Poll: Trump less popular than lice, still backed by GOP voters

[Kulindahr]

Nonsense. 'Every time they use a cubicle in a washroom" is your concept not mine. The liberal agenda encompases locker rooms, and showers, as logically it must. If sharing the locker room is a "basic civil right", how can the shower not be? Do all locker rooms--or any--have cubicles? Few do. If the tax payers are going to be forced to provide all bathrooms, locker rooms , and showers with cubicals , then let the boys use the cubicals in the boys rooms. The need to lurk in the girls room disappears.
As for all these supposed "rights", they are not rights until the law says they are rights.. They are not a rights just because they are on your wish list. Other people have their own wish lists, equally or more valid. Girls wish for the right to privacy away from male eyes. Employers wish to hire the best person for their job.

This focus on "lurking" reveals more about you than about the topic. I don't know whether to conclude you would love to be one of those lurkers, or if you were abused as a child and any such thoughts make you fearful, or if you despise yourself for being gay and having "lurked" in a locker room drinking up the sight of the other boys.

It's easy to tell, though, that your version of a Republic is that of the late Roman one, where a small privileged aristocracy got to dictate to everyone else, and the chances of anyone else breaking into that aristocracy was about as high as those of the seven hills of Rome suddenly turning into five.

 

[Kulindahr]

I well realise that any appeal to common decency will be lost on you. While I also realise that truth isn't a big selling point for you, either, in the interest of truth it seems like your statement should contain some clause, some notation, some sub-clause, or at the very least a footnote mentioning engineered legislative majorities -- a process under which a legislative majority of one party is obtained (in fact, guaranteed) even where the majority of voters cast votes for the other party, as that has some local application in this instance.

For someone who has claimed to be a lawyer, there seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding on your part as to how law works and how the government functions under the American system. You also seem to be all over the place in trying to speak out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. You decry tyranny, yet you also speak in favour of tyranny of the majority. You claim to endorse rule of the majority, yet you decry that very thing from an executive who was elected by a majority of the voters not once but twice. And you can, or should, stop before you make any more idiotic claims about the executive making laws. It doesn't happen under the American system, and to claim it does simply betrays ignorance of how government both works and functions. If you actually believe what you say you do, then perhaps you should consider going back for a few (or many) refresher courses on law and government.

Lastly, to make the claim that America is losing its democracy is to once again betray ignorance. America is not nor has it every been a democracy. It is a republic. If you don't know or don't understand the difference, again a few refresher courses may be in order.

Executive orders have become a method of making law without bothering with the legislative process, so he has a point there. But if he objects to that kind of tyranny, then he should also object to the tyranny of deception and mob rule, which is what he is endorsing.

Sorry, Ben, but if you oppose tyranny, you have to oppose all forms of it, including what Jefferson called the tyranny of the majority. As it is, you're an obviously fake democrat and a miserable failure at being a republican.

 

[Benvolio]

You must really despise that part of the Declaration of Independence that says "all men are created equal" -- the thought clearly gives you the creeps. What a travesty, that so many people have been "brainwashed" into thinking that was meant to be put into practice!

All men are created equal so men have the right to shower with the women??? A classic non sequitur.

 

[Benvolio]

Executive orders have become a method of making law without bothering with the legislative process, so he has a point there. But if he objects to that kind of tyranny, then he should also object to the tyranny of deception and mob rule, which is what he is endorsing.

Sorry, Ben, but if you oppose tyranny, you have to oppose all forms of it, including what Jefferson called the tyranny of the majority. As it is, you're an obviously fake democrat and a miserable failure at being a republican.

So you reject representative democracy as tyranny of the majority and mob rule. I see.
Please do not quote little dove to me as i have had him on ignore for many months for obvious reasons. He is incapable of civil discussion.

 

[Benvolio]

''Democracy definition. A system of government in which power is vested in the people, who rule either directly or through freely elected representatives. Note: Democratic institutions, such as parliaments, may exist in a monarchy." Dictionery.com.

You notion that the word "democracy" means only direct democracy is absurd; our "republic" is a representative democracy, but we lose it when officials usurp the law making power or ignore the laws and Constitution which exist.

 

[Kulindahr]

All men are created equal so men have the right to shower with the women??? A classic non sequitur.

Another classic fail in junior debate at the high school level: redefining the question in your own terms so you can "win". It's also known as changing the subject, or in the way you do it here, a straw man argument.

Keep going, Ben -- you've pretty much convinced everyone here that you're no lawyer; you've gotten a great start on showing you never finished high school.

So you reject representative democracy as tyranny of the majority and mob rule. I see.

The above applies here as well.

Please do not quote little dove to me as i have had him on ignore for many months for obvious reasons. He is incapable of civil discussion.

Grow up.

 

[Kabluey]

All men are created equal so men have the right to shower with the women??? A classic non sequitur.

Dumb.
'All MEN are created equal' because universal suffrage hadn't happened yet.

You realise that parts of Europe have unisex showers and changing rooms, don't you? Hardly a sign of tyranny or stolen democracy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Dumb.
'All MEN are created equal' because universal suffrage hadn't happened yet.

You realise that parts of Europe have unisex showers and changing rooms, don't you? Hardly a sign of tyranny or stolen democracy.

I wonder if any lawyer has ever argued that separate locker rooms are unconstitutional because "separate" is never equal.

Seriously, Ben's view would lead to gays having their own restrooms, because the straight boys don't want gays "lurking" to check them out, and on and on....

and I should have my very own restrooms everywhere, because I don't want ANYONE lurking to watch me!

 

[Benvolio]

Dumb.
'All MEN are created equal' because universal suffrage hadn't happened yet.

You realise that parts of Europe have unisex showers and changing rooms, don't you? Hardly a sign of tyranny or stolen democracy.

If is forced upon us outside the democratic process, yes, it will be tyranny and stolen democracy. Dumb is your thinking that equality requires shared showers and changing rooms.

 

[Kulindahr]

If is forced upon us outside the democratic process, yes, it will be tyranny and stolen democracy. Dumb is your thinking that equality requires shared showers and changing rooms.

Yeah, and dumb was the thinking that required shared buses and drinking fountains, right?

 

[Kabluey]

If is forced upon us outside the democratic process, yes, it will be tyranny and stolen democracy. Dumb is your thinking that equality requires shared showers and changing rooms.

Dumb is thinking a single layer of elected representatives represent all.
The state is banning schools and cities from acting democratically and inclusively.
The very people you are defending are restricting the rights of schools, parents and cities to accommodate the rights of their community.

Dumb is being unable to see hypocrisy.

 

[Benvolio]

Dumb is thinking a single layer of elected representatives represent all.
The state is banning schools and cities from acting democratically and inclusively.
The very people you are defending are restricting the rights of schools, parents and cities to accommodate the rights of their community.

Dumb is being unable to see hypocrisy.

Schools, school boards and cities are political subdivisions of the state, created by it and deriving any power from the state laws. The legislature is democratically elected persuant to the democratically adopted and amended Constitution. The presidential and bureaucratic dictate deprives the schools, parents, and cities of the determining power. The hypocricy is yours in invoking schools, parents and cities to justify a national dictation depriving schools, parents and cities of their voice. You seem to assume that all parents want their girls to share bathrooms, locker rooms and showers with boys. That is dumb.

 

[TX-Beau]

Schools, school boards and cities are political subdivisions of the state, created by it and deriving any power from the state laws. The legislature is democratically elected persuant to the democratically adopted and amended Constitution. The presidential and bureaucratic dictate deprives the schools, parents, and cities of the determining power. The hypocricy is yours in invoking schools, parents and cities to justify a national dictation depriving schools, parents and cities of their voice. You seem to assume that all parents want their girls to share bathrooms, locker rooms and showers with boys. That is dumb.

...furiously dancing that dance of obfuscation...

 

[xbuzzerx]

Dumb is thinking a single layer of elected representatives represent all.
The state is banning schools and cities from acting democratically and inclusively.
The very people you are defending are restricting the rights of schools, parents and cities to accommodate the rights of their community.

Dumb is being unable to see hypocrisy.

"Conservatives" surgically trot out the states-rights-should-be-paramount-over-everything, including-the-Constitution flagpoles whenever they're in favor of one of the usual suspect backwards states pass some completely indefensible crap that reflects and validates all of their personally carried bigotries.

They have absolutely no problem with Federal power under Republican control. They haven't in half a century. But we all knew things like the 8 Bush years would be conveniently forgotten the moment he was out of office, and Republicans always run away from ever owning that any policies that they pass or support actually reflect their values whenever those policies prove to be failures or fall into being unpopular post-facto.

 

[TX-Beau]

"States Rights" has always been a fig leaf for bigotry.

 

[rareboy]

Nonsense. 'Every time they use a cubicle in a washroom" is your concept not mine. The liberal agenda encompases locker rooms, and showers, as logically it must. If sharing the locker room is a "basic civil right", how can the shower not be? Do all locker rooms--or any--have cubicles? Few do. If the tax payers are going to be forced to provide all bathrooms, locker rooms , and showers with cubicals , then let the boys use the cubicals in the boys rooms. The need to lurk in the girls room disappears.
As for all these supposed "rights", they are not rights until the law says they are rights.. They are not a rights just because they are on your wish list. Other people have their own wish lists, equally or more valid. Girls wish for the right to privacy away from male eyes. Employers wish to hire the best person for their job.

So this isn't about discrimination or rights.

It is just about the taxpayer?



Tell me. Why doesn't someone with a law degree know how to spell cubicle?

 

[Benvolio]

No rights are involved. And there is no discrimination unless you can show that the boys facilities are significantly inferior to those of the girls.
When you rely on a secretary for many years, you learn to concentrate on content and leave the typing and spelling to her.

 

[rareboy]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

right.

 

[Kulindahr]

"States Rights" has always been a fig leaf for bigotry.

Sometimes. It's also been used to uphold higher standards of individual rights than the federal government cares to protect, especially in medical issues, free speech, and privacy.

 

[offthewall14420]

Trump is like Eric Cartman running for President.