People of JUB

[Paws]

The only problem with stereotypes is when people are dumb enough to believe them, to believe that a whole race of people are that way.

To spread a certain stereotype in hope it'll catch on the stupidity of humans is a calculated action by fascists to victimize the affected group.

 

[Apollo]

It's just a sad fact that that all comedy has deteriorated to mere insult comedy and race jokes.

I remember when people laughed at higher quality stuff.

This is high quality stuff. It is smartly written, takes no cheap jabs at people, they know the subjects quite well, and is funny.

 

[Apollo]

You ask "I'm thick-skinned, why can't you be?" You may as well ask "I'm tall, why aren't you?"

When you participate in a public forum that has thousands of other participants, it's inevitable that you're going to say something that offends someone. The gentlemanly thing to do is to say "Sorry I offended you, I didn't meant to," not to whinge on about how we shouldn't be offended.

All of us have hot-button issues. You may have noticed that any time there's a thread about effeminacy, I'm in there with my guns blazing. There are those who are incensed by anti-Christian sentiments (whom you have also encountered recently, BlackWolf); some of us can be whipped into a frenzy by the merest implication of one country being better than another.

This is human nature. You have to accept it. Certainly you wish to engage the offended person and discuss with them why they are offended, but please do not discount the offense just because you don't see it. We'll be happy to point out what offended us... at disgusting length, if necessary.

Every viewpoint is valid. Sometimes the viewpoint is wrong, sometimes it's based in ignorance, but it's always got its own validity. Not every argument is valid, though, and these discussions frequently fall apart because someone doesn't allow the validity of someone else's viewpoint.

My post in the christian thread took no sides. I merely stated a observation I made about both sides respectively.

As for the rest, WWDC is going on, and Steve Jobs is about to reveal the new iPhone. So whatever

 

[Swellegant]

Forgive me, perhaps my brain is befuddled from lack of sleep, but... what? What have iPhones to do with anything?

Nonsequitur? Infantile evasion? I'm all at sea.

Once, a few months ago, I made a passing statement about cancer... it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the thread, it was completely gratuitous. Another member, whom I had taken a good deal of time to correct of an inconsidered opinion in another thread, took me to task for this passing gratuitous statement.

What I should have done was apologize for offending him and anyone else with my callous remark. Instead, nettled by what was clearly an attempt to "get back at" me for the previous thread, I defended my position... which, though perfectly valid, well-thought-out and dearly-held, was likely to hurt the feelings of others. Instead of learning from my mistake, I made it worse by trying to defend it.

Basically what you've said is "I didn't intend to offend, so you're not allowed to be offended." And that's just not the way it works. If you are offended by something I have said, my intent (though possibly mitigating) does not change the fact that I offended you.

And unless one wishes to be offensive, one would do well to learn from any offense given so as not to repeat the mistake in the future.

However, returning to the thread that you started and was attacked as anti-Christian, I will agree that the person who got his panties in the biggest bunch was in the wrong; he reacted to an impression of what you said rather than what you actually said. He also flouted the rules of debate (and the CoC) by turning his comments into a personal attack.

Nevertheless, that person was well within his rights to be offended by what he saw as an attack on Christians. His reaction was over the top, but the feelings behind it were genuine and his viewpoint was perfectly valid. That he engaged in irrationality and bad language in defense of his position doesn't make the position wrong, it just makes the defense wrong. See the difference?

In re the Stuff White People Like thread, I didn't find it particularly funny, either. I wasn't offended by it, I just thought it was a little mean-spirited. I mean, yes, it's amusing to poke fun at certain people, but when you characterize those people by their race rather than by their behavior, you tread a very fine line. It can be a lot of fun to ruffle up those sacred cows, but one has to do it very carefully. And no matter how carefully you do it, somebody's going to be offended, and that somebody has every right to be offended.

Anyway, I have errands to run. I'm going to miss these little interchanges when I start work again and will no longer have my mornings to myself.

 

[Apollo]

Forgive me, perhaps my brain is befuddled from lack of sleep, but... what? What have iPhones to do with anything?

Nonsequitur? Infantile evasion? I'm all at sea.

Once, a few months ago, I made a passing statement about cancer... it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the thread, it was completely gratuitous. Another member, whom I had taken a good deal of time to correct of an inconsidered opinion in another thread, took me to task for this passing gratuitous statement.

What I should have done was apologize for offending him and anyone else with my callous remark. Instead, nettled by what was clearly an attempt to "get back at" me for the previous thread, I defended my position... which, though perfectly valid, well-thought-out and dearly-held, was likely to hurt the feelings of others. Instead of learning from my mistake, I made it worse by trying to defend it.

Basically what you've said is "I didn't intend to offend, so you're not allowed to be offended." And that's just not the way it works. If you are offended by something I have said, my intent (though possibly mitigating) does not change the fact that I offended you.

And unless one wishes to be offensive, one would do well to learn from any offense given so as not to repeat the mistake in the future.

However, returning to the thread that you started and was attacked as anti-Christian, I will agree that the person who got his panties in the biggest bunch was in the wrong; he reacted to an impression of what you said rather than what you actually said. He also flouted the rules of debate (and the CoC) by turning his comments into a personal attack.

Nevertheless, that person was well within his rights to be offended by what he saw as an attack on Christians. His reaction was over the top, but the feelings behind it were genuine and his viewpoint was perfectly valid. That he engaged in irrationality and bad language in defense of his position doesn't make the position wrong, it just makes the defense wrong. See the difference?

I'm going to miss these little interchanges when I start work again and will no longer have my mornings to myself.

It means this subject no longer matters to me.

The new iPhone has a plastic back now. http://live.gizmodo.com/

The comment in the christian thread after mine didn't effect me. I was trying to respond, but it was at that very moment, the mods moved it, and it still hasnt reappeared.

I can understand them being offended by my comparison of them to their mortal enemies, but ok.

 

[Apollo]

OMG, the 8GB iphone is $199. HOLY SHIT! I am getting an iPhone!!!!!!!!!!

AND IT"S THE 3G ONE

 

[Swellegant]

I just remembered that you weren't the one who started the thread that got pulled, you only responded to it in three colors and then started another thread about why it was pulled. Ooops!

I am slightly offended that you take such a dismissive tone with a subject that you yourself started. If you just want to spout without engaging in discussion, why revisit the thread at all?

Anyway, this isn't getting my errands done. I'm going now.

Really.

I mean it.

Well, maybe in a few minutes...

 

[Apollo]

I just remembered that you weren't the one who started the thread that got pulled, you only responded to it in three colors and then started another thread about why it was pulled. Ooops!

I am slightly offended that you take such a dismissive tone with a subject that you yourself started. If you just want to spout without engaging in discussion, why revisit the thread at all?

Anyway, this isn't getting my errands done. I'm going now.

Really.

I mean it.

Well, maybe in a few minutes...

Well I was very engaged in it, but someone put up a great post in the other thread and I am now calm. I realized there is no point in engaging in the oversensitivity of others, and focused on something else.

Sorry that I was lax about it, I just can't find the will to care anymore.

 

[Apollo]

Aristotle’s law of noncontradiction states that “One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time.”

What is the contradiction? I told people to be prepared to be offended by what I write, and that I am not angry as I write this.

 

[Shepherd 2]

Ughhhhhhhh!



Shep+

 

[rareboy]

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

 

[Apollo]

Ughhhhhhhh!



Shep+

Explain it to me?

There is such a thing as a completely calm offending people or ranting about something. Try it once

 

[Swellegant]

I'm clearly having a minor manic episode, as I can't leave this alone. It's a burr in my saddle, a pea under my mattress.

I feel like someone started a conversation with me, and I put a lot of effort and thought into the conversation, but when I didn't simply agree with him, he just said "I'm bored" and walked away. I feel slighted somehow.

I know I shouldn't but there it is.

 

[Apollo]

I'm clearly having a minor manic episode, as I can't leave this alone. It's a burr in my saddle, a pea under my mattress.

I feel like someone started a conversation with me, and I put a lot of effort and thought into the conversation, but when I didn't simply agree with him, he just said "I'm bored" and walked away. I feel slighted somehow.

I know I shouldn't but there it is.

I understand. I got bored with it before you came along though.

If you have seen me argue any other topic, I stay with an arguement till the end, or until the other person can't make a point anymore. But after reading a post from Marley pointing out far more people enjoyed it than hated it, I felt there was no point in actually getting angry over it.

 

[Apollo]

Telling us that you expect your thread to offend us, and that you think it should, and then proceeding to diagram why we shouldn't.

You're going to get angry if you visit a messageboard more than once. It just come with the territory. It's okay to get mad.

btw, congrats on 4K!

I gave you a diagram of why you shouldn't be offended by the website, not by the post. You could be offended by this post because I am calling you out on it, and I might call you some names.

Everyone else understood the distinction.

 

[Giovanni]

This is high quality stuff. It is smartly written, takes no cheap jabs at people, they know the subjects quite well, and is funny.

In your opinion. And just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them a troll.

I just find this sort of comedy tasteless

 

[Apollo]

In your opinion. And just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them a troll.

I just find this sort of comedy tasteless

Well it works both ways. I could be the troll, or they could be the troll. It is up to you to decided.

It isn't meant to be funny.

 

[Apollo]

Maybe you should go back and count again. The majority of replies have seemed to call you out, not the other way around.

Yes, I understand there is a distinction between the website and this post. I'm clearly discussing the post.

I answered all of those call outs too. There are no new ones, except from you, which came after I found chi.

 

[Apollo]

Yes, you've done an excellent job of answering.

I'd give you a gold star for that, if we had them. Would you settle for a instead?

Why thank you. A gold star would have SO matched my outfit though lol

 

[rareboy]

I can't imagine why anyone wasted their time just to boost someone's post count over 4000.

Wahtever.