Pelosi pandering to illegals

[justapixel]

We need to be better thought-of by our Latin American neighbors. We want them to be good neighbors and to have a happy neighborhood. We don't want to cultivate more hatred of our country than there already is in Latin America. We need them on our side. We need to not alienate them.

We need them to obey our laws. We need them to stay at home.

 

[HenryReardon]

We need them to obey our laws. We need them to stay at home.

And, we need the ones that are here to go home.

Ever looked at the numbers. Lots of illegals out there killing Americans while DUI.

Guess we can't post that info, the bedwetters don't like doses of reality.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

Bottom line: Nancy Pelosi is Un-American.

 

[Spensed]

And, we need the ones that are here to go home.

Ever looked at the numbers. Lots of illegals out there killing Americans while DUI.

Guess we can't post that info, the bedwetters don't like doses of reality.

^ The usual name-calling gibber.

Many of the illegals aren't going to go home. They've been allowed to stay fo too long and the impact and logistics of expelling them don't make that a realsitic option. The problem will either get worse or there'll have to be more intelligent solution.

The DUI stuff is a red herring. DUIs aren't unique to illegals and those who don't get DUIs aren't generally responsible for those who do.

 

[Spensed]

Bottom line: Nancy Pelosi is Un-American.

Yeah that must be it. LOL.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yeah that must be it. LOL.

Maybe there should be a commission. (grin)

 

[Glafna]

^ The usual name-calling gibber.

Many of the illegals aren't going to go home. They've been allowed to stay fo too long and the impact and logistics of expelling them don't make that a realsitic option. The problem will either get worse or there'll have to be more intelligent solution.

The DUI stuff is a red herring. DUIs aren't unique to illegals and those who don't get DUIs aren't generally responsible for those who do.

Exacly!!! There are quite a lot of illegal citizens living in both the US and Canada that have been here for years, and have actually built lives and careers here, and removing them will probably do damage to their community, their workplaces, and the lives of their children(if they had any).

Also, the majority of illegal immigrants are coming to the country to try to find a better life for themselves. In comparison, there are very few coming with the intent to commit further crimes while in the country, and that is focused around gangs, with deaths usually being from those in other gangs, and not the innocents that you are making everyone out to be, yes there are those who do die from gang incidents that are innocent, but that will happen anyway, with gangs like the imitation Bloods and Crips, the Hells Angels, the KKK, the Nazi movements, and the multitude of other gangs spread around the US. Removing the illegals from the gangs would help, but it would only succeed in the others cementing their hold on territory, with the leaders of those groups possibly disillusioning themselves to be like kings of their own little kingdom, and acting like such with ruthless depravity.

Yes, some illegals may DUI, but approximately 1 in every 137 drivers in the US is arrested for a DUI, so you gonna deport everyone who has gotten a DUI??? Sure that will work out.

 

[HenryReardon]

There are quite a lot of illegal citizens living in both the US and Canada that have been here for years, and have actually built lives and careers here, and removing them will probably do damage to their community, their workplaces, and the lives of their children(if they had any).

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If they wanted to have better lives they should have waited in line and come here legally.

 

[Spensed]

^ When gay sex was illegal, if gays wanted to have better lives they should have stayed within the law and not had gay sex.

Illegality is but one factor in the equation. Duh.

 

[Kulindahr]

So Henry, if you had came home from school, to find your family missing, then you find out later that they were taken by the police for no apparent reason other then being in the country, you wouldn't be terrified? you wouldn't be angry?

I'd be pissed, but mostly at myself. If I were an illegal, I'd be entirely aware that such a result could be a consequence of my choice to break the law.

So illegals getting pissed over being rounded up and ejected is an expression of refusal to take responsibility for their own actions. They shouldn't be surprised or shocked in the least; they should be constantly expecting it and being thankful for every day it doesn't happen.

Bottom line: Nancy Pelosi is Un-American.

In various ways, yes. But she's a symptom of a sickness in our society, one that wants everything to be nice, pleasant, touchy-feely without responsibility or stress.

^ When gay sex was illegal, if gays wanted to have better lives they should have stayed within the law and not had gay sex.

Illegality is but one factor in the equation. Duh.

Truth.

Freedom of movement is a basic right. Protesting its restriction can be done in a variety of ways, and one is to go ahead and exercise it.

Yet choices have consequences. I believe the border should be guarded, with lethal force as an option for repelling such invaders. Within the borders, raids and deportation are proper.

But treating people the way Janet Reno's goons treated Elian Gonzalez, applying terror, breaking in a flaunting fully automatic weapons, is overboard. Illegals have to be taught that owning themselves means accepting consequences, but treating them like property in return is at least as immoral as their violation of our borders.

And once they've had kids here, the equation changes further. I don't think that precludes deportation, but that factor, as well as having become a part of the community, puts a different twist on things, and suggests that other options may be appropriate.

 

[Glafna]

If they wanted to have better lives they should have waited in line and come here legally.

Oh, so they could have waited the several years it would have probably taken for them to actually get accepted, possibly risking death or forcible labor, on top of other dangers in their home country?

As many problems as there are in the US, it is still one of the biggest attractions for legal immigrants from around the world, and the waiting list is long indeed. Many people would rather risk their lives with the ones transporting illegals(where many often die or are killed to avoid the authorities or to make examples of what will happen if they don't listen), and often live with a debt over their heads that they can barely afford to pay.

If their willing to risk that much to get into the country.. where are they better off??

 

[Glafna]

Yet choices have consequences. I believe the border should be guarded, with lethal force as an option for repelling such invaders. Within the borders, raids and deportation are proper.

But treating people the way Janet Reno's goons treated Elian Gonzalez, applying terror, breaking in a flaunting fully automatic weapons, is overboard. Illegals have to be taught that owning themselves means accepting consequences, but treating them like property in return is at least as immoral as their violation of our borders.

And once they've had kids here, the equation changes further. I don't think that precludes deportation, but that factor, as well as having become a part of the community, puts a different twist on things, and suggests that other options may be appropriate.

As I said earlier, the unofficial border guarding agencies usually have a 'do not fire' position, unless fired upon. Lethal force if necessary I guess.

As I just said in another post, they willingly put their lives in extreme danger, and possibly decades of debt to the Coyotes(right name??) who get them across the border. Look at the "rape trees", and the bodies found on ships, the desert, and wherever else they are smuggled in/through. I honestly feel that if they are willing to put themselves in that much risk.. there's a reason why they want to come to the two 'greatest' nations in the world(referring to the US and Canada).

Exactly!!!!! If they have been here for decades, have paid taxes, and tried living normal lives(BTW, I've heard that illegals don't collect many tax refunds, as they are afraid they may be compromised if investigated), then why should they be uprooted as though they are murderer or a rapist or whatever else??

 

[HenryReardon]

Oh, so they could have waited the several years it would have probably taken for them to actually get accepted, possibly risking death or forcible labor, on top of other dangers in their home country?

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Why not. Millions have done so over the years.

 

[HenryReardon]

If they have been here for decades, have paid taxes, and tried living normal lives(BTW, I've heard that illegals don't collect many tax refunds, as they are afraid they may be compromised if investigated), then why should they be uprooted as though they are murderer or a rapist or whatever else??

That is utter nonsense.

 

[Spensed]

^ Of course, it's not. The law and equity has concepts like adverse possession of land, waiver, estoppel (in the civil law and equity) and statute of limitation (in criminal law), all of which, in effect, embody the idea that, in many instances, you can't fuck around even with wrongdoers, if you've sat on your rights, allowed them to carry on with their wrongdoing and then, decades later, decide to do something about it.

I'm not saying any of those specific theories provide any legal relief to illegal immigrants, nor am I condoing breaking any laws, but the underlying notion is clear enough and far from nonsense.

You don't get to allow people to settle down, live lawful lives, other than being here unlawfully, and then simply uproot them because you're a Neanderthal, troubled by bedwetting.

Whether or not you're prevented from doing that on any legal theories, economically and socially it's clear that the same type of notions apply at least in terms of any mass expulsions.

Many illegal immigrants and their US citizen children are more patriotic and concerned about America's real interests than many of the guys trying to kick them out.

 

[Glafna]

Why not. Millions have done so over the years.

And millions died while waiting.

 

[Glafna]

That is utter nonsense.

Pray tell, exactly how is it nonsense?? Or is that the best you can come up with now that I've actually argued that there are illegal immigrants who have EARNED the right to stay in the country they sneaked into?

I also must mention that you've ignored my arguments about the risks they take to get here, as well as the "do not fire" policies that I believe are in place with the unofficial border guards, where you would have them shot on sight.

 

[HenryReardon]

Pray tell, exactly how is it nonsense?? Or is that the best you can come up with now that I've actually argued that there are illegal immigrants who have EARNED the right to stay in the country they sneaked into?

I also must mention that you've ignored my arguments about the risks they take to get here, as well as the "do not fire" policies that I believe are in place with the unofficial border guards, where you would have them shot on sight.

Your arguments are absurd, and like most arguments from the bleeding heart left, are based upon emotion rather than logic. Nobody earns the right to stay in this country by virtue of having eluded apprehension for a long enough period of time.

Take a look at immigration laws in other countries, Mexico, for example. They, at least, have some sense of controlling their borders.

 

[HenryReardon]

And millions died while waiting.

So?....................

 

[Glafna]

So?....................

Heh... You just made yourself a prime example of the uncaring right..

Again.