Was it to somehow demonstrate that because there are apparently Christian terrorists somewhere in the world that this Muslim man beheading his wife makes it okay?

Explain the logic behind your obvious point of moral equivalency.



Chance tried that, too...and like you, he never acknowledged doing so, and never apologized.

What is it with you people?

There's a concept called "logic." You should familiarize yourself with it.

There's also a concept called "decency," but I've learned to not get my hopes up in impossible situations.

I am following logic.

It's just that yours seems to be a little twisted.
 
Are not Muslims believers or followers of Islam? As such, I think it is quite likely that there are caucasian converts to that religion.

Of course there are. Maybe it's just my imagination :roll: but when the average American hears "Muslim" they picture a dark-skinned Arab with a full beard and a head wrap. If we were open to ALL kinds of Muslims this thread wouldn't have been made. This thread was made for the sole purpose of focusing in on a distinct form of Islam; extremist. The discordance is everyone is pretending that this represents ALL of Islam.
 
Which peace activists exactly? The people who shouted "Hamas, Hamas alle Joden aan het gas!"* in The Netherlands?

(* Hamas, Hamas gass all Jews!)

You're more or less proving my point with a staggeringly fucking stupid statement like this. "How dare you infer there are peaceful muslims? Look at these violent ones, they're all like this!"

why it seems you leftists are so offended to associate violence with Islam? Yet, you have ZERO problems pointing out that Christianity had a violent PAST?

It's almost like being offended that your friend who happens to be a murderer is pronounced and convicted a murderer, but have no problem pointing, convicting and crucifying that your enemy is a murderer.

It's like a weird sickness, a warped way of thinking and twisted way of almost justifying disgusting acts.

I'm certainly not offended by the association of islam with violence. I am offended by this continuous inferrance that muslims are any more predisposed to violence than any other religious group, and the underlying biggotry in these kind of posts. And that is a piss-poor analogy, just thought I'd point that out.
 
Oh my god. You should know by now that Chance is hopeless and will use any excuse to post his bigotry under thinly veiled guises. Which is also what others are doing in this thread. Fanghetto, EwanSF, Madonna and Drewsuf are absolutely correct.

The Islamophobia on this board is pretty rampant and disgusting (although sadly very reflective of Western society).

what's "bigoted" about showing what a Muslim male did to his wife?

I think it's bigoted (and extremely inhumane and disgusting) thinking that we should make excuses by ignoring the atrocity of what happened to the wife?

This is NOT an isolated case of a Muslim man violently and murderously settling his own family matters in such a manner.

I don't see bigotry at all......what is obvious is there is a very real reason we should be concerned about violent Muslim men such as this man infesting our country.
 
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