President Obama wins the Nobel Peace Prize.

[palemale]

Yeah kinda.

But I neglected to add the other side, which is that living in fantasy, one misses all the opportunities and doesn't do the work that results in real accomplishment and genuine pleasure and comfort from real things.

In the short run, pretending is obviously easier and seems just as good. But ultimately it's only make believe, and even the most sumptuous make believe fur coat won't keep you warm in winter.

You mean sort of like the fantasy that if only the smooth talking, seductive usurper didn't fool all of the the primary voters with a teleprompter, a certain candidate in a pants suit would have won the election and all would be fine in the world by now?

 

[Pumpkin]

Yes, and the decided from an extremely narrow world view, and they did not take into consideration the backlash both at home abroad. I am not talking about Western Europe that we are cozy, cozy with and buddy, buddy with. I am talking about the Middle East, South America, Asia, and Africa. We aren't buddy, buddy with a lot of countries in those locations.

It was a stab in the back more than anything. It gave him an impossible mandate one that is more impossible then the one he has at home. Was it an award or a knife?

 

[NickCole]

You mean sort of like the fantasy that if only the smooth talking, seductive usurper didn't fool all of the the primary voters with a teleprompter, a certain candidate in a pants suit would have won the election and all would be fine in the world by now?

Ah your Hillary Clinton refrain. That's from your thought process, not mine.

I've never been one to linger in fantasies of what might have been. I move on from defeats, and victories for that matter, and deal with what's really happening in the new moment.

And in this moment Hillary Clinton is succeeding in her duties as Secretary of State and Obama is failing to deliver the substance we need from our President in just about every area, from headline issues like economic stability and health care reform to less-covered but also important issues like:

President Obama has not made significant progress in his plan to infuse federal courts with a new cadre of judges, and liberal activists are beginning to blame his administration for moving too tentatively on what they consider a key priority.

During his first nine months in office, Obama has won confirmation in the Democratic-controlled Senate for just three of his 23 nominations for federal judgeships, largely because Republicans have used anonymous holds and filibuster threats to slow the proceedings to a crawl.

But some Democrats attribute that GOP success partly to the administration's reluctance to fight, arguing that Obama's emphasis on easing partisan rancor over judgeships has backfired and only emboldened Senate Republicans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/15/AR2009101504083.html

 

[palemale]

Nick, it's quite clear to everyone who posts here, with the exception of your soul mate, Obama hating right winger amen corner, that you have not gotten over the primaries. I can't count the number of times you have referred to it in your anti-Obama rants.

Any pretense that you are guided by rational thought, objectivity or principled dissent evaporated completely when you said in another thread that Obama was worse than Bush, Reagan, and was in fact the worst president in our lifetime. There's a reason no one takes you seriously in this forum, not even the right wingers. They just cheer you on because your Obama hatred fits in so nicely with their tea-bagging, frothing at the mouth fury that their party has become a national joke. Maybe you and your sob-sister Glenn Beck should put together an act and take it on the road, it would be most entertaining.

 

[NickCole]

Nick, it's quite clear to everyone who posts here, with the exception of your soul mate, Obama hating right winger amen corner, that you have not gotten over the primaries. I can't count the number of times you have referred to it in your anti-Obama rants.

Any pretense that you are guided by rational thought, objectivity or principled dissent evaporated completely when you said in another thread that Obama was worse than Bush, Reagan, and was in fact the worst president in our lifetime. There's a reason no one takes you seriously in this forum, not even the right wingers. They just cheer you on because your Obama hatred fits in so nicely with their tea-bagging, frothing at the mouth fury that their party has become a national joke. Maybe you and your sob-sister Glenn Beck should put together an act and take it on the road, it would be most entertaining.

And there's ObamaNation for you.

You don't know what everybody here thinks, you just make up personal ridicule and pretend it's the truth.

 

[palemale]

And there's ObamaNation for you.

You don't know what everybody here thinks, you just make up personal ridicule and pretend it's the truth.

OMG, I used hyperbole. I'm so sorry. I'm sure to be kicked off JUB for weeks.

 

[NickCole]

OMG, I used hyperbole. I'm so sorry. I'm sure to be kicked off JUB for weeks.

Oh okay.

It's hyperbole.

And that's okay with you, right?

It's okay with you if I use "hyperbole" about you from now on, right? I can make up anything I have no way of knowing and claim it's true about you. Right? Respond so the Mods know I have your permission.

Hyperbole. Cool!

 

[palemale]

Nick, you can whine to the mods all you want, I don't care. I'm a big boy, I don't complain to the mods. They're very busy ferreting liberal posts that are mean to you and right wingers.

I just think its pathetic that you call yourself a liberal Democrat, which I don't doubt, yet you make common cause with the Obama hating right wingers because you can't get over the primaries. There is much about Obama that disappoints, I just don't agree with you that he is worse the Bush, Reagan, or any other president in our lifetime.

You make common cause with right-wing Republicans who trash Acorn -- which has registered tens of thousands of poor people to vote, has done great work organizing around issues like education and the living wage, and worked to make affordable housing available -- because doing so, you all seem to believe, reflects poorly on Obama. You even supported a patently unconstitutional piece of legislation that would defund them even though the organization itself has never been convicted of anything.

With friends like you, Nick, the Democrats don't need enemies.

 

[hotatlboi]

Nick, it's quite clear to everyone who posts here, with the exception of your soul mate, Obama hating right winger amen corner, that you have not gotten over the primaries. I can't count the number of times you have referred to it in your anti-Obama rants.

It's been obvious since was just "not sure" about Obama during the primaries, but turned viciously against him when they were over. And when since then he has on occasion praised Clinton for the same things he's blasted Obama for.

 

[White Eagle]

Originally Posted by White Eagle
I think it is great and he gave a very humble speech and himself said he is not entitled to it.

Then why is he accepting it??
Or is he going to Stockholm to refuse it?

Best thing he could do would be to go, take the thing, and say that he accepts it on behalf of a man who truly deserved it because his work continues today: Ghandi.

Kulindahr, I think you may have seen this but I will post it again. It is quoted from his acceptance speech on the 9th.
He accepted it in the name of the people he mentioned in the link below. He didn't mention Ghandi, but I think he would be sorry he didn't mention him too.
And I would think he is accepting the prize for the same reasons. However, it would be very impolite to not go, don't you think?

http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2009/10/obama-nobel-peace-prize-acceptance.html

10.09.2009
Obama Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech, Statement, Transcript

by the Left Coast Rebel

--snip--

This award is not simply about the efforts of my administration, it's about the greatest efforts of people around the world. That's why this award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity. For the young woman who marches silently on the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets, the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refused to abandon her commitment to democracy, for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away. For all those men and women across the world who sacrificed their safety and their freedom, and sometimes their lives for the cause of peace. That has always been the cause of America, that's why the world has always looked to America and that's why I believe America will continue to lead.

 

[NickCole]

Nick, you can whine to the mods all you want, I don't care. I'm a big boy, I don't complain to the mods. They're very busy ferreting liberal posts that are mean to you and right wingers.

I just think its pathetic that you call yourself a liberal Democrat, which I don't doubt, yet you make common cause with the Obama hating right wingers because you can't get over the primaries. There is much about Obama that disappoints, I just don't agree with you that he is worse the Bush, Reagan, or any other president in our lifetime.

You make common cause with right-wing Republicans who trash Acorn -- which has registered tens of thousands of poor people to vote, has done great work organizing around issues like education and the living wage, and worked to make affordable housing available -- because doing so, you all seem to believe, reflects poorly on Obama. You even supported a patently unconstitutional piece of legislation that would defund them even though the organization itself has never been convicted of anything.

With friends like you, Nick, the Democrats don't need enemies.

I call it like I see it.

I'm a Democrat because I believe in liberal/progressive principles; that doesn't obligate me to protect and defend people who say they believe in the same things I believe in but use poor judgment or make bad choices, or through their actions don't stand for progressive principles.

The notion that Republicans are bad and Democrats are good, and that Democrats would do great things but Republicans are stopping them, when Democrats have virtually absolute power in Washington, is ridiculous, and especially so coming from Obama supporters after Obama claimed he'd bring in a new era of bipartisanship and unity. There are competent Democrats and incomptent Democrats, honest Dems and dishonest Dems, principled Dems and corrupt Dems; same with Republicans.

If I were wrong about Obama you could present arguments and support to prove it but instead you make up lies about me and justify lying by calling it hyperbole. That says a lot about what it takes to defend Obama.

 

[palemale]

I call it like I see it.

I'm a Democrat because I believe in liberal/progressive principles; that doesn't obligate me to protect and defend people who say they believe in the same things I believe in but use poor judgment or make bad choices, or through their actions don't stand for progressive principles.

The notion that Republicans are bad and Democrats are good, and that Democrats would do great things but Republicans are stopping them, when Democrats have virtually absolute power in Washington, is ridiculous, and especially so coming from Obama supporters after Obama claimed he'd bring in a new era of bipartisanship and unity. There are competent Democrats and incomptent Democrats, honest Dems and dishonest Dems, principled Dems and corrupt Dems; same with Republicans.

If I were wrong about Obama you could present arguments and support to prove it but instead you make up lies about me and justify lying by calling it hyperbole. That says a lot about what it takes to defend Obama.

Oh please, Nick, what lies did I make up about you? I have an opinion, you don't like it, grow up already. I call you on your bullshit and you call it lies. You carry on about Obama, and ObamaNation, and evil Obama supporters. Do you not realize how ridiculous it all sounds? Take pity on me, please, you make me feel like I'm beating up on the elderly, infirm and helpless children.

 

[NickCole]

Oh please, Nick, what lies did I make up about you? I have an opinion, you don't like it, grow up already. I call you on your bullshit and you call it lies.

Well let's break down that post of yours.

Nick, it's quite clear to everyone who posts here, with the exception of your soul mate, Obama hating right winger amen corner, that you have not gotten over the primaries.

A reasonable mind would conclude that you can't possibly know what everyone here believes about whether or not I've gotten over the primaries. Either you are deeply delusional in believing you know what everyone here thinks or you are lying.

I can't count the number of times you have referred to it in your anti-Obama rants.

This implies I refer countless times to the primaries. That's a lie. I rarely refer to the primaries. In your attempts to define me that way, you guys refer to them a lot more than I do.

There's a reason no one takes you seriously in this forum, not even the right wingers.

This is a lie, proved not only by a lot of private messages and comments but also by some who post publicly that even though they often don't agree with me they appreciate my truth telling and how it helps them see some things they otherwise would not.

You lie about me. Why don't you grow up, address what public officials and media personalities are doing rather than lying about me and what "everybody" here thinks of me. Your attacks are high schoolish personal attacks.

You carry on about Obama, and ObamaNation, and evil Obama supporters. Do you not realize how ridiculous it all sounds? Take pity on me, please, you make me feel like I'm beating up on the elderly, infirm and helpless children.

You can complain and ridicule until the cows come home but you have a problem. A great big huge problem: I've been right about Obama and ObamaNation, and that's why you can't defeat my arguments with factual defense of Obama. And so rather than man up and hold Obama accountable, you attack me personally to protect your Dear Leader. That makes you complicit in the messes Obama is creating.

Here's Obama's accomplishment. A crummy stimulus bill that is by no means making our economy healthier, financial bailouts that's making the huge banks and bankers richer and not helping us or the economy, and a health care reform that's a gift to big PhRMA and the insurance industry and crap for us, and this:

Obama team makes it official: Budget deficit hits record. By a lot.

The deficit for Fiscal Year 2009, which ended Sept. 30, came in at a record $1.42 trillion, more than triple the record set just last year.

In addition, future deficits are currently projected to total $9.1 trillion in the coming decade. ...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/10/620000005/1

 

[palemale]

Well let's break down that post of yours.



A reasonable mind would conclude that you can't possibly know what everyone here believes about whether or not I've gotten over the primaries. Either you are deeply delusional in believing you know what everyone here thinks or you are lying.



This implies I refer countless times to the primaries. That's a lie. I rarely refer to the primaries. In your attempts to define me that way, you guys refer to them a lot more than I do.



This is a lie, proved not only by a lot of private messages and comments but also by some who post publicly that even though they often don't agree with me they appreciate my truth telling and how it helps them see some things they otherwise would not.

You lie about me. Why don't you grow up, address what public officials and media personalities are doing rather than lying about me and what "everybody" here thinks of me. Your attacks are high schoolish personal attacks.






You can complain and ridicule until the cows come home but you have a problem. A great big huge problem: I've been right about Obama and ObamaNation, and that's why you can't defeat my arguments with factual defense of Obama. And so rather than man up and hold Obama accountable, you attack me personally to protect your Dear Leader. That makes you complicit in the messes Obama is creating.

Here's Obama's accomplishment. A crummy stimulus bill that is by no means making our economy healthier, financial bailouts that's making the huge banks and bankers richer and not helping us or the economy, and a health care reform that's a gift to big PhRMA and the insurance industry and crap for us, and this:

It's Nick's world, the rest of us only live in it. Must be great to live in an alternate reality.

When your arguments are shown to be specious, you just ignore those responses. A good example was on this thread. When you and others carried on about how undeserving Obama was of the Nobel prize and how it diminished the prize, I pointed out that some other recipients had received the award with scant accomplishment, such as the Dalai Lama. You extolled his virtues, but couldn't answer when I challenged you to name what accomplishments he had that made him more deserving than Obama. Instead of manning up and admitting that I was right, or that the Dalai Lama was undeserving of the prize, you were silent.

 

[NickCole]

It's Nick's world, the rest of us only live in it. Must be great to live in an alternate reality.

And still you go on with unfounded personal ridicule. Very ObamaNation.

When your arguments are shown to be specious, you just ignore those responses. A good example was on this thread. When you and others carried on about how undeserving Obama was of the Nobel prize and how it diminished the prize, I pointed out that some other recipients had received the award with scant accomplishment, such as the Dalai Lama. You extolled his virtues, but couldn't answer when I challenged you to name what accomplishments he had that made him more deserving than Obama. Instead of manning up and admitting that I was right, or that the Dalai Lama was undeserving of the prize, you were silent.

I never said Obama receiving the prize diminished it.

Again and again and again you just make up stuff and pretend it's true. Like Obama.

And I did answer, at length and in detail, about the Dalai Lama and pointed you to sources like Wiki, which you said you read. There's no reason to clog a thread with cut and paste or re-written lists that appear at easily accessable sites. Your response to the Dalai Lama's accomplishments provided at Wiki was to complain that Buddhism opposes the practice of homosexuality. That was such a lame and pathetic post I didn't bother responding. All of the world's Great Religions oppose the practice of homosexuality and that has no more to do with the Dalai Lama's achievements than it does Mother Teresa's or any other religious leader's.

 

[NickCole]

Spot-on commentary from a Washington journalist who receives the emails the White House sends out to the media:

Barack Obama: 'Oh, did I mention I won the Nobel prize?'

The conventional wisdom is that President Barack Obama was embarrassed by the patently ludicrous award to him of the Nobel Peace Prize. And to be fair it did seem so when he accepted the honour (a term I use loosely) last Friday, quoting his daughter Malia as saying: “Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo’s birthday!” (call me a cynic but that’s a fabricated quote if ever I heard one).

Since then, however, it’s become abundantly clear that Obama isn’t even faintly sheepish about the award. Yeah, there’s all the usual guff about him being humbled, it’s about us not him blah blah blah. But this can’t mask the fact that he’s as pleased as punch about landing the prize. He’s lapping it up and seems to view it – sadly and mistakenly – as a major validation.

Apart from the clue that he’s going to skip over to Oslo to pick up the gong personally (great opportunity for a wonderful speech), consider the emails his White House is sending out. No opportunity to shoehorn in a mention of the Nobel prize is being missed. ...

[snip -- but go in and read it]

All in all, it’s a hilarious display of vanity and self-absorption masquerading ineptly as humility and selflessness.

But there’s a serious question: What does it say about Obama’s character when such an empty symbol means so much to him?

Read the rest: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...obama-oh-did-i-mention-i-won-the-nobel-prize/

 

[palemale]

You still can't explain what the Dalai Lama accomplished that made him more deserving than Obama, can you? I read your posts, you didn't answer the question. The Dalai Lama gives speeches about peace and harmony, I get it. He teaches, I get it. He fled into exile after his government signed over Tibetan sovereignty to the Chinese, I get it. I'm not saying he didn't deserve the prize, but what has he accomplished that made him more deserving than Obama?

 

[NickCole]

You still can't explain what the Dalai Lama accomplished that made him more deserving than Obama, can you? I read your posts, you didn't answer the question. The Dalai Lama gives speeches about peace and harmony, I get it. He teaches, I get it. He fled into exile after his government signed over Tibetan sovereignty to the Chinese, I get it. I'm not saying he didn't deserve the prize, but what has he accomplished that made him more deserving than Obama?

He's DONE something, over many years, decades, in the pursuit of peace and unification.

All Obama's ever done is win elections.

And it's a peace prize. The Dalai Lama has worked for peace. Obama is continuing two wars and amping up one of them.

 

[palemale]

Spot-on commentary from a Washington journalist who receives the emails the White House sends out to the media:

Why should we care what a snarky, conservative British journalist employed by the house newspaper of the Conservative Party has to say? Love your sources, Nick.

 

[NickCole]

Why should we care what a snarky, conservative British journalist employed by the house newspaper of the Conservative Party has to say?

ObamaNation keeps telling us what it's really about by labeling people and dismissing them and what they have to say rather than addressing the substance of what they say.

Love your sources, Nick.

That's not a source, it's political commentary as I indicated.

And there you go again, mischaracterizing what I post.