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Pedophiles Banned from Priesthood
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The Pope is coming to the United States today for a six day cultfest, um, I mean tour.
He said on an interview during the flight over that pedophiles will be banned from the priesthood and that it's more important to have fewer priests, but good ones.
I guess he realizes that a lot of men who volunteer for the job are pedophiles.
The Catholic church has paid out over 2 billion in lawsuits due to child molestation.
I just hope Hollywood remembers to put our Paris Hiltons and Tommy Lees back in the closet until Monday.
I guess it's a step in the right direction, very little...really late.
I myself was a victim of abuse from our local parish priest. From 8-11 I was abused and used to satisfy the thirst of the local pedpophile.
For years I have struggled and worked to overcome the guilt. I was forced to bring things back in my mind, that I had worked hard to forget.
I have spent years in therephy and I'm doing fine. I have one last step, and that is to forgive. Thats a tough one, and also my prayer.
Angry? You bet your sweet ass I'm pissed, and I also know that hurts only me.
I'm working hard on leting go..I don't think that will happen today, and more than likely not tomorrow, but it my goal.
I have been thru trial by fire, and I find great comfort knowing that somday..someday these pedophiles will have to answer for their actions.
Sorry to have gone off on a tangent..
Cale
Not all the papal bulls laid end to end will compensate for the laxity and cover up of the church. Altar boys and choirboys have been as surely victims as the most vile maniacs who stalk the streets in search of prey.
Pope - Deep Shame Over Priests' Sexual Abuse
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The New York Times
April 16, 2008
The Pope's Visit
Pope Expresses Deep Shame Over Priests’ Sexual Abuse
By JOHN HOLUSHA and IAN FISHER
Pope Benedict XVI said on Tuesday that he was “deeply ashamed” by the Roman Catholic Church’s child sexual-abuse scandals in the United States, and said it is causing “great suffering” for the church and “me personally.”
Speaking to reporters on an airplane taking him for his first visit to the United States as pope, he addressed the scandal in the U.S. that has produced more than 5,000 sexual abuse victims since it erupted in 2002 and cost the church more than $2 billion.
In his most extensive remarks so far on the issue, the Pope expressed his personal remorse about the abuse scandal and said the church is increasing its efforts to keep pedophiles out of the priesthood.
“It is a great suffering for the church in the United States and for the church in general and for me personally that this could happen,” he said. “As I read the histories of those victims it is difficult for me to understand how it was possible that priests betrayed in this way. Their mission was to give healing, to give the love of God to these children. We are deeply ashamed and we will do what is possible that this cannot happen in the future.”
Apparently drawing a distinction between priests with homosexual tendencies and those inclined to molest children, the Pontiff said: “I would not speak at this moment about homosexuality, but pedophilia which is another thing. And we would absolutely exclude pedophiles from the sacred ministry.”
“Who is guilty of pedophilia cannot be a priest,” he added.
The Pope said church officials were going through the seminaries that train would-be priests to make sure that those candidates have no such tendencies. “We’ll do all that is possible to have a strong discernment, because it is more important to have good priests than to have many priests.”
“We hope that we can do, and we have done and will do in the future, all that is possible to heal this wound.”
The Pope is not new to issues involving abusive priests. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger he headed the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and was responsible for deciding whether to discipline priests accused of sexual abuse.
He read dossiers on the cases forwarded to him from bishops around the world. Aides said he was deeply distressed reading the accounts of victims whose trust in the church was betrayed by the priests who violated them.
In a homily he gave just before he was elected Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger decried the “filth” in the priesthood, which many interpreted as a reference to the abusers. As Pope, he ordered the Rev. Marcial Maciel, the founder of the Legionaires of Christ, to be removed from his ministry and to spend the rest of his life in prayer and penitence. Rev. Maciel died in February.
But as Pope, he has done or said or done little publicly about the abuse issue until now.
Advocates for victims have criticized the church for failing to call to account bishops who allowed abusive priests to remain in the ministry.
After hearing of Pope Benedict’s remarks, Peter Isley, a national board member of the Survivor’s Network of Those Abused by Priests, said: “The Pope has established a worldwide policy of saying Mass in Latin. He has not established a worldwide policy on child sex abuse. Three year into his papacy, Benedict has done what John Paul II did — make a few vague, brief remarks about the continuing crisis, and nothing more.”
One of the repercussions of the child abuse scandals in the United States is that lay Catholics across the country are demanding more financial accountability from their bishops and more control over decisions, particularly when it comes to parishes.
The Pope, who spoke for about 15 minutes, answered four questions from reporters that were submitted in advance and selected by the Vatican. He also talked about immigration and said he would discuss the issue with President Bush, who is scheduled to meet the Papal airplane when it lands this afternoon at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.
“I have seen the breadth of this problem above all the grave problem of the separation of families,” Pope Benedict said about immigration. “This really is dangerous for the fabric social, moral, human of these countries.” He said it was important to think about both long-term and short-term solutions. “The fundamental solution is that there would be no need to emigrate because there would be sufficient jobs,” he said.
Asked if the United States could serve as a religious model for Europe and other areas of the world, the Pope replied, ”Certainly Europe can’t simply copy the United States. We have our own history. We all have to learn from each other.”
But he said the United States was interesting because it “started with positive idea of secularism.”
“This new people was made of communities that had escaped official state purges and wanted a lay state, a secular that opened the possibility for all confessions and all form of religious exercise,” he added. “Therefore it was a state that was intentionally secular. It was the exact opposite of state religion, but it was secular out of love for religion and for an authenticity that can only be lived freely.”
The Pope plans to spend several days in the Washington area before traveling to New York to hold services, address the United Nations and visit a synagogue.
Laurie Goodstein contributed reporting.
eM.
The New York Times
April 16, 2008
The Pope's Visit
Pope Expresses Deep Shame Over Priests’ Sexual Abuse
By JOHN HOLUSHA and IAN FISHER
Pope Benedict XVI said on Tuesday that he was “deeply ashamed” by the Roman Catholic Church’s child sexual-abuse scandals in the United States, and said it is causing “great suffering” for the church and “me personally.”
Speaking to reporters on an airplane taking him for his first visit to the United States as pope, he addressed the scandal in the U.S. that has produced more than 5,000 sexual abuse victims since it erupted in 2002 and cost the church more than $2 billion.
In his most extensive remarks so far on the issue, the Pope expressed his personal remorse about the abuse scandal and said the church is increasing its efforts to keep pedophiles out of the priesthood.
“It is a great suffering for the church in the United States and for the church in general and for me personally that this could happen,” he said. “As I read the histories of those victims it is difficult for me to understand how it was possible that priests betrayed in this way. Their mission was to give healing, to give the love of God to these children. We are deeply ashamed and we will do what is possible that this cannot happen in the future.”
Apparently drawing a distinction between priests with homosexual tendencies and those inclined to molest children, the Pontiff said: “I would not speak at this moment about homosexuality, but pedophilia which is another thing. And we would absolutely exclude pedophiles from the sacred ministry.”
“Who is guilty of pedophilia cannot be a priest,” he added.
The Pope said church officials were going through the seminaries that train would-be priests to make sure that those candidates have no such tendencies. “We’ll do all that is possible to have a strong discernment, because it is more important to have good priests than to have many priests.”
“We hope that we can do, and we have done and will do in the future, all that is possible to heal this wound.”
The Pope is not new to issues involving abusive priests. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger he headed the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and was responsible for deciding whether to discipline priests accused of sexual abuse.
He read dossiers on the cases forwarded to him from bishops around the world. Aides said he was deeply distressed reading the accounts of victims whose trust in the church was betrayed by the priests who violated them.
In a homily he gave just before he was elected Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger decried the “filth” in the priesthood, which many interpreted as a reference to the abusers. As Pope, he ordered the Rev. Marcial Maciel, the founder of the Legionaires of Christ, to be removed from his ministry and to spend the rest of his life in prayer and penitence. Rev. Maciel died in February.
But as Pope, he has done or said or done little publicly about the abuse issue until now.
Advocates for victims have criticized the church for failing to call to account bishops who allowed abusive priests to remain in the ministry.
After hearing of Pope Benedict’s remarks, Peter Isley, a national board member of the Survivor’s Network of Those Abused by Priests, said: “The Pope has established a worldwide policy of saying Mass in Latin. He has not established a worldwide policy on child sex abuse. Three year into his papacy, Benedict has done what John Paul II did — make a few vague, brief remarks about the continuing crisis, and nothing more.”
One of the repercussions of the child abuse scandals in the United States is that lay Catholics across the country are demanding more financial accountability from their bishops and more control over decisions, particularly when it comes to parishes.
The Pope, who spoke for about 15 minutes, answered four questions from reporters that were submitted in advance and selected by the Vatican. He also talked about immigration and said he would discuss the issue with President Bush, who is scheduled to meet the Papal airplane when it lands this afternoon at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.
“I have seen the breadth of this problem above all the grave problem of the separation of families,” Pope Benedict said about immigration. “This really is dangerous for the fabric social, moral, human of these countries.” He said it was important to think about both long-term and short-term solutions. “The fundamental solution is that there would be no need to emigrate because there would be sufficient jobs,” he said.
Asked if the United States could serve as a religious model for Europe and other areas of the world, the Pope replied, ”Certainly Europe can’t simply copy the United States. We have our own history. We all have to learn from each other.”
But he said the United States was interesting because it “started with positive idea of secularism.”
“This new people was made of communities that had escaped official state purges and wanted a lay state, a secular that opened the possibility for all confessions and all form of religious exercise,” he added. “Therefore it was a state that was intentionally secular. It was the exact opposite of state religion, but it was secular out of love for religion and for an authenticity that can only be lived freely.”
The Pope plans to spend several days in the Washington area before traveling to New York to hold services, address the United Nations and visit a synagogue.
Laurie Goodstein contributed reporting.
eM.
BenF
Vodka and mouthwash
Re: Pope - Deep Shame Over Priests' Sexual Abuse
Hopefully that the Pope has acknowledged that this problem exists, and is inherent in his organisation, he will do something more about it than hand-wringing and apologising - sharing the Catholic Churches' documents and evidence on abusive priests would be a start.
When is he going to apologise for terrorism, Nazi collaboration, theft, institutionalised homophobia/racism/sexism, his lot's stance on condoms for the Third World and Cherie Blair??
Hopefully that the Pope has acknowledged that this problem exists, and is inherent in his organisation, he will do something more about it than hand-wringing and apologising - sharing the Catholic Churches' documents and evidence on abusive priests would be a start.
When is he going to apologise for terrorism, Nazi collaboration, theft, institutionalised homophobia/racism/sexism, his lot's stance on condoms for the Third World and Cherie Blair??
backpacker
fka "vetteboi"
Until they allow priests to have normal sex lives, they are going to continue attracting the deviants in disproportionate numbers. It is good that they are no longer just trying to sweep it under the rug.
G
gabriel1
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I'll give him three snaps and a blow for that one!
What do they really expect - that someone is going to stand up and declare they are a pedophile?
BenF
Vodka and mouthwash
Who the hell merged these threads?
They are two different stories for fuck's sake!!
They are two different stories for fuck's sake!!
you can blame moi,
as i reported my thread with the N.Y. Times article as a duplicate thread to the moderators. sorry if i caused a problem.]eM.
I'm really new here..so I have no idea how to delete a post, but I would really like to delete my former posting.
I had no idea this would be a thread of humor.
I did not have the pimples when I was eight, but I did have the priest.
Silly me..I guess I have no sense of humor!
Pass me a friggin snap!!!!
I had no idea this would be a thread of humor.
I did not have the pimples when I was eight, but I did have the priest.
Silly me..I guess I have no sense of humor!
Pass me a friggin snap!!!!
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It's good that you can have a sense of humor about it, laughing at something awful is maybe the best way to render it powerless. No need to delete your former post it is also good to be reminded that there are real victims of this problem, and it's a bigger problem than a couple bad priests and although it's nice Benedict's addressing it in reality it's being swept under the rug and we mustn't let them do that.
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wastingmymind
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Technically this is old news. Aren't priests not supposed to have sexual feelings towards anyone since their technically married to God?
C
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Basically you're saying that the cause for priests molesting children is due to not having "normal" sex lives.
While that may be true for some situations, I don't believe it's an accurate blanket to throw over the whole matter.
The priests that molest kids due it because they're perverts or sexually frustrated.
While it is true that perhaps the molestations would decline some if they were married, that still doesn't take care of the perverts.
Even when they have access to proper sex (with a consenting adult), if a child predator/pervert has access to children, they're gonna abuse them.
Hopefully the church gets its act together and does a better job of screening out/kicking out the perverts and offers the option for those non-perverts who are interested to get married.
backpacker
fka "vetteboi"
You missed my point. The fact that the priesthood is limited to those who are willing to forgo a normal sex life greatly reduces the candidates and attracts the sexual deviants in larger numbers than other religions.
C
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backpacker
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No problem. I agree with everything you posted, so I could see that you just misunderstood what I was saying.
AdmiraalW238
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It is not only Catholic Priests that have molested children...there are Anglican priest (who can be married) that have molested children.
Of course it is wrong no matter which way you look at it but the Catholic Church is going a long way to getting rid of priest who molest children and that is how it should be.
Pope Benedict has come along way in even speaking publicly about what happened in the past and the fact that he met privately with some of the victims should show you what he is about. And before anyone says, why did he not see them publicly all I say is...if I was a victim I would not want a meeting with the Pope to be broadcast over the world.
I am sorry, I just do not agree with the fact that priest are not allowed any sex life as being a reason behind molesting children. How can you explain all the pedophiles who are not priests.
And it is a small minority of the priesthood who have molested children...do not tar and feather all priests with the same brush.
Was it wrong what the church has done in the past? Of course it was...but that was the past...the church will now handle any allegations of molestation totally differently that happened in the past.