Picture me + The butcher's son. AHH!

[Letterbomb]

That's kinda my first thread in the relationships board. So listen, I AM IN LOVE WITH THE BUTCHER'S SON! (Yes, I needed to uppercase this!) He's a butcher now too, FYI.

But let's start from the beginning: Among the about 10 butchers me and my BFF Bianca go to, there's this guy who does NOT fit into the butcher (fat pale and fugly) so me & this Bianca mostly buy our meat there... She is usually so talkative to him, while I mostly stand with her and wait till we can get out of that shop so I can put on more perfume. I mean meat odor simply sucks! But yesterday (this time but 1 hour earlier) he kinda started to attempt communication with me, and he started with his butcher jokes, of course I acted like it was funny and laughed (my friend, for the first time in her life didn't laugh, just to show you how boring these jokes were) and then after finishing joking and having paid for my meat, we went outta there, but of course my friend had to say something. Of course... "Hey, Mark, next time pick the good parts." And he looked at me and said while looking at me with a highly promiscuous smile: "Sure, faithful clients like you deserve the best meeeat!" And I said to her: did I even say anything? And she said: "No". But I could feel the good vibes between you, I mean just so you can talk to each other, he said this stupid joke... Perhaps he's gay too! Ask him out! Do you like him too???" My heart said: "You bet" but my mouth said: "Perhaps... Ah nay!". I mean I was always attracted to the little chest hairs coming out of his red butcher uniform or these teeth... Mmm and that black hair, and those dark chocolate eyes. I totally figured out that HE was the reason for the butterflies in my tummy, not the badly made Starbucks coffee we just drank. Goddess! And guess about whom I thought while jerking off today? No, not some of the guys on the front page of this site, but Mark. I so totally need to figure out if he likes me too! Or if he is gay at all!
The next day I woke up early, I got "Dubliners" from my first love: The public library!

And while getting the book packaged in a bag by the library woman and giving her the money, guess who was right next too me? Yes, correct guess It was Mark! He took the Unified Theory, I mean, he is even intelligent. He IS perfect... Unlike me who was smiling at him like someone with a anaesthesiated-jaw, and then the librarian noticed that my thoughts were someone else so she said with her oh-so-tender high voice: "Here's your book, Ryan" and I took it then. Then Mark did something that totally made my day, he passionately caressed my arm (I was wearing an A-Shirt, it was a hottday. No pun intended!) till the librarian (guess what, she has a name, too! Chloë!!) looked at us. Then we went out and I kinda acted like he didn't caress myarm to see what he'll do, and he then came to me and asked me out for a date in the park tomorrow. JACKPOT! I can't await to see what is coming next (i.e tomorrow) But in case he's a serial killer or something (butcher? killer? for a half-vegetarian, these are very close things!) I'll bring Bianca for my protection (she once broke the arm of a karate-teacher when he touched her boobs.)

Do you actually know this feeling? When you stopped accepting the existence of "love" as a human feeling because of the heartache you get after breaking up with your then-BF? And do you think that it spoils the romantic to bring Bianca with me? (She'll hide.) I've actually done this for many of my dates, but it's not a blind-date or something, I've known him for years now... Well, tomorrow we'll see how it'll end. But I just can't wait!! That must be the reason while I'm still on the Internets instead of sleeping. But I'm pretty sure the thinking about him will help me get to sleep

 

[Letterbomb]

You know, she is my very best friend, and she always thinks she has to "protect" me during my dates. In case they intend to "do something they will regret". But it's not a blind date or an internet flirt so it's totally unnecessary to "protect" me, but she insists to come...

 

[ElMmSM]

Good for you! Free meat for life!

 

[Blueboy369]

If you bring Bianca, He's not going to be as open and receptive as he would be if you guys were alone. Relax and meet up with him on a friendly level and tell Bianca to find her own butcher! Please let us know how it goes.

 

[Just_Believe18]

You couldn't have asked for a better man to handle your meat

 

[Letterbomb]

Hey guys! Thanks for the many answers!
Well, as requested I'm gonna tell you how it was:
Yes, Bianca came, but he didn't notice her, he prepared a pick-nick including thins like swiss cheese (which I love) and Vintage wine (which I had to politely decline and I told him that I was straight-edge) and he smelled like (no, not "Teen Spirit") Fahrenheit 9/11 (the fragrance, not the movie). After a while I made a sign to my very good friend so that she understands she has to respect my right to privacy... He said that he'll complete high school this year (even thought he's older than me (I'm in college) which seemed questionable at the beginning but which I could confirm) so I wished him good look for his SAT or whatever they do know and stuff. Wow, even thought he can read the Unified Theory, he isn't brilliant at HS. Whatever. After a while, he blindfolded me (I hate getting that done from "strangers") and said we'll be driving to a more intimate place than the main public park of the city, which I thought would be his humble abode which isn't very far from Main Street. But it was a dirt road in a forest nearby! Well, the surprise was successful! And then he was talking about the beauty of the virgin nature and global warming and blah-blah-blah, till he finally said something my taste:

You know, you are the first man* that loves me for my intellect and not for my good looks (uhh...) And I wanted to tell you that you are have a fabulous (he is gay he HAD to say this sometime) sense of humor, and a gorgeous smile (couldn't he say something like "you're so Einstein!"?) and I think that I fell in love with you...

*he said man, not boy. And he can correctly pronounce the word "intellect". YES!
I know, that's so kitsch. But I love that! Then our lips approached... and you know the rest.
But I didn't really "love" the next thing that he did: he caressed my head and started moving it down till his crotch. And then I had this fight between the imaginary angel and devil on my shoulder. The devil was like: "Come on, it's not like the first time you have sex on the first date, and it's not a hook-up or one night stand, you LOVE each other!" and the angel was like: "What about your moral values? Do you really want to become one of those guys with a double-moral, a hypocrite? Is that what you wanna be? Preaching safer sex and condemning sex outside an established relationship but doing it yourself?". I accepted what the little devil said, the angel had to many arguments and was way to rational for me (I don't study maths, so it ain't my taste ) so I worked my way down his zipper... But then I was like : "You know, I'm just not ready for this... I just can't do this." And he was like: "Well, Ok, I just kinda hought that you wanted it too..." And I finally said: "Can't we just admire the landscape". After an hour he took me back home, and he said: "And you..." And I said: "Not tonight..."
Bianca was so right, he only wanted me for my body! I mean, I thought he was different from other guys. But after a while I was like "why didn't you? he was hot, and you love each other. And it's not like your first time or something." And while in the lift there was this other cute guy which was smoking, I usually start screaming propaganda into the ears of smokers like "that's prohibited in public places including lifts!" but this time I simply smiled at him and that bulge behind his Burberry shorts till I actually forget that I had to get out at the 5th floor... And I was kinda thinking: "I guess that's simply lust, not love. Was that what I felt for Mark, was I only sexually and not romatically attracted to him?". But then I thought that I'd have had sex with him if it was only for his body. So I do really love him, I mean, I don't want to overspeed things so that doesn't ruin our possible future relationship. I mean I was kinda right! ... was I? Damn. That's sooo confusing!!! Now that my cellphone has one more number in it, my brain has something else to think about. Shit. I'm sooo confused and stuff!

 

[TheOnenOnly]

awww what a sweet but funny story at the sametime

OMG!! XD lol why didn't u go with the little devil!! hehehe don't worry there's always next time =]

 

[gotdimples77]

well...why dont you see him again then?

 

[Just_Believe18]

Um, don't you just ask him on another date?

Good choice in taking it slow. See how true of a gentleman he really is. Although, isn't it a bit premature to say the two of you are in love? Especially if you believe you're suspicious of his motives?

You like each other.

And you're straight-edge? Really? How long?

 

[billybob109]

last time i checked buthers are "fat and fugly" but if he gives you butterflies then go for it.

 

[Letterbomb]

Um, don't you just ask him on another date?

Good choice in taking it slow. See how true of a gentleman he really is. Although, isn't it a bit premature to say the two of you are in love? Especially if you believe you're suspicious of his motives?

You like each other.

And you're straight-edge? Really? How long?

Darling, I am 21. I am not mature (I hate the word "premature", it makes me think of a premature ejaculation *barf*)

And as you already said "premature", wouldn't be unmature [sic] to judge a person from the second date? I'll wait more till I see his real face, because I really don't wanna lose him. (And come on, how many gays wouldn't fuck on the first date?)

I've been straight edge since the day of my birth: I was raised in a very conservative family, so that explains many things... So that must be why I don't drink; and I don't smoke (and will never be together with a smoker) because my dad smokes, and as a child I've always hated this.
But I'm not totally straight edge, like I'm not vegan/vegetarian (well, he's a butcher!) or abstinent. Are we talking about the same "straight edge".
Well, for him, I've gotta say that we are now officially a couple, we talked directly about all that, and he actually said that he thought that I was flirting, and I said of course I was flirting, but that doesn't mean that I'm looking for a one-night-stand/hook-up and that I'm the serious kind of guy; to what he answered that he loved me too and doesn't want spoil the existing connection between us so he respects my "needs" (Isn't that kinda sarcastic?) and that means he'll stay together with me and not request any sexual services (God, that sounds like from a retired prostitute!) till we are both ready to do it and not under pressure from the other partner and that we'll stay faithful to each other from now as we're a couple now. Isn't he a honey? A propos honey(moon): As can be seen on my signature (well, of course if you can read French) he'll accompany me to my trip to Québec City (which I planned for the end of this semester from the day of the beginning of the semester). Well in fact I'll accompany him because I was going by train, but as he's got a car, it's gonna be much much better! We can stop on forests on the road and picnic and talk and stuff. (I do like picnics indeed)
And in the 1.5 week meanwhile, we'll have enough time to discover the "needs" and wishes, AND limits of each other and really test our compatibility. I'm gonna post if there's something worthy to say. And there IS mostly something worthy to say.
BTW: I'm kinda interested into getting physical with him on the next date, but I fear that I'll be perceived as a promiscuous boy (like in the Nelly Furtado song ) or a whore by my entourage, or do you think that it won't hurt my reputation? Because, well, I'm getting more physically attracted to him, too. 5 years ago (we were both minors) and in a hot summer day when pretty much everyone in the neighborhood went with the bus to Boston to swim, I remember how hot he looked, and now I can actually do more than just watch... You know, I have this fetish for breasts with only few nipple hairs (I'm not alone) and he totally matches (well, he matched) that fantasy, but another argument is that waiting more makes it more beautiful when it happens. Well, I think I just gotta let things go and see what'll happen next.

 

[rareboy]

Well we can hardly wait for him to put his meat in your mouth.

It sounds like he is mature, at least.

I notice throughout your posts that you are quick to assume too much about everything.

-All butchers are not fat and ugly.

-What a person does for a living does not limit their intelligence. Certainly, he probably knows that the proper term is 'anaesthetized' and will not take kindly to your a priori presumption that he is somehow intellectually inferior.

-Being sexually abstinent does not automatically make you superior or a better person.

I would agree with you though, that from your posts, you are definitely not mature and this may explain a lot about how you approach the world. One also gets the impression that your parents and teachers have a lot to answer for.

BTW. Fucking is just fucking sometimes.

And sometimes it seals the deal. Just keep pushing him away though and I can guarantee he won't have time for such silly and childish games.

 

[TheOnenOnly]

lol Letterbomb just wanted to say love the avatar you got on that's 110% true

 

[rareboy]

^ Sorry, you misread the intent.

There's way more in play here than reticence to fuck someone on the first date if you read the posts again.

I'm not condemning abstinence at all, but I think there is a pejorative inference by the OP that having sex makes people sluts or whores etc.

and the angel was like: "What about your moral values? Do you really want to become one of those guys with a double-moral, a hypocrite? Is that what you wanna be? Preaching safer sex and condemning sex outside an established relationship but doing it yourself?"

I'm kinda interested into getting physical with him on the next date, but I fear that I'll be perceived as a promiscuous boy (like in the Nelly Furtado song ) or a whore by my entourage, or do you think that it won't hurt my reputation?

There's so much going on here, way beyond just not being ready to fuck some guy.

And being a cock tease and then asking someone to just enjoy the scenery is a childish game. And avoiding sex because you think it might hurt your reputation among your 'entourage' (which means they all must be sitting on the edge of the bed watching?)( and who, other than celebrities and politicians or royalty actually
have an entourage?)( and why the fuck would you have to share your sex life with an entourage anyway?) is also childish and shouldn't be the first concern if you really want to establish a full relationship with someone.

If I were the butcher's son, I'd run like hell and find someone who doesn't think they are intellectually and morally superior to me, or putting the opinions of an 'entourage' ahead of feelings and passion. He sounds too nice to put up with this kind of shit from anyone.

 

[Letterbomb]

^ You really do not need to get personal. Really not.
And I am very well able to establish long lasting relationships where I can totally guarantee that my partners were happy with me, and I am not a virgin FYI. And well, while you probably didn't get that I meant my close friends with "entourage", I have to ask you something: don't you ever talk to your close friends about sex? (which I doubt that you have according to your prejudice and aggressivity) And thanks very much for telling me that I am forcing him to put up with some shit. Very nicely expressed BTW! You never got to know me, and you will actually find out that I am a friendly person to hang out with and that I do not think that I am superior to you in any way. See? Not everyone calls firefighters when they see a burning cigarette.

I'll stop posting this thread. Screw you rareboy*, I'm going home.

*and thank God you're "rare".