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Priest kisses boyfirend in public! Where will it end?

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Plans revealed for Cardiff's first gay church Jun 10 2006



Gerry Holt, South Wales Echo

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An openly gay priest-to-be has broken new barriers by becoming the first reverend pictured kissing his boyfriend in full ceremonial dress.

The groundbreaking step comes as Evangelical minister Mark Paris and his boyfriend John Allen celebrate Mark's ordination as an independent priest next weekend.

And Mark, who already offers private baptisms in the front room of the couple's Grangetown home, revealed their dream for the future - to build a church in Cardiff where same-sex couples can be married.

As our pictures show, the 26-year-old is not afraid of being shown with his partner because he feels the church needs to be inclusive of everyone.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100...irst-gay-church-name_page.html#story_continueHe said: 'Nowhere in the scriptures of the Bible is there any reference to homosexuality - Jesus himself did not mention it at all.

'I believe that this prejudice has to stop. People have got to stop judging others.

'In my eyes the only person with the right to judge is our Lord.

'People need to stop worrying about homosexuality and focus on the texts by Jesus about how to live life.'

Mark had his calling to become a priest and forge a community church 'for everyone' when he worked as a funeral director and had the task of collecting a dead baby from a Bristol hospital.

'I couldn't understand why our Lord had taken a baby at a day old but I knew then I had to become a priest,' he said.

Now he and John, 34, who hope to marry next year, have applied for Heritage Lottery Funding to build a church in Grangetown - but they have agreed that if they are not successful they will find a derelict church and do it up.

'I will be an independent priest who will support every faith, every colour and especially the gay people of Cardiff, so they can feel welcome in the house of God like any other person,' said Mark.

'My ambition is to make gay marriages legal in the eyes of the church, not just a civil ceremony.'

Mark, who celebrates his first anniversary with housekeeper John, 34, on Monday, sent out a strong message to Cardiff's gay community.

He said: 'Don't hide behind shut doors because there are people out there to help you and you are welcome into the church.'

But he said many of his congregation of more than 250 people were not gay, they simply supported his way of thinking.

Even John, who organises Mark's diary of baptisms and supports his vocation, does not follow a particular faith.

John said: 'I'm not a religious person myself but I would support him in anything he wants to do.'

Mark, who was ordained in March 2005 by the South West Evangelical Ministries in his home town of Gloucester, now faces a nervous wait before he is ordained into the International Community of St John the Divine (ICSJ) by the Right Reverend Dr Barry Rathbone next Sunday.

He and partner John are set to travel in style to the church in Bournemouth - in a limousine.

'It's going to be the best day,' he said. 'My family, who are all Catholics, will be there. My mum is very proud - over the moon.'
 
This is a good thing.

Too bad that this kind of thinking can't infect all of the hate mongers and wingnuts that have twisted and perverted religion into a miasma of bigotry and intolerance. If there were more out there like Mark, I might still have a use for organized religion.I hope that they get to build their church and that it is only the first of many.
 
Tacky to do that in his vestments. It's not happenstance that he chose to portray himself that way. He's more interested in political statements and self-aggrandizement than the sanctity of his position.
 
Look at the STRAIGHT divorce rate! How do you think GAYMEN will fare!? Lets face it! Gaymen are not known for fidelity, not by a long shot!

If gay people want to have the right to get married and the n divorced, what's the problem?
 
Peto Antoni said:
This kind of display only angers the public at large further........ though I am in favor of all gay rights and gay marriage, I would never enter such a committment with my b.f. Look at the STRAIGHT divorce rate! How do you think GAYMEN will fare!? Lets face it! Gaymen are not known for fidelity, not by a long shot!

Some men and women however CAN last quite long it seems, so why not let them marry if they feel that is what they want? I don't think gay men will fare any better than straight people, but I'm not sure they will fare any worse (partly because people like yourself will not enter such "committments", although it's not just gay people either).

You're right that this kind of display, especially because it's a kiss...only angers the (homophobic) public, but someone has to start somewhere. Straight people do these kinds of displays all the time, it's a good thing when gay people do the same. I'm not sure this is something for a gay priest to do though...
 
^^Not true...I've never seen or heard of a straight priest or preacher kissing a woman in public either...this guy is just trying to piss people off...if he was really interested in gay rights he wouldn't be behaving like this while wearing the robe...unless he feels that gay priests should get away with things non-gays can't...he's just playing into the hands of the conservatives in the church because this kind of thing scares the moderates into towing the line.
 
james1200 said:
^^Not true...I've never seen or heard of a straight priest or preacher kissing a woman in public either...this guy is just trying to piss people off..

Yes, you're right, not true generally...and I didn't mean that they do...I meant straight non-priests. I don't think it's something for priests to do, especially if they're not married. I've only ever seen one priest actually kiss his wife...and that's a bit different.

I find it odd that his boyfriend claims to be not religious though...lol. I find it odd that a priest has a boyfriend to begin with...but oh well...
 
DOUGHBOY said:
Being A Newly Developing Gnostic - I Would Suggest That Act Demonstrates More About What Christianity Is - Than Anything This False Church Has Preached In The Last 2000 Years.

Oh, the 'lost scrolls' *ahem* right...i get you...sheesh
 
Scriptures do mention homosexuality unfavorably, though Peter seems to immediately insist that these are no different form any other sin. It's true that Christ never says anything, except for this bit about eunuchs, but he's cool with them. Is he not including old testament?

I think he's more of a minister from what I read. And the fact that he wants to establish a house of worship that supports all religions makes it seem like he's more of a Unitarian Universalist type, which implies that he doesn't have to follow those celibacy laws that other preachers and ministers have to. Plus, reverends have been with wives and kissed them and whatnot for god knows how long. How is this any different?
 
bogatrice said:
Tacky to do that in his vestments. It's not happenstance that he chose to portray himself that way. He's more interested in political statements and self-aggrandizement than the sanctity of his position.

I guess I don't agree. I don't see how sanctification has been sacrificed in anyway. I think the point is that the picture wouldn't have been taken in the first place if it was a straight priest. Because of the continuous denigration of gay relationships by much of the [Christian] public at large, Paris is saying that the love he has for his BF is no less than any other priest (or priest-to-be in this case) has for his wife. I do not think that a fireman or a policeman would in any way demean his profession by kissing his husband/boyfriend in public.
 
ftw? lol... I don't know... That's a bit disturbing. Cuz not even the str8 ones are known to be kissin their girlfriends in public, or to have girlfriends at all.

I just dont know what to think of that.
 
I acutally don't know how I feel about that picture. I mean I guess its fine to celebrate his acheivements. It would be a little odd if they kissed once at every service and that itself became a sight to see. I'm happy to see that the two of them are very happy, I just hope the 2 of them never have a messy break up and throw terrible things about eachother into the press. That would send us back quite a bit from where we've come to (acutally having openly gay ministers).
 
WELL WELL WELL ..... I am that Priest Revd Fr Mark Paris , and i am shocked and some of the replys on here..

You do something to support the Gay Community and all they can do is complain..
Why Bother !!!!

I tell you why - We need to have a friend in our Lord, and, and i was doing that for the Gay Community.. To show them the Love of the Lord..

Please Feel free to have a look at the church Website @
http://icsjcardiff.tripod.com.

I will be happy to Chat to you

:D

God Bless

The one thing that you said that made sense to me is that, " the lord should be the only one to judge man."

To tell you the truth I don't agree with a priest having an intimate moment with his boyfriend in public, I also don't agree with a priest living with his boyfriend outside of wed lock.

I may disagree with peoples actions but I don't judge anyone based on what they do.

I do want to whole heartedly thank you for what you are doing for the gay community. You have made great strides on our behalf.

keep doing what you are doing.

Many thanks
Dirk..|
 
I think its a good thing, we need more of this in the world for people who might
want to go too church, or might not mind going if they did'nt have to deal
with the bigitry thats in most churches today.

And I think he and his boyfriend have every right kiss in public regardless of wether
it might offend other people or not. Since when did it mean you cant be in a relationship and worship god at the same time. I think thats part of the problem
now, thats a ridiculus rule.
 
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