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Prez Obama on Al-Arabiya TV 1st

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I agree the right wing will spin it one way, but the "sensible center" of America will understand that President Obama is trying to marginalize the extremists by appealing directly to Arabs and Muslims. Already al qaeda is reportedly trying to combat the positive image of Obama's election because it undermines nearly everything they say about America.

Its also important to understand the importance of President Obama being in control of the national security apparatus. The sniping will come from folks out of power who Americans believe really screwed up when they were in control.
 
Remember how people screamed when Nixon went to China?

Okay, I don't either, actually, but any time an American president has made a bold move there have been hysterics.

As with Nixon, the best thing to do here is to see what the man says and does, and what comes of it.
 
What is this "spin" you keep talking about and how does it apply to Obama's interview with Al-Arabiya? Isn't this the president's job? To diplomatically and advantageously discuss peace, especially in the elusive region of the Middle East?
 
They tried it out and it was HILARIOUS. Mccain went to a black forum this past election and looked SOOOOO uncomfortable. The look on his face said "Mabye if I fake a heart attack I can get outta this thing early."

They're not alone: He looks that way frequently when he's talking to anyone who makes less than $5 million a year.
 
We're fucked. BO is going to get us another terrorist attack in the US. Read this article too: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5595874.ece

What the fuck? The Islamists want to kill us, and BO is out there making nicey nicey with Arab TV, telling Arabs/Muslims we're their best friends (when they want our blood), and claiming he'll make a major speech in a Muslim capital (and get assasinated too!).

Well, it's meant to happen. There will be blood. Obama's complamency and dumbassness will get us in trouble.

They don't want to talk to us. They want to kill us.

Well fine. A bunch of us will die. And the Democrats will be booted out.

I don't really give a shit anymore. The country's going to go to the ruin. And so it was written in scripture (and I'm not even a Christian or religious), and so it will be.

Laugh all you like, but it's the way it's going to go. Obama = Chamberlain, to say the least.
 
This isn't a joke anymore. I'm not personally upset because 1. nothing I can do about it and 2. it's meant to be

Obama is setting new dangerous precedent. The first person he calls is a Palesitnian leader. The first interview with an Arab TV station. The first week he is already talking up the facist mideast regimes at the expense of us (like we have something to fucking apologize for because they attacked us) .

This isn't an ordinary democrat like Clinton , Gore, or Kerry would have been. This is a guy who will let Iran get nuclear, North Korea go unchecked, and terrorists kill us.

It doesn't matter if you're an extreme lefty who sympathizes with Hamas like some of you are. You're still an American. And that's enough to be targeted. You can be all their buddy buddy you want, but it's not going to make a fucking difference. GenAlfie, Bear, etc. - if they could, they would kill you as equally as they would kill the rest of us.

Right now it's all fun and games. You'll laugh. Oh extreme right winger you just hate Obama you're bitter. All we need to do is make nice with the Arab and Muslim states. They're so great and cool and Bush is just a fucking moron who did this and that, but Ahmadinejad, eh, he's not that bad. Oh yeah, and if we go on blaming the nations, we're racist.

OK, fine, I'll take that for now. When you see your sheltered, comfortable lives change because of Obama, we'll talk again. It's all laughs and eye rollling for now. That will change.

At least with Bush, your life didn't change that much. You didn't lose anybody to terrorism or war. life went on pretty peacefully despite the last economic year crisis. And remember in terms of economics, 7 out of 8 years were strong.
 
This isn't an ordinary democrat like Clinton , Gore, or Kerry would have been. This is a guy who will let Iran get nuclear, North Korea go unchecked, and terrorists kill us.
Wouldn't Obama be following Bush's lead?

At least with Bush, your life didn't change that much. You didn't lose anybody to terrorism or war. life went on pretty peacefully despite the last economic year crisis. And remember in terms of economics, 7 out of 8 years were strong.

Don't you know anyone in the military?
Our lives should have changed after 9/11 that's the problem.
 
At least with Bush, your life didn't change that much.

Talk on the phone much?

Fly much?


One of the first things several people I know did after the "USA PATRIOT" Act was signed was to get encryption for their computers and run all their communications through them. Their lives -- all our lives -- changed just knowing that thanks to Bush, there wasn't any such thing as communications privacy any longer.

And friends of my dad gave up flying, since it had become hazardous to their health. Why? Because of the rude, intrusive, degrading procedures established by Bush aggravated heart conditions.

With Bush, our lives changed a lot -- but in ways that left us like a frog in the pan of water, not even noticing as the temperature climbed, heading toward "well done".


Obama has at least got the courage to talk to people, to apologize for our behavior as a country, which has treated those in the Middle East as a convenience for us, not really as people. I can understand their feelings, being in a part of a state that is treated by those in the urban area as their playground, so they can tell us how to live, how to use (or not use) our property, where and when we can build or even repair our houses. The U.S. has treated the people of the Middle East as serfs and pawns -- and while Bush acted as thought that was some sort of divine right, Obama is acknowledging that it was wrong.

Why would he talk to people from that part of the world first? Because that part of the world is where our biggest problem lies.

I don't know if he's read Sun Tzu's The Art of War, but this opening gambit shows he grasps parts of it at least. If he plays well after this move, and indeed knows the art of war, in a few years we will have friends in the Muslim world doing the job of fighting the terrorists where they live.

This isn't a feel-good mission, I'm thinking. If he knows what it seems he knows, he's just changed the field of battle, or more accurately opened a new front.

Obama is looking more hard-nosed than I expected: challenging Pakistan in its dedication to fighting the extremists, upping the ante in Afghanistan, and now taking the conflict to the terrorists' own living room.

Stop and think, yn: where this war started was when U.S. dollars started fueling a worldwide Islamicist extremist movement. Thanks to past presidents, we sparked the whole madrashah and jihadist movement, and thanks to others turned it against ourselves. Obama is aiming at where you always aim in a guerilla war, in asymmetrical warfare: at the population where the enemy lives, to turn them into the enemy of our enemy by making them our friend.

That's something that General Petraeus understood in Iraq, and put to work. It's the big reason that the "surge" showed success. But Obama seems to be taking it to the whole Muslim world. And if it works, honest, decent Muslims will be turning terrorists in to their own governments, and keeping their children from seeing terrorists as heroes, and the recruits will dry up, and the havens will shrink.

It's something McCain understood and expressed idiotically with his comment about "a hundred years": this is not a conflict born on 9/11, but a conflict of generations, one that took generations building, and will take generations settling. Bush didn't get that, which was obvious because he talked to the Muslim world as though he expected they wanted to be morphed into becoming American suburbanites, to become us. Obama apparently does get it, because he's off to do his best to talk to them as themselves, not as potential American clones.

On this issue, he's not looking bad at all. This is a good move.
 
Obama is setting new dangerous precedent. The first person he calls is a Palesitnian leader. The first interview with an Arab TV station. The first week he is already talking up the facist mideast regimes at the expense of us (like we have something to fucking apologize for because they attacked us)

Who attacked you? "They" You mean the brown people? What the fuck do you mean "they"?

Most facist regimes in the middle-east are actualy patron-states of yours, that your government props up, but while we're on the subject of kissing the arses of middle-eastern autocrats...could I draw your attention to the simpering, gag-inducing flattery visited on king Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud by your then chimp of a chief, every time he came into contact with him. If you need reminding, he's the king of saudi Arabia, where bin laden, most of the 9/11 hijackers and most importantly, thier salafist ideology came from. They've been able to export this ideology for decades now, as well as finance wahabist extremism, thanks to the military support that is garenteed by your country.

Obama is trying to approach the middle-east with dialogue as opposed to guns and he's the one putting you in harms way?




It doesn't matter if you're an extreme lefty who sympathizes with Hamas like some of you are. You're still an American. And that's enough to be targeted. You can be all their buddy buddy you want, but it's not going to make a fucking difference. GenAlfie, Bear, etc. - if they could, they would kill you as equally as they would kill the rest of us.

Again, who's this they?


At least with Bush, your life didn't change that much. You didn't lose anybody to terrorism or war.

What the fuck are you on about? I'm sure the families of all the dead servicemen and women from Iraq and Afghanistan would disagree with you. And while you may have not had a terrorist attack since 9/11 (which was within bush's tenure by the way,) there have been other places that have. I know to folk like you, the world outside the US doesn't mean shit for the most part, but thanks to the policies of bush, lots of people across the world have died. Are thier lives less valuable because they weren't born in the US?
 
It doesn't matter if you're an extreme lefty who sympathizes with Hamas like some of you are. You're still an American. And that's enough to be targeted.
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True, but the bedwetters are ashamed of America and they are ashamed of being American.

They think America deserves to be punished.
 
True, but the bedwetters are ashamed of America and they are ashamed of being American.

They think America deserves to be punished.

Funny how you call the liberals bedwetters, while it appears even here in JUB's political section you are complaining more than the vast majority of them. :lol:
 
Funny how you call the liberals bedwetters, while it appears even here in JUB's political section you are complaining more than the vast majority of them. :lol:

Count the posts. My puny 900+ against tens of thousands. Doesn't quite add up.
 
Count the posts. My puny 900+ against tens of thousands. Doesn't quite add up.

Just take a look at the front page to see how foolish that statement is. About half the front page is the right wing complaining about Obama. Much more complaining, or as you like to call it bedwetting, than the lefties atm. :lol:
 
Just take a look at the front page to see how foolish that statement is. About half the front page is the right wing complaining about Obama. Much more complaining, or as you like to call it bedwetting, than the lefties atm. :lol:

The front page of what?
 
Yeah I have like what, 650 posts and I've been here a year and a half. GenALfie has double my posts and has been here 3 months. (and most of my posts are not even in this forum, I only joined post obama)

Point is, before Obama I didn't even have anything to say. With these lefty "bedwetters" they're still bitching even though their man is in office!

Who attacked us? The extremist Muslims, that's who. No, not all Muslims. No, not all Arabs. But a significant amount of the popiulation supports those who did.

Wow, so a little inconvenience flying isn't worth preventing terrorism?

OK, yes the military had their lives change. But these are men and women who bravely put their lives on their line - IT"S THEIR JOB to do this.

With Obama, even liberal pansies who hide behind their comfortable lives on their new macbook pro will be targeted.

You heard it here first.
 
Oh yeah, might I add being homosexuals, any of you would be candidates for instant torture and murder in most of the Muslim world. And Obama is out there apologizing? To nations that don't allow women to vote, allow fathers to murder daughters who are raped, execute homosexuals, kill converts to Christianity.... unfuckingbelievable.

It's not racism. 1. Islam isn't a race and 2. I have nothing against most individuals Muslims. But several Muslim nations have some or all of the above laws on the books - Iran, Saudi Arabia, and to a lesser degree Pakistan Syria Egypt and others
 
No one is apologising for these regimes. We're taking issue with this hysterical knee-jerk response that dialogue with these countries will lead to terrorist attacks. Two out of the five countries you just listed, Pakistan and Egypt are actualy in your pocket at the momment, so don't hit out at the "apologists" when not for one second would you critcise the previous administrations close ties with them. As for saudi Arabia...you're in thier pocket.
 
Just take a look at the front page to see how foolish that statement is. About half the front page is the right wing complaining about Obama. Much more complaining, or as you like to call it bedwetting, than the lefties atm. :lol:

These gay [STRIKE]men[/STRIKE] complaining are the types you see on TV and you tell your friends "we're not all like that".

I think there is some humor is seeing a 50 + year old looking on the net for negative things to bitch about Obama.

That's funny.

I hope at that age I feel I have some purpose in life. If I don't, I hope I won't do what a lot of older people with too much time on their hand do... play bingo or stir shit up (Minute Men, finding reasons to not like a group of people who are different, etc.).
 
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