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Pride and the Public

Like I say-- there's a Nobel Prize in Medicine waiting for the person who can figure out the origins of homosexuality.
 
rareboy said:
The best part of Pride is how it triggers the closet case 'str8s'

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All my friends are straight. In 18 years of being out none of them have ever had a problem with or felt threatened by Pride. It's never even come up as a topic.
 
Araucaria said:
Like I say-- there's a Nobel Prize in Medicine waiting for the person who can figure out the origins of homosexuality.
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Plot twist, there's no origin story any more than there is for the origins of brown eyes/green eyes, tall/short, curly hair/straight hair. It's simply a variance of humanity, I think aside from sincere scientific curiosity a lot of the need to find a "cause" is cultural and political.
 
Araucaria said:
Like I say-- there's a Nobel Prize in Medicine waiting for the person who can figure out the origins of homosexuality.
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Won't happen.

Topic is too hot. Too much potential for abuse, by both gay advocates and gay opponents. And lesbians may not even be anything other than preference.

Remember that causation implies a deformity.

We haven't even cured baldness.

I don't see anything but money not being flowed into orientation research. It'll break the spell.
 
We do realize that this is evermore smokescreen politics right? I mean first it was giving us the rights to marry and easing adoption rights which is still difficult for gays, then it was/is abortion, now its trans rights and back to gay rights! The whole thing is designed to pit us against each other while the government runs fun and fancy free going unchecked because we're busy with the small battle we cant be torn from to fight the big battles universal school & health care, veterans services, homelessness, drugs, gang violence, political corruption, food inequality, bringing jobs back to America to get our people working instead of providing the work force to 98% of mainland China! They think no one is paying attention I am!
 
pat grimshaw said:
Oh aaggii, that’s a passionate response. What has led you to this? Are you a schoolteacher?

Or do you distrust parents? Were you wounded by your own?

Are you insisting that your experiences and values must be placed on every child?

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It's a measurably stupid plan. Many parents will teach abstinence only. Check the std and teen pregnancy rates in areas that teach abstinence. Many parents themselves couldn't tell you what a karotype is and you want them teaching gender and sex? How will this impact youth LGBT suicide rates? You didn't put any thought into your idea and were appropriately called out for it. Next time think first, type last. I'm so busy I don't even have time to explain why placing the burden of sex education for an entire nation on parents is a terrible idea. If you aren't gonna get on board with the rest of the 21st century, at least bring ideas that aren't bad.
 
pat grimshaw said:
Do you have the rates?
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Google does
pat grimshaw said:
Are you a parent?
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Irrelevant
pat grimshaw said:
Did you have bad parents?
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No, I had good parents that raised me to not be a bigot. And I thank the heavenly stars above my sex education didn't come from them. Some people don't have parents, some people's parents are too busy to be teachers, some peope's parents are illiterate, some people's parents are drug addicts or homeless. Your "plan" has massive gaps, to call it "negligent" would be complimentary.

Have you begun to understand why your idea won't work, if you pitched it to us in-person the most polite thing we could do would be to wait until you leave the room to laugh.
 
Didn't you know?

Only the proper biological heterosexual parents can define the gender identity and sexual preference of their own sprog.

I guess so many of us were lucky that our parents allowed us to be homos from a young age.
 
rareboy said:
Only the proper biological heterosexual parents can define the gender identity and sexual preference of their own sprog.
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I thought that was God's job.

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Is this what we're meant to be getting hot under the collar about? Catch me up somebody. I'm straining every nerve and sinew here, trying to get as woke as I can, chewing my knuckles worrying about the first-world problems afflicting parents in California, but I can't work out whose side I'm supposed to be on.

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CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE— 2023–2024 REGULAR SESSION​


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ASSEMBLY BILL
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NO. 957​


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Introduced by Assembly Member Wilson
(Principal coauthor: Senator Wiener)​

February 14, 2023​





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An act to amend Section 1277.5 of the Code of Civil Procedure, and to amend Section 3011 of the Family Code, relating to family law.





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LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST​


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AB 957, as amended, Wilson. Family law: gender identity.
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Existing law authorizes a person to petition for a court order conforming the person’s name to the person’s gender identity. Existing law requires the court, upon the filing of a petition commencing a proceeding for a change of name to conform the petitioner’s name to the petitioner’s gender identity, to make an order reciting the filing of the petition and directing all persons interested in the matter to make their objections known, as specified. Existing law requires the petition and order to be served on the parent who did not sign the petition if a petition to change the name of a minor to conform to their gender identity does not include the signature of both living parents, as specified.

This bill would require the court to strongly consider that affirming the minor’s gender identity is in the best interest of the child if a nonconsenting parent objects to a name change to conform to the minor’s gender identity.


Existing law governs the determination of child custody and visitation in contested proceedings and requires the court, for purposes of deciding custody, to determine the best interests of the child based on certain factors, including, among other things, the nature and amount of contact with both parents and the health, safety, and welfare of the child.
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This bill would require a court, when determining the best interests of a child, to also consider a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity.


This bill, for purposes of this provision, would include a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity as part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child.
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DIGEST KEY​


Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: no Local Program: no ​

BILL TEXT​

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THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:​



SECTION 1.Section 1277.5 of the Code of Civil Procedure is amended to read:1277.5.​
(a)(1)If a proceeding for a change of name to conform the petitioner’s name to the petitioner’s gender identity is commenced by the filing of a petition, the court shall thereupon make an order reciting the filing of the petition, the name of the person by whom it is filed, and the name proposed. The order shall direct all persons interested in the matter to make known an objection to the change of name by filing a written objection, which includes the reasons for the objection, within six weeks of the making of the order and shall state that if no objection showing good cause to oppose the name change is timely filed, the court shall, without hearing, enter the order that the change of name is granted.

(2)(A)If a petition is filed to change the name of a minor to conform to their gender identity and the petition does not include the signatures of both living parents, the petition and the order to show cause made in accordance with paragraph (1) shall be served on the parent who did not sign the petition, pursuant to Section 413.10, 414.10, 415.10, or 415.40, within 30 days from the date on which the order is made by the court. If service cannot reasonably be accomplished pursuant to Section 415.10 or 415.40, the court may order that service be accomplished in a manner that the court determines is reasonably calculated to give actual notice to the parent who did not sign the petition.

(B)If a nonconsenting parent objects to a name change to conform to the minor’s gender identity, the court shall strongly consider that affirming the minor’s gender identity is in the best interest of the child pursuant to Section 3011 of the Family Code.

(b)The proceeding for a change of name to conform the petitioner’s name to the petitioner’s gender identity is exempt from a requirement for publication.

(c)A hearing date shall not be set in the proceeding unless an objection is timely filed and shows good cause for opposing the name change. Objections based solely on concerns that the proposed change is not the petitioner’s actual gender identity or gender assigned at birth shall not constitute good cause. At the hearing, the court may examine under oath any of the petitioners, remonstrants, or other persons touching the petition or application and may make an order changing the name or dismissing the petition or application as the court may deem right and proper.


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SEC. 2.SECTION 1.​


Section 3011 of the Family Code is amended to read:
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3011.​


(a) In making a determination of the best interests of the child in a proceeding described in Section 3021, the court shall, among any other factors it finds relevant and consistent with Section 3020, consider all of the following:
(1) (A) The health, safety, and welfare of the child.
(B) As used in this paragraph, the health, safety, and welfare of the child includes a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity.
(2) (A) A history of abuse by one parent or another person seeking custody against any of the following:
(i) A child to whom the parent or person seeking custody is related by blood or affinity or with whom the parent or person seeking custody has had a caretaking relationship, no matter how temporary.
(ii) The other parent.
(iii) A parent, current spouse, or cohabitant of the parent or person seeking custody, or a person with whom the parent or person seeking custody has a dating or engagement relationship.
(B) (i) As a prerequisite to considering allegations of abuse, the court may require independent corroboration, including, but not limited to, written reports by law enforcement agencies, child protective services or other social welfare agencies, courts, medical facilities, or other public agencies or private nonprofit organizations providing services to victims of sexual assault or domestic violence.
(ii) As used in this paragraph, “abuse against a child” means “child abuse or neglect” as defined in Section 11165.6 of the Penal Code.
(iii) Abuse against another person, as described in clause (ii) or (iii) of subparagraph (A), means “abuse” as defined in Section 6203.
(3) The nature and amount of contact with both parents, except as provided in Section 3046.
(4) (A) The habitual or continual illegal use of controlled substances or the habitual or continual abuse of alcohol or prescribed controlled substances by either parent. Before considering these allegations, the court may first require independent corroboration, including, but not limited to, written reports from law enforcement agencies, courts, probation departments, social welfare agencies, medical facilities, rehabilitation facilities, or other public agencies or nonprofit organizations providing drug and alcohol abuse services.
(B) As used in this paragraph, “controlled substances” has the same meaning as defined in the California Uniform Controlled Substances Act (Division 10 (commencing with Section 11000) of the Health and Safety Code).
(5) (A) When allegations about a parent pursuant to paragraph (2) or (4) have been brought to the attention of the court in the current proceeding and the court makes an order for sole or joint custody or unsupervised visitation to that parent, the court shall state its reasons in writing or on the record. In these circumstances, the court shall ensure that an order regarding custody or visitation is specific as to time, day, place, and manner of transfer of the child as set forth in subdivision (c) of Section 6323.
(B) This paragraph does not apply if the parties stipulate in writing or on the record regarding custody or visitation.
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(6)A parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity because it is in the best interest of the child to affirm their gender identity.


(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), the court shall not consider the sex, gender identity, gender expression, or sexual orientation of a parent, legal guardian, or relative in determining the best interests of the child.​
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God seems to be largely absent when it comes to evolution, biology and neurology. We see this in selective breeding everyday.

Unless one imagines that someone's god decided to create homosexuals...or bisexuals...or intersexuals...just to fuck around with and find out.

What is at stake here for gender identity also will resonate with sexual identification by minors.

We have seen a rollback in civilized countries of the use of conversion therapy imposed on children whose parents find their lgbtq identification abhorent and an affront to themselves and whatever god they believe in.

It was the government (which bear in mind is simply the organization for the things we do together in secular society) that stepped up to protect children.

By taking the stance that anyone below an arbitrary legal age limit has no agency, or lacks the psychological ability to express innate identity only results in dysfunctional development for a lot of struggling adolescents. Certainly in a country like the US, where killing of children of children in mass shootings takes a back seat to the rights of the arms industry, it isn't surprising that many wouldn't care about suicide or psychological damage by parents who want to force their sons and daughters into heteronormative behaviour based on their fear of a rather hateful bronze age god...but perhaps in other, less fundamentalist countries, there may be enough people who understand that a god who doesn't really seem to give a shit about children after they exit the womb might not be the best authority when it comes to understanding complex human behavioural science that defines their sexual and gender identification.

People often forget that producing a child takes neither skills or hard work. And we have millions of examples where 'parents' demonstrate through overt acts of cruelty and neglect that they are not to be trusted with the development of the product produced by their fucking.

These are early days in this whole area. Just like the early days of confirming that being homosexual was not a mental health deficit.
 
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