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I just happened to be looking for something else and came across this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-mit-8

Judith Donath, a well-known professor at MIT Media Lab, provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on the confusion between physical and epistemic community:
“ Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they— and the troll— understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group. Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling— where the rate of deception is high— many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.[9]
And that led to this. It seemed quite apropos to forums other than Wiki.

http://www.sarahconnorfans.com/page/Internet+Troll+/+Forum+Troll

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous messages to bait members to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing some other website on forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

A classic Wiki troll will try to make members believe that he/she is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He/she is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussions, and sometimes insulting members or provoking members to insult them. A Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of his/her opponents and in turning it against them.

While sometimes they may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, please do not be deceived. Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance. They usually have an agenda, and very few trolls come to a Wiki out of pure belief and support.

A Wiki Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main wiki’s subject matter.

They are generally interested in making other members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he/she will complain to Moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion.



....Sometimes a Troll is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many wiki trolls are people trying to promote some other website through fear mongering.

For many trolls, lack of hard evidence about any view or opinion equals "OPPORTUNITY". They will try to prevent members from even carrying on a normal discussion
Sometimes a Troll will try to spin conflicting information, question an insincere manner, turn a discussion into a flame war by insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, and ignoring warnings from Admins and Mods.

Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore a suspected Troll, and to send a PM to an Admin or Mod. Admins and Mods will delete troll messages or block trolls.

Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time members.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them.

Alternatively, a Troll may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.

Perhaps the most difficult challenge for an Admin or Mod is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few members find "entertaining." Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the Admins or Mods have to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular members or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.

Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert".

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people do not read messages that no member responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.

Most, if not all of the above situations have been going on now for a number of weeks on this wiki, and it is strictly against this wiki’s rules and COC.
emphasis mine.

While I can't even fathom that organizations and individuals are so bankrupt and fearful that they would orchestrate this kind of stuff, it is apparently becoming a concern for a number of political forums whose posts hit the Google search machine and might be read by the huddled masses and who are now concerned that there are those who would stifle discussion through these means.
 
The only serious thought I'm willing to spend on trolls as described here is this: if they are so readily resort to lies and deception in the interest of their agenda, it's because they know the truth is not on their side. Strangely this is not a problem for them.
 
White Eagle brought up this link and I commented on it here:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6350643&postcount=57

about how this is true. Political forums have been hammered lately with this kind of talk. My forum has 571,000 registered members and many of them have been asking for a political talk area, and I refuse to allow it as I know about the baiting members.

The best thing for you to do is to put them on ignore and DO NOT REPLY TO THEM. That's exactly what they want you to do. Act as if they don't exist, they'll get bored with it and hopefully go away. You're aware of what they're doing, and if you respond in a defensive way then they've won. It a known troll starts a thread, don't reply in it. It's bait. If you do, do not get defensive.

Use that ignore feature people. It make the forum a much nicer place.
 
The only serious thought I'm willing to spend on trolls as described here is this: if they are so readily resort to lies and deception in the interest of their agenda, it's because they know the truth is not on their side. Strangely this is not a problem for them.

But yet communicate and talk to them as if they're really up for debate?

The enablers of trolls are just as bad as the trolls themselves. If you ignore the trolls you have to ignore the enablers too. It really takes two to tango.
 
This is why Laika and Coolkid are now on my no response list.

I still read their posts, but won't legitimize them by engagement and responding to their posts in this forum. They haven't proven themselves credible contributors to honest discussion of any issue.

Pixel....well, his stuff is so sporadic and inane that I can't help but enjoy the amusement factor. And to the best of my knowledge he has never counselled for the restriction on gay rights.
 
I keep the names on my ignore list to myself.

I probably read fewer than half the posts by the members on my ignore list unless they get a response from another poster. I suppose if no one responded to them, I wouldn't be reading them at all. That would probably be a good thing.
 
The line for me is when gay rights and protections are questioned. If an individual does that, I firmly believe that it should not be allowed on this site. That is for personal reasons, as well as site reasons....meaning,my peace of mind and my interest in financially supporting JUB and the people that advertise here.

If this is a site for gay people to enjoy discussion, in our case politics, and the beauty of the male nude, then those that obviously seek to interfere in our right to use the site, either procedurally (flame threads to stop real discussion) or directly by saying our rights should be illegalized in some way that would actually call the existence of the site in question, need to not be here.

It seems so obvious yet so hard to accomplish.

How to tell the difference between a troll and a young self loathing gay who is dealing with being closeted MAY be harder than you guys are thinking. Or .... what if there is a troll here that is obviously gay, yet hell bent on nothing but disruption for an entirely different reason? We saw that in that mexicans vs old people thread recently.

Where is the line and who gets to cross it. I think that the CoC says that disruptive behavior is unaceptable, and it says it in a wide variety of ways, so there is a belief that content is not the issue so much as the way they behave. I think engaging in antigay commentary is a behavior as well as a content.

I don't have the answers and the more I think the more I get confused and start disagreeing with any idea I come up with.

I know that we all know who the trolls are, and their effects.

I do know the joys of the ignore button now...HA!

shall I share it with you? First, you don't lose the entire content of the person you are ignoring, because if someone else thinks something they say is either worth responding to or so offensive it needs to be confronted, you will see that persons words in a quote within the response to the ignored posts. This often lets you feel like you are off the hook in answering that person ethically, and allows you to post a supportive and positive post to the person who answered instead of ganging up on the troll, which is what they want.... to be center of attention.

Also... you have the option, if the person on ignore is actually contributing to a discussion and you are losing the pace of the thread by not reading the posts, you have the option of opening each post individually.

lastly I would just say this in general...

there are some that say if you don't like what the trolls are saying with the anti gay stuff, then just don't answer, don't feed the trolls. To that I would say this...

If you were in a gay bar and a disruptor came in and started yelling that gay shouldn't have rights, we are a bunch of fags who fist fuck each other, and that we are just like horse fuckers and polygamists, that person would be shown the door by the bouncer, because a gay bar is supposed to be a place where gay people come to meet in peace without fear of being harrassed.

I feel that way about this place and if it IS a site that while never disallows anyone from participation, IS for gay men to meet and talk, then that standard should be assumed by us the consumers to exist as well.

There are always going to be conservative gay people, and they deserve to be here. Just being republican or conservative isn't trolling.

BUT gay E-Bashing needs to stop, and it is obvious to me that there are a couple of people here who are hell bent on just disrupting JUB as a business and a safe place for gays to meet and talk.
 
But yet communicate and talk to them as if they're really up for debate?

The enablers of trolls are just as bad as the trolls themselves. If you ignore the trolls you have to ignore the enablers too. It really takes two to tango.

thats like saying you have to shun someone for being gay bashed who tried to defend himself and hit back.

it really makes NO sense to me.
 
thats like saying you have to shun someone for being gay bashed who tried to defend himself and hit back.

it really makes NO sense to me.

Gay bashed on a gay message board by a troll?

It really is like feeding wild animals when you respond to trolls. They just keep coming back for more. Like the MIT professor said above in the original post, the best thing to do to a troll is ignore him or her, not continue in a debate with someone who doesn't want a debate.
 
It's pretty obvious that we've been infiltrated by the Tollerazi.

Nobody is that clueless.

With CoolKid, the stories didn't even match up so that was a pretty fast one.

Latka was a bit different. It was a tad more buyable. But only for a bit.
 
yeah some Jubbers mainly post about political stuff.
Are they considered "political" trolling as well ?
 
It's pretty obvious that we've been infiltrated by the Tollerazi.

Nobody is that clueless.

With CoolKid, the stories didn't even match up so that was a pretty fast one.

Latka was a bit different. It was a tad more buyable. But only for a bit.

This has to be the funniest thread started here in a long time. And that is saying something.

Anyone who doesn't agree with a left-wing agenda is a troll.

Bookmark this thread because whenever you need a laugh, you can reread this.
 
There are always going to be conservative gay people, and they deserve to be here. Just being republican or conservative isn't trolling.

just a reminder of what I said earlier up in my post ..|
 
I don't know why some gay/bi are members of the republican party.

But good for them. Can they be a mole inside the party keep leaking out stuff ??
 
I don't know why some gay/bi are members of the republican party.

But good for them. Can they be a mole inside the party keep leaking out stuff ??

this is painful for me here because I am probably the one of us that hates the republican party the most for its policies....

BUT

being conservative and/or republican doesn't mean that the individual is automatically antigay. It is not an automatic thing. I have a few conservative friends at JUB and they are very pro gay rights.

I have no idea why the republican ones would declare themselves as republicans when you look at their party's antigay agenda, but the truth is some of them, like the log cabin boys, are trying to change their party from within on the issue.

you can't just say that a republican is automatically a troll or a mole or anything else.

question their reasoning, maybe, but most of them are progay individually.

That is why seeing one or two express anti gay rhetoric sets off bells in my skull.
 
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