people still think you can give someone aids

[fabulouslyghetto]

i'm beginning to think ignorance is a bigger culprit in the hiv/aids epidemic than promiscuity or used needles.

 

[construct]

i'm beginning to think ignorance is a bigger culprit in the hiv/aids epidemic than promiscuity or used needles.

Ummm, I figured that that was one way of expressing passing the virus from one person to another. Is there something wrong with it?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Ummm, I figured that that was one way of expressing passing the virus from one person to another. Is there something wrong with it?

HIV is the virus. HIV has the potential to develop into AIDS, but it doesn't always. Some HIV+ people never get AIDS.

 

[Corny]

you are correct. but is this really our biggest problem?

i think the other kind of ignorance is worse.

 

[kallipolis]

HIV is the virus. HIV has the potential to develop into AIDS, but it doesn't always. Some HIV+ people never get AIDS.

Would you risk contracting HIV by not using a condom simply because some HIV carriers do not develop AIDS?

In other words in this imaginary game of Russian Roulette do you imagine your self sufficiently lucky?

If ignorance is the primary issue then we might consider that the syringe, and promiscuous sex are innocent bystanders that have absolutely no influence upon our decision to use a condom.

A wiser man than I said that ignorance is not the culprit, rather arrogance that would attempt to persuade us that we are luckier than the next man.

 

[kallipolis]

]How often is AIDS in the news? Never.[/B] It used to be in the news alot and people wore red ribbons. That no longer happens. Breast cancer is more in the news and people wear pink ribbons, not red ones.

This link may well enlighten you:

http://www.aids.org/

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Would you risk contracting HIV by not using a condom simply because some HIV carriers do not develop AIDS?

What are you babbling about? You're either a gigantic moron for interpreting my post this way, or you think I'm a gigantic moron for "risking HIV because some carriers do not develop AIDS."

In other words in this imaginary game of Russian Roulette do you imagine your self sufficiently lucky?

I'm not sexually active so I'm at zero risk. I suggest you re-read the post with a little more sensibility (or any at all) and stop trying to create in-betweens and subtexts, especially ones as ludicrous as me having unprotected sex because I'd, in your world, be just fine and dandy being HIV+ as long as it doesn't turn into AIDS. What part of that felt right when you were typing it?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

How often is AIDS in the news?

This might explain things, if we're using the news to educate each other. I had always thought that's what the public school system is for (results TBA). If I'm not mistaken, HIV/AIDS is or at one point was taught in every classroom in the country. I guess some of us were paying attention and some of us weren't.

 

[kallipolis]

What are you babbling about? You're either a gigantic moron for interpreting my post this way, or you think I'm a gigantic moron for "risking HIV because some carriers do not develop AIDS."



I'm not sexually active so I'm at zero risk. I suggest you re-read the post with a little more sensibility (or any at all) and stop trying to create in-betweens and subtexts, especially ones as ludicrous as me having unprotected sex because I'd, in your world, be just fine and dandy being HIV+ as long as it doesn't turn into AIDS. What part of that felt right when you were typing it?

The issue is not your sexual habits; nor your life rather the implications that arise from the wording of your post.

People may read into your posts all that your choice of words may present to us to surmise, and respond too.

You will note that I do not use intemperate language.

 

[kallipolis]

I'm talking about media coverage. The only time you hear about AIDS is after an awards show and Elton John is having an after party

This AIDS related thread was posted on this forum on the 6th April, 2011.
There are frequent references to AIDS on this forum, and the gay media ensures that AIDS issues are kept in full view.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340211

The Pink:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/03/23/london-hiv-groups-suffer-43-per-cent-cut-in-nhs-funding/

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

The issue is not your sexual habits; nor your life rather the implications that arise from the wording of your post.

This makes even less sense. This is 100% about AIDS education or lack thereof, on other people's part. How I got thrown into this with any level of implication is beyond me.

 

[kallipolis]

This makes even less sense. This is 100% about AIDS education or lack thereof, on other people's part. How I got thrown into this with any level of implication is beyond me.

Then I recommend that you re-read your earlier posts, and then appreciate that your posts are being read by very many people whose understandings are being formed by your choice of words.

 

[quasar]

I think that the problem stems from the initial AIDS campaigns back in the 80s & early 90s. The straight population pretty much thought (and still do to an extent) that it was a 'gay disease' and wasn't applicable to them. They paid little or no attention to it and the facts provided.

Despite the massive financial implications that HIV brings to a country, because it is no longer the rapid death sentance that it was, due to the advancement of treatment, there also appears to be no 'urgency' in mass education campaigns again.

Of course, some people simply don't WANT to know the facts when the lies can help spread suspicion and hatred...

 

[Ninja108]

I think that the problem stems from the initial AIDS campaigns back in the 80s & early 90s. The straight population pretty much thought (and still do to an extent) that it was a 'gay disease' and wasn't applicable to them. They paid little or no attention to it and the facts provided.Despite the massive financial implications that HIV brings to a country, because it is no longer the rapid death sentance that it was, due to the advancement of treatment, there also appears to be no 'urgency' in mass education campaigns again.

Of course, some people simply don't WANT to know the facts when the lies can help spread suspicion and hatred...

That is the biggest problem. People still view is a disease only druggies and gay men get, not straight women or men. And as you said, know that it doesn't advance as fast as it did in the 80's due to medicine, people don't take it seriously anymore.
Despite all the advancement we've made in drugs, HIV is still incurable. Sooner or later you WILL develop AIDS and die. I don't get hope people fail to understand that.

 

[kallipolis]

I think that the problem stems from the initial AIDS campaigns back in the 80s & early 90s. The straight population pretty much thought (and still do to an extent) that it was a 'gay disease' and wasn't applicable to them. They paid little or no attention to it and the facts provided.

Despite the massive financial implications that HIV brings to a country, because it is no longer the rapid death sentance that it was, due to the advancement of treatment, there also appears to be no 'urgency' in mass education campaigns again.

Of course, some people simply don't WANT to know the facts when the lies can help spread suspicion and hatred...

The greater tragedy is that of informed people who ignore the advice, and guidance that will reduce their risk of contracting HIV. This is not blind ignorance, rather arrogance that they are sufficiently smart not to contract HIV when engaging in unsafe sexual practices.

Safer sexual practices, does not equal safe sex, but does reduce the risk to the minimum.

 

[medic1]

I have to agree in part with Quasar which one of us cannot remember the
tombstone fallen and an eerily disembodied voiceover saying AIDS DONT
DIE OF IGNORANCE ? Also the gay community were years ahead when it
came to safer sex education .
Though here in the UK demographics play a huge part of peoples thinking
for instance i used to live in London where it seemed only gay men were
dropping like flies and it is no exageration to say that most gay men were
going to the funerals of friends sometimes as much as 3 times a month .
Then i moved to Edinburgh to study medicine and it did not take me long
to realise that here in Edinburgh which at one time had the dubious title
as the AIDS capital of Europe.
This was because here more and more gay men were getting educated
about hiv and a lot of straight guys still called it the gay plague hence i am
straight so i am safe . Here in Scotland it was known as a junkie disease
passed by iv drug abusers sharing their works it was not uncommon to find
that the same needle and syringe were being used by as many as ten different
people so it really struck the straight community with a horrifying speed.
Only when safer sex and safer drug practices were brought in and all people
were getting the education that hiv did not discriminate unlike a lot of the straight
iv drug abusers did everyone start getting the same message DONT share your
works with anyone else.
Here in Scotland more straight men and woman are dying from aids related
conditions eg Kaposis Sarcoma the horrible purple skin cancer or massive chest
infections and now we are finding a lot of people who are co-infected with both
hiv and hepatitis c also known amongst the medical community as the silent
killer . Sorry did not realise i was writing a book but yes IGNORANCE and a lack
of understanding from policy-makers has led to many many deaths and the
really sad thing is it still does especially amongst the youngest in both the straight
and gay communitys who now think that it is no longer the death sentence that
it was just take a few pills a day and everything will be hunky-dory , yes death
rates from Aids related conditions are slowing down, but the scary thing is
because of this complacency hiv rates are on the rise once again .

 

[construct]

I still don't understand why Karen seems to think the exact terminology is so important in general usage. Sure, "giving someone AIDS" is sloppy language, but the implication that it is important to reduce risks is communicated.

I don't even use the "giving/catching" metaphor with respect to HIV anyway. I use terms like "contracting HIV." Nobody would think about saying "contracting AIDS." At least, I've never heard anyone say it.

There. That fixes it. Now we'll never have to think about giving someone AIDS ever again.

 

[construct]

medic1, is it still the case that the drug cocktails are tolerable for only about a third of the cases? Have advances been made that allows more people to benefit from such treatment?

 

[kallipolis]

yes death rates from Aids related conditions are slowing down, but the scary thing is
because of this complacency hiv rates are on the rise once again .

Complacency informs us that the person knows, and understands the need for safer sex practices, but chooses to ignore them.

Sadly, the rise in HIV rates, is among young gay men.:

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=110029

 

[AlmondMilk]

This might explain things, if we're using the news to educate each other. I had always thought that's what the public school system is for (results TBA). If I'm not mistaken, HIV/AIDS is or at one point was taught in every classroom in the country. I guess some of us were paying attention and some of us weren't.

Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I've had one health class....and it was in eighth grade. The teacher didn't even brush up on STDs... :/ so I just turned to the internet to look up the information.