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Pope Francis' Legacy & Successor

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Much will be said in the coming days of Pope Francis and his views, his humility, and his legacy.

But the Holy Father has expanded the College of Cardinals, and the Consistory will include 20 new cardinals that he created.

It's also true that he appointed 80% of those under 80 who will be the electors of the next Bishop of Rome. Does that mean his progressive views will be amplified by a more progressive successor, or did he necessarily elevate more progressives?

Will the new Pope come from Asia, the Levant or Africa? Or will it be a surprise from a more conventional locale in Europe or Latin America?

Will the conservative influence of the Global South appear in the new prelate choice?

Many like to pronounce the death of religion or its decline, but Chritianity remains the world's most populous religion and Holy Roman Catholicism remains its most numerous denomination. The Church of Rome continues to affect the world beyond Europe.
 
I'm sure he'll coerce a ghost writer to pen a new Bible.

Yes, we can bold the font for "Render unto Caesar", Sire.

Can't have all that "love your neighbor" and "forgive seventy times seven" stuff left in there, to say nothing of "whose husband will he be in the Resurrection?"

And we can do a word search and purge every "covet" out of the taboos.

There's also that bit about "if you have done it in your heart".

My, this IS going to take some time, Sire.
 
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Of course they do. Paneeraq Siegstad Munk has been Lutheran Bishop of Greenland since 2020. I thought everyone knew that!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneeraq_Siegstad_Munk

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I was shocked by how awful Pope Francis looked during Christmas mass.

Rest In Peace

 
PalacePaul said:
As they say in italian, Chi entra papa, usci cardinale...
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He who enters as pope leaves as cardinal? I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that. The only recent papal election where I think the predicted cardinal was elected was when Benedict XVI succeeded John Paul II.
 
As usual, MAGATs are spewing all kinds of their disgusting hate in the name of Jesus all over social media, cheering and celebrating the death of Pope Francis.
 
/\ But, a lot of people don't care too much for child molesters, their protectors or their enablers.

Be very careful which side you choose --- at least, publicly.
 
An article on the papal election of 1268-71 in Viterbo, where Teobaldo Visconti, the future Gregory X, was finally chosen after almost three years. He was neither cardinal, nor priest and was in Acre at the time.

en.wikipedia.org

1268–1271 papal election - Wikipedia

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"The election of Visconti, after a 2-year, 9-month struggle, came as a complete surprise to him, since it took place while he was engaged in the Ninth Crusade at Acre in Palestine with King Edward I of England. Not wanting to abandon his mission, his first action upon hearing of his election, was to send out appeals for aid to the Crusaders. At his final sermon at Acre just before setting sail for Italy, he famously remarked, quoting Psalm 137, "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning". Nonetheless, he had to return to Italy immediately, since he had been summoned by the Cardinals in order to accept the election at their hands. On 1 January 1272, the Pope-Elect reached Brindisi, and he arrived in Viterbo, the site of the Election, where the Cardinals were waiting, in early February 1272. On some unknown date he completed the Election by accepting the Papacy; it was in Viterbo that he assumed the papal mantle. But he was still careful to call himself Episcopus-electus. On 13 March 1272, he entered Rome with the entire Roman Curia. Since he was not in Holy Orders, he had to be ordained a priest, which took place on 19 March 1272. He was consecrated a bishop and crowned on 27 March 1272 at St. Peter's Basilica."

en.wikipedia.org

Pope Gregory X - Wikipedia

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In the aftermath of the longest election, Gregory set forth the rules that govern the process. Over the centuries, specifics have changed, but the principal of the conclave remains:

en.wikipedia.org

Conclave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Kahaih said:
/\ But, a lot of people don't care too much for child molesters, their protectors or their enablers.

Be very careful which side you choose --- at least, publicly.
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That would be but one legacy of Pope Francis that is to his credit. After he returned from his visit to Chile, he learned that he had been lied to by the prelates in Chile about their regional problem with sex abuse. He had listened to an abuse victim and knew it was true. He immediately demanded the letters of resignation of every bishop and cardinal in Chile, pending his acceptance or rejection of them on a case-by-case basis. That's accountability.

Subsequent to that, he convened a consistory and made the clergy undergo mandatory review of abuse and cover-up. Of course the reforms he ordered were judged to be inadquate, but that was a given as an accusation.

He was no evader.
 
Latimer said:
An article on the papal election of 1268-71 in Viterbo, where Teobaldo Visconti, the future Gregory X, was finally chosen after almost three years. He was neither cardinal, nor priest and was in Acre at the time.

en.wikipedia.org

1268–1271 papal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

"The election of Visconti, after a 2-year, 9-month struggle, came as a complete surprise to him, since it took place while he was engaged in the Ninth Crusade at Acre in Palestine with King Edward I of England. Not wanting to abandon his mission, his first action upon hearing of his election, was to send out appeals for aid to the Crusaders. At his final sermon at Acre just before setting sail for Italy, he famously remarked, quoting Psalm 137, "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning". Nonetheless, he had to return to Italy immediately, since he had been summoned by the Cardinals in order to accept the election at their hands. On 1 January 1272, the Pope-Elect reached Brindisi, and he arrived in Viterbo, the site of the Election, where the Cardinals were waiting, in early February 1272. On some unknown date he completed the Election by accepting the Papacy; it was in Viterbo that he assumed the papal mantle. But he was still careful to call himself Episcopus-electus. On 13 March 1272, he entered Rome with the entire Roman Curia. Since he was not in Holy Orders, he had to be ordained a priest, which took place on 19 March 1272. He was consecrated a bishop and crowned on 27 March 1272 at St. Peter's Basilica."

en.wikipedia.org

Pope Gregory X - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

In the aftermath of the longest election, Gregory set forth the rules that govern the process. Over the centuries, specifics have changed, but the principal of the conclave remains:

en.wikipedia.org

Conclave - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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The history of the papacy isn't so interesting spiritually, as it so often has nothing to do with spirit, but of politics, culture, bureaucracy, corruption, and, well, ITALY (French rivals notwithstanding.)

It is one of the world's great institutions, and by that I mean profound, like the Japanese monarchy, like Freemasonry, like Chinese imperial history, like the Spanish empire, like the ancient empires of the Levant.

I always feel a lot of people have antipathy for the HRCC because of its history, but that seems like wasted energy. It's there. It's not going anywhere. It's not going to be changed very much from without, which is why it has endured. By comparison, follow the non-denominationals in the U.S., how they vacillate, how they blow about with the temporal changes around them and lack the endurance of traditions and cohesive order. They are unlikely to even exist in a century hence.
 
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