Please stop comparing Obama to JFK!

[iman]

Kennedy commanded a PT boat in combat, served 6 years in the House and 7 years in the Senate. Obama has served 1 year in the Senate. Regardless of how good he makes you feel, he is plainly not qualified to be President.

 

[tmb1]

I did watch and I am saying there's not much there there.

You support his candidacy, you claim to be excited by the hope and change he symbolizes and yet you're "too tired" to show us the specifics of the change he plans to implement and how he's going to do it.

If you're too tired now, how much energy will you and his other supporters have during a contest against the Republican machine that's not going to go easy on him like Hillary has, or if he won the White House, in pushing forward a vague agenda against the agenda of Republicans?

You mentioned McCain. Okay. Example of Obama's vagueness and vulnerability. In the last debate Hillary warned that if John McCain is the Republican nominee, "we know that once again we will have a general election about national security. That is what will happen. I believe of any one of us, I am better positioned and better able to take on John McCain or any Republican when it comes to issues about protecting and defending our country and promoting our interest in the world."

If Obama had a specific vision, a strong sense of where he wants to take America and how he's going to do it, he could have used that as an opening to take off. But he didn't. He responded, "I believe that the way we are going to take on somebody like a John McCain on national security is not that we're sort of -- we've been sort of like John McCain, but not completely, you know, we voted for the war, but we had reservations. I think it's going to be somebody who can serve as a strong contrast and say, 'we've got to overcome the politics of fear in this country."

Obama's now been campaigning for a long time, and even in the Democratic primary he's unable to make a forceful case about national security. How do you think he'd fare against a decorated war hero like John McCain once Republicans amp up the real politics of fear?





I asked you to show me the information Obama has provided that I may have missed. I'm always eager to learn more. I remember JFK energized people into action. But you're "too tired."

Nothing I say to you will change your mind. That is the part I am too tired about, people making uninformed posts and then they claim to know but still want me to explain it to them(even when they really dont want to know) You havent missed anything on him if you are informed, you just arent "getting it", nothing I can do to help you there.

 

[tmb1]

musicman, your argument is the same tired "dont come out of the closet for fear of being rejected or even killed" argument. They are no different, fear of the unknown. Its time this country face its fears and at least TRY to move forward. To not support or vote for a candidate for fear of their safety is no different than the KKK member not voting for him because of his color. They love people to fall into this fear trap cuz in the end they get what they want either way, a non-black president.

 

[White Eagle]

It is painfully obvious that Bush has been quite hated by lots of people, citizen and foreigner, in a very dangerous time. Secret Service has gotten better at their job since Kennedy, I guess, where Reagan survives and all of Bush's have been thwarted (or failed, like a grenade was thrown on stage once, iirc). Anyone who is president is a target from reasons obvious (tyrant) to ones we can't fathom (like impressing lesbian). So, really, this is not a good argument to vote against Obama---it's just scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I've never been to Disney Land. Or Disney World either (which is closer to where I live).

I saw a video clip of boy george this past week. The video was taken awhile back over in Iraq or Afgh. He was shaking hands with our soldiers over there and the secret service was watching everyone very closely to see if they meant him any harm. It must be worse than any other president since so many people hate him. I'm sure that the SS would be there for Obama. His presidency would draw out the assholes that want to see him gone.
Any president in these times will be a target.

 

[JayHawk]

What color is the sky in your world?

The SS watches everything. What a disgusting assertion.

 

[White Eagle]

^^If you are talking to me, SS means the Secret Service. I meant they watch boy george closely to keep him alive and they would do the same for Obama.
If you think I meant SS as Nazi then you are very wrong.
You know me better than that.

 

[JayHawk]

I understand your abbreviation. You infer that the US Military were the suspects IRT to the SS scrutiny because even they wanna harm "boy george". I find that a disgusting thought on your part.

 

[White Eagle]

No! That isn't what I meant at all. But I do see your point. The point I was making is that the SS watch all things around them. And it cannot be denied that they do it everywhere.

 

[iman]

Swiftboater iman, out to sacrifice anything to tear down Obama. Why can't you be honest?

Facts please. Where is the dishonesty?

 

[JayHawk]

No! That isn't what I meant at all. But I do see your point. The point I was making is that the SS watch all things around them. And it cannot be denied that they do it everywhere.

Gotcha, well my apologies. I read it different but I can see both ways.

Guys, is this true?

My understanding is that he'd served one TERM in the Senate.

If it really has been only one year---you guys are out of your mind for supporting him!

Why is it necessary for an American to have some substantial influence on their behavior by years in one wing of the govt to be successful at another?

I really dont get that. I guess having years of experience at one thing makes you "trained" to do the job but if that is the case then in September you need to vote for the only Governor left in the race. Making law is not enforcing law or reaching across the aisle.

 

[LatinoSTAR]

Comparing Obama to JFK is a very bad omen.

I've met several people who believe that, if Obama's elected, he'll get assassinated. I tend to agree.

Yeah, it will probably be some Racist Redneck from Alabama.


But im still voting for Him.

 

[JayHawk]

Ridiculous. I would try to convince you that an economic savant could do nothing if given the reigns of an entire country. I would point out that the common man with no experience is much less likely to be so jaded to a situation that a nuclear attack would be considered. I would also assert that experience making law does not make you a leader.

 

[freedbarton]

Obama is not or ever will be another JFK!!! Just because he has the poor trailer trash from the Oprah Show he should not be the candidate for the democratic party. Hillary is just a southern carpet begger. NickCole no she did not have to work her way up the ranks. When she went to law school is was very easy for women to get into, I do not understand where you got your info.
If the Democratic party chooses on of the two to be the candidate,this Democratic vote will go to whatever Republican that is running. Obama I do not trust, the Clintons I definitely do not trust remember Whitewater.
Who want to see their country's leader showing her feminine side or getting her feeling hurt when someone does not agree with her.
People wake up!!! John Edwards is the only choice for the demoractic candidate.

 

[JayHawk]

I would still vote with Obama before Clinton. I have gone pretty far in life on gut. Hillary makes it turn when she speaks, when she smiles and I can not get past that. Have you ever just simply not liked someone?

In contrast to what you all have thrown out about "diapers" and inexperience, The Chicago tribune seems to indicate they trusted a fresh face and he was able to effectively work through issues. Thats what we need. Hillary will not be able to rule carte blanche regardless of the membership of congress. She is a devisive figure in my opinion and we can not do anything with a confrontational President.

 

[JayHawk]

John Edwards is DOA. SO now make a choice from the candidates.

 

[Kulindahr]

Comparing Obama to JFK is a very bad omen.

I've met several people who believe that, if Obama's elected, he'll get assassinated. I tend to agree.

The idea that we would be intimidated by the possibility that our leader would be killed by a nutcase or a organized effort is a cowardly reason to not support.

I think if we can assure George Bush's safety in the middle east then protecting Obama will not be an issue.

A determined, intelligent assassin who knows his target's schedule cannot be stopped -- provided he doesn't care if he lives.

I understand your abbreviation. You infer that the US Military were the suspects IRT to the SS scrutiny because even they wanna harm "boy george". I find that a disgusting thought on your part.

Actually, the SS tend to look at things that way: everyone is a danger to POTUS until shown to be trustworthy.
In bodyguards, that's a virtue.


Yes, there's a high probability that any president who is hated may be assassinated. Indeed, the example of Robert Kennedy demonstrates that a mere candidate who is hated may be assassinated.
But it's not only Obama at risk: Hillary is hated, and could well be the target of an assassin just for being a woman; Romney, as a Mormon, could easily be a target; McCain... Huckabee... any of them have a strong coterie of haters.

Any candidate who gets into the game knows he's become a target -- faced, that, and accepted it. Anyone who backs off supporting a candidate because of that same consideration is, IMHO, demeaning the candidate's decision.

 

[White Eagle]

Gotcha, well my apologies. I read it different but I can see both ways.

Yeah my apologies also. I come up with two ways to look at something a lot. Don't know how to see it. Just bear with me.

 

[Kulindahr]

Mazda, I'm absolutely flabbergasted; I'd thought Obama had served one full term, and was on his second.

This changes EVERYTHING.

You've got a man, responsible for the largest economy in the world, and with his finger on the nuclear button, who's had only one year of experience? Why, hell, he's still in DIAPERS!

I won't support him, now, even if he gets the nomination. The responsibility of governing the US is just too large for such a political infant.

Population of Illinois: ~13 million

There are nations with smaller numbers -- Sweden, Austria, Greece, Cuba, New Zealand, and Switzerland, to name a few. In fact, more than half the world's nations have fewer people than the State of Illinois.

Maybe it's not Washington -- but would we suggest that someone who's served in the legislature of New Zealand isn't qualified to take on executive duties?

It's not really the President's job to manage the economy; it's not in his job description in the Constitution. It is his job to be able to pick people who know these things, however. We should be asking not whether Obama is superhuman with the talent and skill to manage seventeen different things before breakfast and seventeen more during it, but whether he has the ability to pick people to manage those seventeen different things -- and the other seventeen, too.

 

[JackFTwist]

Guys, is this true?

My understanding is that he'd served one TERM in the Senate.

If it really has been only one year---you guys are out of your mind for supporting him!

ignorance from all directions

his term of office began January 2005.

you can do the math.

I hope.

 

[JayHawk]

Mazda, I sure agree with you on that! A vote for Edwards is a wasted vote.

What has saddened me the most about all this is how polarized we've become. Is this a master strategy on the part of the Republicans? Divide and conquer, indeed.

I respect your opinion on Obama. He's a fine man in every respect; I cannot find a single fault with him in terms of his personality. He has it all---except the experience.

He's just too green, that's the only thing. I cannot bring myself to vote for him, now, after learning about his one year in political experience. There's no way I'll vote Republican, so if Obama gets nominated, I probably just won't vote.

One thing to note---he's been handled with kid gloves by the press--so far. If he gets the nomination, it'll get pretty fuckin' ugly. I would actually feel sorry for him...

I dont know about the press killin obama. Remember they were incredibly nice to McCain when he was running around on his bus a few years back because he was accessable. Same with John Edwards IMHO. No one likes Edwards, at least not a majority of anywhere.

So if Obama gets the focus and if he is as charming as people indicate then the press that is attached at his hip can become just as swooned.

Someone ask earlier what Bill Clinton did to the press. HMMMM.... how about when he accused the reporter of not caring what the public wants. SOmething like

"You guys don't care what the public wants, nobody cares about that (racism) but you keep bringing it up"
----I didnt look for the quote so dont kill me.

I can see many journalist being a bit more critical after being accused of not caring. Especially when you consider most reporters do so to help people. They feel as if they are doing a justand noble thing for mankind. By and far they are correct. SO to tell them that they are inventive or uncaring is the epitomy of suicide as a publicist for your wife. It has to be incredibly insulting for the press.

While many may disagree with what journalist report, to the point that they claim bias, well that is fine. But do not chop off your nose to spite your face. Bill has effectively done that with the press and the sparks will glimmer for a while now.