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Prison for non-violent offenders?

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Prison for non-violent offenders? I am questioning what good it does to lock up people for 28years such as Kirkpatrick. I have no sympathy for him, he screwed up royal as a mayor.

But, what good does it do to spend money on housing him? Is a violent offender getting a shorter sentence to make room for him?

Would it not be more beneficial to society to put him to work and use his education and talents in a productive way?

What are your thoughts?
 
Just because it is non violent doesn't mean it doesn't really hurt people.
 
What sort of consequences are there for future offenders? Prison should act as a deterrent as well as a place of rehabilitation.
 
Other societies in the past and present have integrated labor with prison time as part of the rehabilitation. In present day US, though, there are too many forces working against such integration that the penal systems here have pretty much abandoned the labor part to avoid lawsuits and protests.
 
It is not the consensus of society that prison is for rehabilitation or even necessarily deterrence. Those are often stated goals, both of which have a long history of failure, but the purpose of prison is justice.

Sometimes justice requires little of the convicted, a fine or some public service.

Other times, it requires deeper privation of rights to balance the scales of social transgression with loss of privileges, up to and including forfeiture of life.

Although I concur that too many people are in prison in our society, I disagree that the question posed in the OP is either relevant or realistic. The subject can be productive AND in prison if productivity is some inherent good. His crimes against the people were significant, hence the sentence.
 
the prison industrial [strike]system[/strike] business is FUCKED. it destroys these guys physically and mentally and then pumps them right back into our communities damaged and unemployable, but the people who profit from this gross civil rights atrocity don't care because they live in gated communities far removed from the slightest concern about dealing with these men and women. wait, what was the question?
 
I also think that the prisons have become privatized and are an industry, when one completes their sentence they are not finished, in many cases they are damaged goods and turn to a life of crime because they can't get a job.

If they have hurt someone by some conman scheme, it seems that restitution would be easier for the victim if the offender were on a tether and could only leave a home to work.

If prison is for deterrent purposes it doesn't work, I believe that we run second place to China in incarceration.

As a society it would do us well to rethink our justice system.
 
Harke the Boeotarch said:
Hope they rape him ’til his anus becomes a reddish brown ashtray for 28 years and that he hates every minute of it.

Baby Jesus hates a corrupt official.
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We need them for banksters, tax evaders and other white collar criminals. They should be incarcerated, not pay off with money they stole - which is why they are being punished in the first place.
 
The prison system isn't making criminals. The criminals are becoming worse in prison to be sure, but they are in fact criminals. My grandmother worked in juvenile justice, and was compassionate in her job. Nonetheless, it became obvious that the system gave 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances trying to get the offender back on track. It seemed actually difficult for them to get sent to prison, and that's all before adulthood.

What is not discussed often is how the criminal mindset is established. One brick on top of another is stacked where the psyche tells itself that 1) everyone does it, 2) it doesn't matter if it hurts another 'cause I gotta do what I gotta do, 3) the society is rigged against me so anything I do is fair game, and 4) I can live one way at home and another on the street and I'm ok.

The soul is corrupted one step at a time. The deepening darkness of prison is only the latter stage. It doesn't make the industrialization of prison right, but it also doesn't make prison itself the culprit. The society at large will not correct this misdirection of resources until it honestly addresses the syndrome leading to it. And as morality in general is a taboo for any absolute statements, it is unlikely to ever happen.

As a former public school teacher, I'll add that the way out in part is to counter the white flight from public education, to return to teaching citizenship as a value, and to reform the school system to emphasize vocational paths for those who are apathetic or hostile to actual education so that the public school day is not a meaningless exercise of attending to watch the upwardly mobile middle class kids play football, do Latin club, and get all the resources as they prepare for college.

Finally, legalize marijuana. It's ubiquitous, not inherently any more criminal than booze, and will become less appealing to teens and others once the taboo is lifted. We made our own monster of it, and those dabbling in it have no business in prison.
 
^difficult to get sent to prison? :rotflmao: tries to give them multiple chances? :rotflmao: i like your fantasy world where the guards are gracious hosts and the court system gives everyone a fair shot.
 
@NotHardUp1,
My thread was actually about the educated criminal, such as Detroit's former mayor, Kirkpatrick. I used him as an example. Martha Steward comes to my mind as well. Then we have those that no one has ever heard of.

My point was that house arrest and public service along with an actual job so restitution can be made is far better than ware housing
people at the expense of the public.

Then we have the fact that certain ethnic groups in our society have a far higher rate of incarceration, add to that fact that our nation ranks among the highest in incarceration, while at the same time we read and see stories of known violent offenders being released on parole harming others again.

I would also say that vocational training is education. We are not all cut of the same cloth. At one time wood shop, auto mechanics and metal shop were quite common and were not sneered at.
Before I retired (thank God!) I had to deal with people that had no clue as to what fractions, decimals or just common math were about. One young man in his third year of college could not read a tape measure and while addressing a package asked me how to spell "read". I believe his degree was to be in I.T. so at least he would have spell check.

Juvenile justice is a topic in and of it's self, thankfully the stats. show that the detention rate has fallen significantly.
 
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