POLL : Big racial, ethnic divide, on gay marriage

[Apollo]

Goddamnit. JUB you are letting me down. Fine I'll start with the shit-stirring.

Black people caused the Prop 8 passing.

I can't wait to see your new nickname lol

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I doubt that there will ever been any real, direct communication between gay community and the black community as a whole. Or at least not for a very long time. Both are either too apathetic or too on the defensive toward the other. It's gonna take gay black people bridging the gap between the two -- which means gay blacks are going to have to strengthen their own ties with each.

There's the fun part. Trying to merge two communities that don't particularly want much to do with you. Again, this goes back to everyone pointing fingers and saying "You go first."

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Black gays are a bunch of misguided self-hating homophobes. Don't hold your breathe on them taking any initiative en masse, their list of prioties go as such:

1. (tie) Beyonce/sex
2. Reggie Bush
3. Reggaeton music
4. Beyonce
5. Clubs, expensive phones, italian designers

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13,443,598. Gay equality.

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425,022,793,401,115. Bridging a gap between the religious hetero black community and white gays.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Not mine. My great-great-great-, great-great-, and great-grandfathers were all born in Europe and were jewish. However, as an American citizen, I am willing and obliged to accept the responsibility for what my country has done before. To make up for it, I will pay the postage for you to send me your family bible, and thus begin to repatriate your soul to the deity or force of nature that's most handy.

of course it's that easy, paying for postage. glad someone finally caught on to how simple-minded us black folks are.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Fab, I already know about devout Christianity in the black community, but what's this about hypermasculinity? I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.

By the way, FAB, I know EXACTLY how you feel.

here's an article that articulates it better than i could.

http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=537

Name your cliché. Über-physical, über-feral or über-sexually potent: they all apply. It doesn’t take a genius to see what trite, hackneyed and ultimately depressing images of blackness these all are. What is more, they are unfortunately symptomatic of a much greater social and racial malaise, one which, like a rotten timber supporting the precariously balanced edifice of our society, threatens to bring it crashing down upon our heads very soon.

Heterosexual black masculinity, as a social construction in the twenty first century, is at best deeply problematic, and at worst hideously flawed.

From Mike Tyson to Tupac, via 50 Cent, Shaquille O’Neill and Shabba Ranks, black male icons (invariably from the arenas of sport or music) are right now indubitably doing more harm than good.

The histrionic (and oh-so-easy to be ridiculed by white people) hip hop hand gestures, the tedious and repetitious physical and verbal posturing, based on empty self-aggrandisement, the trope of mythical sexual prowess, all are images redolent of ignorance, and all are indicative of a deeply troubled psyche, a psyche visibly manifesting the scars and striations of centuries of slavery and oppression

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^It's not just the "white guard" it's also black parents who fail to pass constructive values to their kids who grow up to share these same misguided values with their kids.

These folks are getting this homophobia from somewhere, it's being taught.

 

[nitish]

A lot of polls found latinos support same sex marriage just as much as white people. check it out....

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/hispanics-back-gay-marriage-at-same.html

 

[nitish]

Ignoring the religion part is naive. Every group that is anti gay rights falls back on religion. Be it Mormons, religious blacks, white evangelicals. If you run a regression on this, you will likely see a clear pattern.

 

[kayman23]

I call it like I see it, both sides are at fault, and turning to Latinos and ignoring this sift isn't making this problem any better.

However Fabo, some black gays are at fault, but some actually are trying. The problem still lies with the systematic issues that they do face on both fronts that aggravates makes so many to just stay in their own lane separate from both groups.

No what is going to change that well, work and time...