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Pokémon / Pokemon Platinum

Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

Sorry; but if the goal is liberation of the pokemon, why is that you capture them and put them into little balls where they can't even run around...? So not buying it...

RG
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

N: What I want is a world of only Pokémon...
By separating Pokémon from people, they will regain their natural power.
...Now. This will be our final battle.
I am prepared! Even if my Pokémon friends are wounded, my beliefs will prevail!
...Since you have come this far, certainly you must feel something similar?
If you do, I ask you to come forth and show it to me! Prepare yourself!!

N: You came all this way with the intent to battle me...
...Yet Reshiram is not reacting.
Does it still not recognize you as a hero?
How disappointing...
...I'd taken quite a liking to you, though.
In all our battles, I felt you could be a Trainer who valued their Pokémon!
...But it seems that was nothing more than a baseless assumption!
Yes, as much as Trainers fight, they can never build an understanding!
You have two options!
Fight a hopeless battle...?
Or else leave here, and let Pokémon be separated from humans to form a new world?
N: Come, Zekrom!
(Zekrom bursts in through the wall in an intense cutscene.)
[Is the Light Stone... moving inside the bag?!]
N: Your Light Stone is...!
No... Reshiram is...!
(The Light Stone floats out in front of Zekrom.)
[The aura-wrapped Light Stone radiated an immense power!]
[And now...]
[It's releasing...!!]
(Reshiram is summoned from the stone in another intense cutscene.)
N: Zekrom and Reshiram...
Originally one life... one Pokémon.
Distinctly opposite, yet exactly the same entity.
Zekrom and Reshiram both appeared before ones they recognize as heroes...
...I see. And yes, as is the same with you.
Do you hear the Pokémon speaking? Let me tell you what he says.
"I want to fight you... Make me your ally!"
He wants to test if you have come this far seeking truth...
I want to know your power as well... Now! Catch Reshiram... befriend him!!

(You're forced to catch Reshiram. If you make him faint, he comes back and "look at White as if saying "Catch me!""
If you run out of Poké Balls, you can warp out and buy some. If you run out of money... maybe N gives you one or something.
And he can be easily caught in orange health with a normal Poké Ball. So... yeah.
After catching him, if your party is full, it asks you to replace one of your Pokémon with him. ...And it just forces you to after two "no"s.)

N: ...I see.
It is said that power was lent to the hero who pursued truth. Reshiram has recognized your power and chosen to walk with you, then...
N: Now...
Your Pokémon are wounded. Winning against such an opponent would be meaningless.
[N recovered White's Pokémon!]
N: I have seen the future!
I WILL win!!

Team Plasma Member N challenged you to a battle!
(After one hit:)
...You think you can stop us with that?!
(After sending out his last Pokémon:)
My final friend... Lend me your courage!
(When his last Pokémon is below half health:)
Do you mean the world has not chosen me, but you?!
(End of battle:)
With this... my ideal... Pokémon's dreams... they have crumbled...

N: ... ... ... ... ... ...
...Zekrom and I have been beaten.
Your thoughts... your truth... Is that what has bested me...?

N: Reshiram and Zekrom...
Those two chose heroes upon varying qualities... Is that the case?
Two heroes in the same era, one seeking the ideal, one seeking the truth, coexisting... is that correct?
...I don't understand.
I would not deny differing ideas.
In fact, in accepting differing ideas, the world will experience a chemical reaction.
This... is the formula that can change the world...

(Ghetsis comes in.)
Ghetsis: Even still, are you not of the Harmonia name, the same as I?
What a worthless son...
Ghetsis: From the very beginning...
N's revival of the legendary ideal-seeking Pokémon in our time...
It was all for the glory of MY Team Plasma! To manipulate the fearful populace!
You did well to come that far.
But you wanted to fight a fellow, belief-driven Trainer who could also subdue a legendary Pokémon, to see if you were a true hero...
And in the end, you were beaten by a petty commoner for it, you utter fool!
It seems being raised with Pokémon only made you a wretched and imperfect human in the end...
White! I had not the slightest conception of the legendary Pokémon choosing a Trainer like you...
Yet nothing will impede me toward my goal! I will not falter!
So that I shall rule the world with an iron fist!
So that I can manipulate the hearts of those humans who know but nothing!
N has served as the king of Team Plasma.
But you know the truth of why that is...
And for getting in my way, I will have to eliminate you!
(Alder and Cheren come in.)
Cheren: ...Rule the world?
Wasn't Team Plasma's goal to liberate Pokémon?
Ghetsis: That was but a lie told to help in the construction of Team Plasma.
What good would come of letting useful things like Pokémon free?
But by manipulating Pokémon, the potential of humans grows tremendously. You must acknowledge that!
And so! It would be most pleasing for I to be the only one using Pokémon!
Alder: ...You dirty, deceiving...!
Ghetsis: Regardless.
Now then... that which is called a god, but is ultimately only a Pokémon...
And White, the one it has recognized! You have much to fear...
Now, have at you!
I wish to see that glorious flash of despair upon your face!
N: White!!
Ghetsis: Try what you may! I shall not be stopped!

Team Plasma Member Ghetsis challenged you to a battle!
(After one hit:)
Ha! I have made ample preparation for THAT!
(After sending out his last Pokémon:)
...Grumble... What could this mean?!
(End of battle:)
My scheme! My perfect scheme to dominate the world!!

Ghetsis: ...What is this?
I am the creator of Team Plasma, the pinnacle of mankind!
Should the world not change to place me in total control?!
Alder: So, N...
What do you think about separating Pokémon and humans now?
Ghetsis: ...Wahaha!
I obtained the legendary Pokémon without even having to be the hero...
That's all I ever needed you for, N!!
Look at yourself! You're a heartless, inhuman monster!
Is it even worth talking with such an aberration as you?
Cheren: Alder.
Listening to this guy's starting to just get annoying.
We all know he's the heartless one here!
Alder: You said it, kiddo... He's just plain hopeless.
N... You must be thinking many things.
But you were never really controlled by Ghetsis.
You weren't pursuing an ideal, just acting according to your own thoughts!
Isn't that why you were able to meet the legendary Pokémon?!
N: ...But me, a hero...?
I meet no such qualifications!
Alder: Is that so?
Well, now that you have the legendary Pokémon, what will you do now...? That's what's important!
N: Try to understand...
We've been arguing over our own beliefs until now.
And yet...! Why?!
Alder: N...
Even if we can't understand each other, there's no reason to reject other ideas!
Humans don't quarrel for the sole purpose of determining who is right... Please, think about that.
(Alder and Cheren take Ghetsis away. Mother 3 Love Theme plays - I mean, uh...)
N: ...There's something I want to talk to you about.
When I first met you back in Accumula Town...
I heard the voices of your Pokémon, and they shocked me...
Why do these Pokémon...
Why do they claim to be... fond of you...?
They said they wanted to be with you...
...I couldn't comprehend.
That there were Pokémon in this world who liked people...
I had no knowledge of such Pokémon until that moment...
And from then on, as my journey continued, my feelings swayed...
Pokémon and people were all selflessly joining their hearts to help each other...
So I wanted to fight you, to ascertain my belief... I wanted to face you as a fellow hero. That I desired...
I considered only Pokémon... no, only those poor Pokémon I had known, even...
I should never have opposed you when you were surrounded by Pokémon who love you...
N: ...Well, the Champion has forgiven me, but...
My life is now in my own hands...
(N lets Zekrom out of his Poké Ball.)
White!!

[If you answered no to "Do you share my dream?" in Chargestone Cave]
You... must have dreams!
Believe in them, and walk whatever paths to fulfill them! And someday, surely, your dreams shall be realized!!

[If you answered yes]
You said you had a dream... That dream... must be realized!
Your wonderful dreams, your ideals... have the power to change the world!
White! You can do it!!

Well, then...
Farewell...!


I really hope you didn't write this all out yourself!
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

Sorry; but if the goal is liberation of the pokemon, why is that you capture them and put them into little balls where they can't even run around...? So not buying it...

RG
I just beat the game 2 nites ago and found the script online its an exact rip of the script how is it not more clear what the storyline was about?
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

I just beat the game 2 nites ago and found the script online its an exact rip of the script how is it not more clear what the storyline was about?

AAAAAnddddd thanks for ruining the game for everyone who hasn't played it... :rolleyes:
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

Kris, relax a little man. I don't think a lot of people around here would have played through the Black and White versions, so it's probably not the best place to discuss the subtext in the dialogue. Perhaps there's a Pokemon enthusiast forum, where people would pay more attention to such things? I'm not sure.

I have to admit, when I first read through the OP, I rolled my eyes a little. It kind of felt like you were clasping at straws; wanting so badly to find some sort of deep message that you would end up seeing things that 'weren't really there'.

I haven't played the game, and despite what messages it may or may not send (it's subjective, really), I don't really have any interest in reading the text walls of dialogue. I just think this is a case of 'targeting the wrong audience'.

I do think some people were quite jaded in their disagreement; I don't however, think that Corny was one of them. I laughed at his post, and I think you should learn to laugh at yourself sometimes too, it's healthy. I mean, surely you can see that from an outside perspective it seems a little extreme to delve so deeply into something like Pokemon, which has always been a very, very basic game.

I'm sorry that you feel attacked, and I'm sorry if at all I contributed to that. Lighten up a little, yeah? :D
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

You're right I guess I'm being over sensitive I've been put down my whole life nobody has ever praised me for anything I always have to be perfect or like everyone else or fit some standard as a kid and I guess I'm really down lately and im letting everything affect me.
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

You're right I guess I'm being over sensitive I've been put down my whole life nobody has ever praised me for anything I always have to be perfect or like everyone else or fit some standard as a kid and I guess I'm really down lately and im letting everything affect me.

Yes, you are being a little over sensitive, but only because you're taking it as a personal attack; assuming that everyone is out to get you.

I was taken back by the way some people almost vehemently expressed their disagreement. It was most certainly rude and uncalled for, so I can see why you reacted to them the way that you did. All you did was try to open up a discussion about the morals and messages within two video games. Unfortunately, some people are unable to, or simply choose not to, disagree in a way that's respectful.

I'm sorry that you've always felt that you need to adopt a facade to be accepted or to gain approval. Out of all places, this should be one where you don't have to do that. So fuck it, there's always going to be people who don't show you the respect you deserve; but they're the type of people you need not waste your energy on.

Don't take it all to heart. Just ignore all of the bullshit, and if someone posts something that's worth discussing, focus on that.

Try to see the humor sometimes, too --- Banter can be fun :p
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

Same story every thread you make. You post some dumb shit or make yourself look like a complete ass, people call you out or just laugh at you and then you play the victem like you're an injured little mouse.

Don't you ever get sick of this?
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

With Free health care (People insist medicine should be free for if we love eachother we should want everyone to be healthy enough to function)

Is it really health care?

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Though isn't it more free pet health care? Rather than people health care? And it isn't free to buy medicine, its like 1,200 pokédollars (yes they're pokédollars, deal with it!) for a hyper potion.

green energy (Pokemon has wind turbines going in Pearl Diamond Platinum Gold n Silver for DS) stateless world (Regions don't make you pay to visit other regions as the world is not governed by an artificial entity like we are but by the people) and a world of unity are just some of the positive messages being ingrained into the heads of players.

When there's only like 4 houses per town its probably not that hard to use renewable energy sources to power your region. Though most of it probably goes to fueling the pokécentres, especially seeing they have the power to send pokéballs BACK IN TIME!.

Maybe having States would help in cracking down on the terrorist organisations that are roaming around unchecked. Though a terrorist organisation that can be defeated by a single child isn't very effective. Imagine if Osama Bin Laden was defeated by a 12 year old Japanese kid and his pet dog. That'd be awesome!

Problem with putting morals into Pokémon is that they're sandwhich'd between catching wild creatures against they're will by beating them near to death and then keeping them in a small tennis ball sized contraption to either get out whenever you need them to beat the crap out of other peoples pokémon or stored on a PC so you can feel big about taking innocent creatures from their natural habitat just so you can say you've caught all the pokémons!

Its also hard to take morals away from pokémon when its usually the bad guys that are spouting them.
 
Re: Morals Behind Pokemon's Black & White

You might get serious replies in the entertainment section, but then again, you might not get many replies :| Best thing to do is just keep your head up. There will always be people critiquing or whatever you have to say. Listen, but don't let it keep you down.

Off topic: there's a pokemon called devoirs? Is this real? Or they can't think of anymore things?
 
What Pokemon Are YOU?

Shut up and take the quiz, even if you hate Pokemon or don't care about it!


http://www.quibblo.com/quiz/2bVVDr/What-Pokemon-are-YOU?view_quiz=1


Post a picture of the Pokemon you get, too. =D


I got a Blissy....>.> Cuz I'm helpful and nice and blah blah blah.
It's this thing:

blissey.png

(Why?! I'm not pink and flamboyant like that thing. Or maybe I am....>.> No! I'm not.)
 
Re: What Pokemon Are YOU?

^^^you got to be MewTwo and you don't know what it is.....I'm gonna slap you silly :)


and I got Snorlax....I figured I would.
 
Re: What Pokemon Are YOU?

whoever made that quiz needs to learn how to spell friend. smh.

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Gengar

You are a Gengar. You enjoy making people miserable, and you find fun doing bad things. You seem to get in trouble a lot for being a troublemaker.

this is funny because this is not true. i'm a nice person or at least that's what i think. however, some people do think i'm an asshole though. i don't know why. :(
 
Re: What Pokemon Are YOU?

I got Lucario, too.

I know him because I still played Pokémon not too long ago... LOL :S.
 
Re: What Pokemon Are YOU?

I got dumbass fucking Blissey too. I don't even like that one.


I wanted to be an Abra

abra.jpg



That matches my personality much more because I'm not cheerful and happy go lucky like Blissey's dumb ass. I would have also settled to be a sandshrew.
 
Re: What Pokemon Are YOU?

I got a Lucario. No picture because it was a silhouette of a human head.
 
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