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On Topic Discussion Pedophilia, Bisexuality, and Celibacy: Some Hard Questions

The problem is that people want to have just one definition for a thing. But it isn't that easy -- biologically speaking, it may well be an orientation. But that has no bearing on the social definition, which is an entirely different matter, or the ethical definition, which is yet another.

It's easy to take refuge in holding to just one definition, but that's just intellectual laziness. In order to deal with a problem, we have to look at it as it is, and that means not just allowing but insisting on the various definitions.

Well the term "pedophilia" is of course an umbrella that encompasses the biological definition, and all the social and ethical mores that are attached to the term and how we view that population in society. It is inherent that we are going to view different groups with our own biases.
 
You my fellow Jubber form part of that of the demographic (gay, straight, bi - it does not matter) that should be kept away from children in total....

Given Deja's record vs. yours, I'd trust him with kids almost infinitely more than I would you -- because anyone who could come to this conclusion is not sufficiently rational to be trusted with anyone not mature enough to engage in self-defense.
 
Well the term "pedophilia" is of course an umbrella that encompasses the biological definition, and all the social and ethical mores that are attached to the term and how we view that population in society. It is inherent that we are going to view different groups with our own biases.

That's sort of the point: we have to throw out our biases and rely on the science and on the Golden Rule. Otherwise we may as well be animals. If we just go with societal attitudes, we get pogroms murdering Jews, witch trials, and other such irrational activity.
 
Excellent! It demonstrates for certain that the notion that no pedophiles see themselves as doing anything wrong is nonsense.

I haven't seen this programme but I would say that paedophiles find the notion of it being wrong part of the attraction
 
Did i read it correctly,
you said pedophiles are bisexuals (mainly). You are wrong !!!
 
I actually disagree - I'd say rape is about power, control, and sex. I'd think the sex bit would be because of some fucked up ideas of 'innocence', 'virginity', 'less intimidating', what have you. If there weren't a difference it wouldn't be distinguished from other kinds of power-over abuse situations. That said, agreed that it's not a damned 'orientation'. 'Nambla' et al have been trying that schtick for years with "Science!" as a backup - bunch of bullshit.

I did considered listing something in the vaguest of terms on the 'worst sex' thread, and then promptly trashed the idea - I don't need the mental image of people excusing rape apology jerking off to the 'worst experiences' thread.

I can't answer for eastofeden, of course, but I suspect he meant it was not sex for him. Since the rapist is sexual aroused, it is about sex for him. Not for his victim.

I think what was meant was that the sexual attack was not about having sex, but about exerting control over the victim through the sexual act. To many the act of sex should be reserved for two people who care about each other, about a joining, a becoming one with the other person in a manner of speaking. Rape is so far from that as to be in another galaxy, it is all about control, about taking from the victim.
 
Bisexuals are really pedophiles? No, pedophiles exist the former does not.
 
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