Pride and the Public

[Essex Boy]

We have seen a rollback in civilized countries of the use of conversion therapy imposed on children whose parents find their lgbtq identification abhorent and an affront to themselves and whatever god they believe in.

It was the government (which bear in mind is simply the organization for the things we do together in secular society) that stepped up to protect children.

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People often forget that producing a child takes neither skills or hard work. And we have millions of examples where 'parents' demonstrate through overt acts of cruelty and neglect that they are not to be trusted with the development of the product produced by their fucking.

You're implying that children need to be saved from their parents. What I'm beginning to find worrying is that some zealots, including school teachers, at the Q+ end of the LGB-etc. line-up are trying to twist the minds of boys and girls into believing they can be trigender, agender, intergender or whatever if they wish it so, and persuading them that their parents are the abusers for trying to bring them up as boys or girls. I mean children who are still at the age where they believe everything an adult tells them. Who is protecting them, and their parents, from that sort of abuse?

I don't believe this sort of cult-like indoctrination is all that common in the world as a whole (not yet anyway, despite my YouTube recommendations being packed with videos about it) but that doesn't make it any less worrying. How well known is this character, Jeffrey Marsh, who is said to be huge on TikTok? Is he not dangerous, aside from being merely creepy?

 

[rareboy]

It isn't about zealots.

Want to know where your concern ends?

Putin ordered the Ministry of Health to create a psychiatric institute to study the behavior of LGBT people. This could mean the beginning of the implementation of forced conversion therapy.

But I guess we'll see where the smug, self satisfied, cocksuckers end up on this subject once it eventually leads back to to the redefinition of homosexuality as an abhorrent aberration in Minors.

I know from a lifetime of experience that there are likely millions of children who need to be saved from the breeders who spawned them.

If you aren't cognizant of this simple reality, then I am glad for your blissful ignorance, but please don't get in the way of all of those trying to save them.

 

[pat grimshaw]

I don't believe this sort of cult-like indoctrination is all that common in the world as a whole

Well, one quarter of English schoolchildren believe themselves to be "Non-Binary" (whatever that means).

 

[pat grimshaw]

I mean children who are still at the age where they believe everything an adult tells them

School children are sponges. Certain people "don’t care much about economy. They care about the birth rate and education.…

To them it’s simple—whichever segment of the population has the highest birth rate, and does the best job of transmitting their value wins. If you control the children, you control the future".

 

[pat grimshaw]

Both the right and the left are wrong to take the fight to the elementary schools.

The school staff control the schools. And the poor passive children have no capacity for critical thinking.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671346636797214721

 

[EddMarkStarr]

Private schools in the Seattle area have waiting lists as many parents seen public education as a cruel joke. I work for my State Education department and I have constant arguments with staff about education in Washington failing at goals for reading and math.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Reading and math must be a priority!

As everyone who tries to communicate with teens and 20-somethings knows the bulk of them are illiterate, innumerate and ineloquent.

 

[pat grimshaw]

some zealots, including school teachers, at the Q+ end of the LGB-etc. line-up are trying to twist the minds of boys and girls into believing they can be trigender, agender, intergender or whatever if they wish

These New York groomers are explicit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672410287251529735

 

[Alistair]

 

[NotHardUp1]

But I guess we'll see where the smug, self satisfied, cocksuckers end up on this subject once it eventually leads back to to the redefinition of homosexuality as an abhorrent aberration in Minors.

I know from a lifetime of experience that there are likely millions of children who need to be saved from the breeders who spawned them.

If you're campaigning for equality or respect, you're failing horribly.

You used "cocksuckers" as an epithet, a heteronormative slur against gay men, so clearly homophobic.

You referred to heterosexuals as "breeders," clearly a slur against heterosexuality.

There is no point in going to a culture war if your side is just as depraved as the enemy's.

The fight was supposed to be for a better society, for a just world, for equality. All you do is present a rage campaign of scorched earth attacks that justify homophobia from the majority heterosexual population. Don't do that.

 

[pat grimshaw]

These New York groomers are explicit

And the groomers of San Francisco are equally explicit—

https://twitter.com/x/status/1648409208885329931

 

[rareboy]

If you're campaigning for equality or respect, you're failing horribly.

You used "cocksuckers" as an epithet, a heteronormative slur against gay men, so clearly homophobic.

You referred to heterosexuals as "breeders," clearly a slur against heterosexuality.

There is no point in going to a culture war if your side is just as depraved as the enemy's.

The fight was supposed to be for a better society, for a just world, for equality. All you do is present a rage campaign of scorched earth attacks that justify homophobia from the majority heterosexual population. Don't do that.

yeah yeah yeah.

I get it.

But a lot of people who spawn kinds aren't parents. And a lot of people know that. They are just in it for the fucking. And then they fuck off. Or they visit their sprog with a life of abuse and pain.

And the cocksuckers? They are just in it for the dick. Not the identity. They're the ones who provide no support for their fellow lgbtq, or fight to gain or hold onto rights. They're the ones who are always more concerned about making sure that homos stay undercover because visibility will make the str8's hate and that is is our fault if they do.

So spare me.

The US is moving backwards on rights for anyone other than white property owners.

We shouldn't even have to be 'campaigning' for equality or simple intrinsic respect at this point. Not after decades of fighting so hard.

But you do you. You are free to stay silent. You are free to ignore what is happening.

But it is telling that you are barking in my face instead of those who are actually promoting hate against lgbtq people.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Problem is, you were referring to the extremes in Russia. Russia, like Mexico, will have better government when they care enough to overthrow the one they have and stand up. Until then, there is no point in picking any one civil liberty out from the others, not even gay rights.

I suppose that may be a silver lining. If Russia performs any actual research, actual studies, it would most certainly trigger research in the West to rebut it.

As for barking, I can't see your antagonist's posts thanks to Ignore, but I can see Essex Boy, and I don't find his positions very extreme. Sexuality as a study is very much age relevant, so parents do have the right to be concerned when the introduction of curricula could plant sexual confusion where there would otherwise not be any. Every tomboy is not a budding lesbian, nor even gender non-binary. Millions of people simply identify as male or female with additional attributes that they defend the right to include without apology.

I don't agree that dissent within gays is the equal of preaching hate against gays. I don't pretend to support every letter in the alphabet.

 

[EddMarkStarr]

As a 12 year old in 1969, I never heard anything about the Stonewall Uprising until 1972, from my history teacher in high school.

 

[rareboy]

I was aware of it, because I would get Time magazine every week and we had a national newspaper reporting it.

Watershed moment.

We would likely have sweet fuck all for rights in either the US or Canada today if it weren't for some raging and unapologetic drag queens fighting the fuck back.

They are the heroes of my youth.