president Obama and transgender bathroom controversy

[rareboy]

You have repeatedly had it pointed out to you that being transgender is not considered a personality disorder in the medical community. Your persistent use of this to insult any transgender members of this community now borders on a contravention of the Code of Conduct for JUB.

You have repeatedly had it pointed out to you that this is not a Diktat. It has no force of law.

You live in country where multi-national corporations and the military industrial complex are plundering the taxpayers' wallets with impunity and yet your only real concern is the capital cost of providing a single universal toilet or individual shower stall in a public school. I would note, by the way, that provision of individual shower stalls is now the standard in new school and gymnasium design.

This is why you look ridiculous.

 

[cityboy-stl]

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Perhaps we should all stop responding to the troll posts. It accomplishes nothing and it is all about diverting attention to himself. He is not going to engage in real discussion and his constant thread hijacking prevents everyone else from doing so.

 

[Latimer]

Title IX
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.

Note that Title IX neither refers to "sexual orientation" nor "gender identity". The law as written did not consider either to be a "protected class" (look it up). Congress can amend the law to included sexual orientation and gender identity, but it has not chosen to do so.

 

[Benvolio]

Note that Title IX neither refers to "sexual orientation" nor "gender identity". The law as written did not consider either to be a "protected class" (look it up). Congress can amend the law to included sexual orientation and gender identity, but it has not chosen to do so.

Who needs Congress when we have a dictator? The US has stopped functioning as a democracy. The president and court rule as they wish.
This from the NYTimes Health Guide today:"Gender identity DISORDER is a conflict between a person's physical gender and the gender he or she identifies as. For example, a person identified as a boy may actually feel and act like a girl. The person is very uncomfortable with the gender they were born." (Emphasis mine)

 

[Latimer]

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Perhaps we should all stop responding to the troll posts. It accomplishes nothing and it is all about diverting attention to himself. He is not going to engage in real discussion and his constant thread hijacking prevents everyone else from doing so.

The OP asked what people thought of the Obama administration's letter regarding this matter. Benvolio has given his opinion, and has attempted to engage in a discussion. That his opinion does not agree with yours, or the majority of other opinions expressed, does not make him a troll. That you differ with his opinion does not mean that it is lacking in substance or logic. I doubt that Benvolio participates in these forums simply to call attention to himself. More likely he seeks to educate.

He has a sound legal argument. Were the issue to come before the Supreme Court as currently constituted, I believe that Benvolio's opinion on this issue would be vindicated.

 

[frankfrank]

Who will be the first trans-gendered person beaten to death or shot (in or near a bathroom) because they are forced to use the restroom "dictated" by their birth certificate? IT WILL HAPPEN.

This controversy is doing a fantastic job riling up the Nazis, who would cheerfully have all transgendered people (and, for good measure, nearly all of us on this website...both in the Forums and on the entire porno side), sent to gas chambers.

And a lot of very sick and putrid people will celebrate and rejoice.

I feel ashamed to live in such a backwards country.

 

[kallipolis]

Who needs Congress when we have a dictator? The US has stopped functioning as a democracy. The president and court rule as they wish.
This from the NYTimes Health Guide today:"Gender identity DISORDER is a conflict between a person's physical gender and the gender he or she identifies as. For example, a person identified as a boy may actually feel and act like a girl. The person is very uncomfortable with the gender they were born." (Emphasis mine)

Many people working in the health care sector refer to Gender identity CONDITION.

Those with an obsessive, compulsive personality may well feel more comfortable knowing that it is a condition, and not a disorder.

From my perspective the United States continues to function as a a democratic nation, when understanding how uncooperative the Republican controlled House is, and has been since 2011.

President Barack Obama exercises the powers of the presidency in accordance with the Constitution of the United States.

The United States Supreme Court functions in accordance with the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Benvolio]

Many people working in the health care sector refer to Gender identity CONDITION.

Those with an obsessive, compulsive personality may well feel more comfortable knowing that it is a condition, and not a disorder.

From my perspective the United States continues to function as a a democratic nation, when understanding how uncooperative the Republican controlled House is, and has been since 2011.

President Barack Obama exercises the powers of the presidency in accordance with the Constitution of the United States.

The United States Supreme Court functions in accordance with the Constitution of the United States.

Wrong. Obama exceeds his powers with impunity. The supreme courts imposes new laws of its own invention with no regard for the Constitution. The democrats were as uncooperative with Bush as the Republicans are with Obama.

 

[TX-Beau]

The OP asked what people thought of the Obama administration's letter regarding this matter. Benvolio has given his opinion, and has attempted to engage in a discussion. That his opinion does not agree with yours, or the majority of other opinions expressed, does not make him a troll. That you differ with his opinion does not mean that it is lacking in substance or logic. I doubt that Benvolio participates in these forums simply to call attention to himself. More likely he seeks to educate.

He has a sound legal argument. Were the issue to come before the Supreme Court as currently constituted, I believe that Benvolio's opinion on this issue would be vindicated.

I doubt Ben would recognize a sound legal argument if it fell on his/hers/its head. There is some long standing speculation that he posts in these forums because he was told to do so.



The problem is not the reality of trans people, it's perception. Trans people are in the same position we were in 40 years ago - the assumption that they are somehow perverts that want to diddle little children in the ladies room.

You can't fight that with laws. We didn't fight the same argument with laws either. You fight that with visibility.

 

[kallipolis]

Wrong. Obama exceeds his powers with impunity. The supreme courts imposes new laws of its own invention with no regard for the Constitution. The democrats were as uncooperative with Bush as the Republicans are with Obama.

It is recognised that there have been no attempts made to impeach President Barack Obama for the unconstitutional behaviour that you are alleging he stands guilty.

Why do you believe that no impeachment process has been instituted by the Republicans, to curtail President Obama's alleged abuse of his powers?

 

[Benvolio]

Who will be the first trans-gendered person beaten to death or shot (in or near a bathroom) because they are forced to use the restroom "dictated" by their birth certificate? IT WILL HAPPEN.

This controversy is doing a fantastic job riling up the Nazis, who would cheerfully have all transgendered people (and, for good measure, nearly all of us on this website...both in the Forums and on the entire porno side), sent to gas chambers.

And a lot of very sick and putrid people will celebrate and rejoice.

I feel ashamed to live in such a backwards country.

You are more likely to see women raped while using the mens room, dressing room or shower, or women raped by boys using the girls rooms.

 

[TX-Beau]

You are more likely to see women raped while using the mens room, dressing room or shower.

What a dangerous activity pissing is for poor Ben.

 

[TX-Beau]

I do find it funny that apparently Ben and his ilk are unaware that Trans people are pissing right next to them all the time, and the horrible rapes and murders don't seem to be occurring.

 

[kallipolis]

You are more likely to see women raped while using the mens room, dressing room or shower.

Can you cite evidence to support your claim that women are more likely to be raped when using the mens room, than say in another scenario? Most public facilities available to both sexes are usually found in places used by the general public, making the likelihood of rape, or perverted behaviour highly unlikely because of the openness of those facilities to use by a continuing stream (pun intended) of people needing to use the public restrooms.

 

[Benvolio]

It is recognised that there have been no attempts made to impeach President Barack Obama for the unconstitutional behaviour that you are alleging he stands guilty.

Why do you believe that no impeachment process has been instituted by the Republicans, to curtail President Obama's alleged abuse of his powers?

Because the democrat media will side with their president, and the democrats have enough in Congress to impede, stall and prevent either the impeachment or the finding of guilt.

 

[kallipolis]

Because the democrat media will side with their president, and the democrats have enough in Congress to impede, stall and prevent either the impeachment or the finding of guilt.

The House is controlled by the Republicans, indicating that were your allegations, true then The Republicans would be within their rights to commence impeachment proceedings against President Obama.

No such impeachment process has been discussed, or implemented.

Is it possible that your allegations, that President Obama has exceeded his Constitutional authority is not true, and therefore not an item on the Republicans agenda?

 

[Benvolio]

Can you cite evidence to support your claim that women are more likely to be raped when using the mens room, than say in another scenario? Most public facilities available to both sexes are usually found in places used by the general public, making the likelihood of rape, or perverted behaviour highly unlikely because of the openness of those facilities to use by a continuing stream (pun intended) of people needing to use the public restrooms.

Here is a rape victim illustrating the danger. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/23/a-rape-survivor-speaks-out-about-transgender-bathrooms/

 

[Benvolio]

The House is controlled by the Republicans, indicating that were your allegations, true then The Republicans would be within their rights to commence impeachment proceedings against President Obama.

No such impeachment process has been discussed, or implemented.

Is it possible that your allegations, that President Obama has exceeded his Constitutional authority is not true, and therefore not an item on the Republicans agenda?

Democrats have enough votes to prevent conviction in the Senate. Impeachment would be a waste of time.

 

[kallipolis]

Democrats have enough votes to prevent conviction in the Senate. Impeachment would be a waste of time.

Ah! but an impeachment process can embarrass President Obama, sufficiently for the Republicans to expose him for the alleged crimes that you state here, President Obama stands guilty.

 

[kallipolis]

Here is a rape victim illustrating the danger. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/23/a-rape-survivor-speaks-out-about-transgender-bathrooms/

One case does not an argument, make.

Were we to consider all transgender people potential sexual predators, it could also be argued that all heterosexual male school teachers are potential predators, suggesting that they should not be teaching pupils of the opposite sex.

It is delusional paranoia at its most insane, when believing that transgender people when granted rights to use the rest rooms of the gender they identify with, are overnight transformed into potential sex maniacs.