PETA TV -- Oh my God! This video is disturbing...

[Marbas]

I saw that video more than a year ago, and I'm still haunted by the utterly appallingly vile scenes in it; I don't think that I will ever be able to clear the final terrible images from my memory.

People will be along soon to tell you that fur-farming is no worse than meat-farming, but I consider them much the same. I am vegetarian partly due to my strong objections to factory farming and the institutionalized animal cruelty involved in most meat production.

 

[Mikey44]

That is absolutely SICK! I mean come on, they have to do that to the animals while they're alive??? This is insane, and beyond cruelty...terrible, shameful!

 

[theworldwithout]

I watched part of this vid a few months ago. I couldn't even watch it all, only about halfway through before I stopped it. The whole thing made me quite pissed that people could do that to a living thing.

 

[Eternaldarkness]

Oh my god, no..oh my god is not enough, its more like "what the fuck" to be exact.

I had to stop the clip right after he started skinning the first one, it was too intensed for me.

I have seen more gruesome things on the internet that I can handle, but honestly, this is one of the clips I cannot dare to go on further.

I understand the need for one person to do certain things inorder to keep a job and to survive all together, or for certain acts different industries must do to keep business going, but this is absolutely crazy and unnecessary.

For a person to lose away humanity and their own self-conscience to perform or allow such acts to be done on live animals, they should be fucking executed. There is no excuse for this.

I would rather if the animal is dead or they have shot it dead first atleast. To be honest, I've never cared for too much about the making of fur. My whole perception of this completely change once I see these animals being skinned alive.

I immediately had a thought. What if one day these animals become extinct. What are they going to use next? Dogs and cats, animals that we considered as household pets? How would you like to wear that?

 

[Pushyourluck]

I love PETA and the work they do in preventing animal cruelty. I love how they confront these shallow, mind numbingly dumb female celebrities who wear fur and think it's okay. People should realise how a product has come to be in front of them and why it retails at such a high price. Then they should ask themselves if they can deal with an animals suffering and blood on their hands just for the sake of a piece of clothing.

People interested in prevention of animal cruelty across all of the major industry's should check out the other PETA clips, particularly the ones about KFC and their complete disregard for the welfare of the chickens they openly abuse on a daily basis.

 

[luminum]

And yet, I'd feel so much more compelled to listen to PETA if they didn't bridge into extremism. I remember this video, and it adds to the reasons why I don't support or wear fur-based products. And I would be far more willing to pay for meat where the animal it came from was raised well and treated well instead of inhumanely pent up and brutally treated. However, something tells me that it wouldn't be enough for PETA.

 

[maxpowr9]

And yet, I'd feel so much more compelled to listen to PETA if they didn't bridge into extremism.

I agree. Even with PETA's extremism, the videos the capture are also of extreme cases. Nearly all cases are done ethically.

 

[Pushyourluck]

Bare in mind that animals are defenseless. They have no voice. Sometimes being extreme is the only way to get through to these greedy bastards that it isn't ok to treat so called "lesser" beings than yourself with complete disregard. Thank God there's still people in the world willing to stand up for what they believe in without the fear of the politically correct brigade coming along to stop them.

 

[Geminodas]

I feel so sick right now. Those poor things were still alive...Is it wrong of me to hope that someone skins those people leatherface style?

 

[luminum]

Bare in mind that animals are defenseless. They have no voice. Sometimes being extreme is the only way to get through to these greedy bastards that it isn't ok to treat so called "lesser" beings than yourself with complete disregard. Thank God there's still people in the world willing to stand up for what they believe in without the fear of the politically correct brigade coming along to stop them.

Or, being extreme is a way to alienate the people you're trying to convince. Extremism is easy when you're frustrated, but it doesn't get your message across effectively because it just drives people away. Throwing paint on runway show models doesn't teach them that they shouldn't be using fur, it just teaches them to beat your ass with tighter security if they see you with a paint can. Threatening people with paint and violence so that they don't wear fur hasn't made them see your side of the argument, it only terrorizes them into complying with your ends.

I think one of the best comics I saw was a "Hart in the City" where a guy is picketing with a sign, a sandwich board sign, about how fur is murder and blah blah blah blah, and a woman in fur coat comes up to him and laughs about how in the end, no one would listen to someone like him and she still has a nice fur coat at the end of the day. Hart walks up to her and whispers slyly that the coat makes her look fat and she throws it away and Hart winks to the guy.

Making fur unfashionable is one way to stop it. Educating people with videos like these is another more gruesome way to do it, but it's the truth. But screaming obscenities and throwing stuff at people only makes them believe that you're a lunatic and cannot be listened to.

 

[Pushyourluck]

I never said I agreed with the really extreme actions some animal rights protestors carry out. I just know how desperate people feel to protect animals from harm and how that desperation and frustration can overspill into acts of violence, something that I don't condone in any way but can understand why it happens.

Mostly PETA carry out peaceful protests and have gone down the route of asking celebrity spokespeople to join their causes in order to gain the public's interest.

Sadly the mindframe of the fashion industy is one of pure vanity,greed and arrogance that whether fur is seen as cruel and barbaric, certain fashion houses will always use it to provoke a reaction and to sell their brand.

 

[asahibeer]

You know what? I thought "Ok, how bad can it be...I'll watch it". But fucking hell, that is by far the most disturbing thing I've ever seen. I couldn't force myself to watch any further after the first raccoon. The thing that struck me most was how completely defenceless the animals were - it never really struck home until I watched the vid. Even if the video did portray an extreme case, I'll never be able to take anyone who wears fur seriously now.

 

[theblackajah]

http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp

So, there's also THAT video, about animal factory farming.

I honestly don't know where to stand- I love animals, and I'm an environmentalist. But... when it comes to animal farming, I can't really be against it as we are, after all, still animals- we must consume to survive. What I AM against, however, is animal cruelty for non-survival purposes- such as raising veal calves cruelly for extra-tender meat. I'd never eat veal- I'd rather have regular meat, without the extra-tenderness, if it means the animal suffered less.

As for the fur farming- that is just plain inexcusable. We no longer have a NEED for fur. The only people who can justifiably use fur are the people living in extreme cold climates without access to synthetic materials to keep warm. Otherwise, you're wearing blood on your shoulders. Disgusting.

 

[Raven03]

While I didnt watch the video that was posted I am sure it is like the other ones I have seen. It is horrific the way they treat those animals and some of them seem to get off on torturing those animals before killing them.

 

[Eternaldarkness]

Another question, why were those animals skinned alive? I mean, will the fur be any difference if the animal is dead?

 

[Heartbreak]

I feel bad for just eating a bacon sandwhich. I feel bad for living in world where animals have to suffer like this. Makes me sick to be human.

 

[Eternaldarkness]

They were beating it with sticks, whats more damage can a bullet through the head be?

I know in most asian countries, the ways to kill an animal is to drown it in the river by tying a bag over its head and then forcefully push them down below the water. This is how they prepare "dogs" to be eaten.

but skinning it alive is wayyyy too much.

 

[luminum]

dogs and cats are already being used for the same purposes in countries like china. dogs and cats are skinned alive and then thrown in fire after their furs are removed. i've even seen a video of a squirrel having the same fate. i used to think that there's good in everyone of us...obviously, there are those who are simply evil people who, in my opinion, should be skinned alive as well.

Yet yoru concept of evil centers around a moral system where you were brought up believing that animals are different from any other resource on the planet. (Why do I feel like I've argued this before...?) For people who grow up and are taught that animals are another resource, where they cannot afford the luxury to follow time consuming guidelines in order to make a meager living, what does skinning an animal alive mean to them? What does a dog mean to them sentimentally if it's always been used for food and not as companions and pets?

While you and I may not agree with their treatment of animals, you haven't been brought up with their moral standards or their living situations and you really are in no position to call them "evil".

 

[frankfrank]

I believe they just don't want to damage the fur or anything by shooting it.

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm sure they don't use the fur from the HEAD, do they? What does it matter if the fur on the head is screwed up with a bullet hole, or if the neck is severed Guillotine-style?

I won't even CONSIDER watching this video. From its description, it entirely crosses the line of tolerability for me - it's been described adequately by your posts (THANK YOU for the heads-up). I'd rather not watch something that might end up fucking with my mind for weeks or months. I'll trust Marbas on this one.

I'll remain reluctantly "satisfied" knowing what I know goes on, and I don't need to watch it.

It's gotta be 8 or 9 years ago, at a film festival, I saw a short film about factory farming - perhaps the one linked in this thread (which I won't watch, either). One scene where they savagely beat a young pig, which continued to SCREAM while writhing in pain, still fucks with me. Without warning, I almost puked on the spot. It's the only time in my lifetime I remember having such a reaction to "merely seeing" something.

However, PETA has a radical/extremist edge to them that I have a lot of trouble getting my hands around, too. I had a news article where they, in Hawai'i I think, exterminated a LOT of unclaimed dogs in ways that seemed to be rather hideous. I'll try to post it in here if I can find it, but I think I deleted it a while ago during one of my occasional "de-clutterings" of my e-mail files.

Some of the PETA people have suggested that there should absolutely NEVER be animal research of any kind, for any reason whatsoever. Now it's the Animal Liberation Front that is like on the lunatic fringe of extremism, but I've also seen PETA say that it's not worth sacrificing some animals even if it leads to advances which will avoid billions of hours of human suffering.

 

[Human1]

I would consider that intended torture because theres absolutly no way they couldn't figure out how to kill the animals first.

I can't wait for us to become animals after we die...