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Private enterprise in space

I WAS PROMISED FLYING CARS BY 2010!!!

The world was promised flying cars by 1950. And 50 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years, 40 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years, 30 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years and 20 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years.

In 20 years you'll plug in your flying car and it will cost only one cent to fully charge it in five seconds, thanks to fusion reactors.
 
When a rich guy spends several million for a little orbital tour, do you realize how many jobs he's supporting?

BTW, the automobile was developed and allowed all mankind to benefit without any strict government interference.

And if no one was allowed to capitalize on scientific discoveries, few would bother to make them.

In unregulated development of space, though, how long before nothing can leave orbit without being eviscerated by fast-flying space trash in orbit?
 
The fiction that space exploration, especially by SpaceX, isn't corporate welfare, is tedious. It's no less socialist than NASA and Boeing.

SpaceX’s “I’m-all-right-Jack” Elon Musk.
 
The world was promised flying cars by 1950. And 50 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years, 40 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years, 30 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years and 20 years ago fusion reactors in 20 years.

In 20 years you'll plug in your flying car and it will cost only one cent to fully charge it in five seconds, thanks to fusion reactors.


Illegal Aliens stole your cold fusion.
 
The fiction that space exploration, especially by SpaceX, isn't corporate welfare, is tedious. It's no less socialist than NASA and Boeing.

SpaceX’s “I’m-all-right-Jack” Elon Musk.

Disagree.

1. These contracts are not cost plus, the historical norm for aerospace contracts, which allow the corp to suck as much money as they can out of the gov. These are firm fixed price contracts which means any cost overruns are incurred by the corp.

2. Corporate welfare is usually seen as subsidies to businesses that are not needed and where the unrestrained operation of the free market would be preferred. The difference in this case is that there is no free market for manned space transportation to the ISS. That market does not exist. Since it is widely agreed upon that the US should have a manned spaceflight capability to transport US astronauts, that leaves two options. Either NASA can A: build and fly the rockets itself, or B: they can purchase a space transportation service in the marketplace. Since that market doesn't exist, NASA is essentially paying to create that market here by paying these two companies to development that capability. Option B is much cheaper than NASA building the rockets so the taxpayer actually pays less for the same result this way.
 
The biggest problem I've always had with NASA, especially since Apollo 11 landed on the Moon, is that they put their "eggs in one basket and then guarded that basket to Hell and back" :D When they (or Congress) scrapped the Apollo program and went with the Space Shuttle, that's all that NASA had. I look at the Navy and they don't just sail destroyers. They've got cruisers, and submarines, and air craft carriers. The army just doesn't maneuver with tanks. They also have Hummers, and APCs, and Jeeps. Each different vehicle (or water craft) does a variety of jobs as necessary. Why did NASA not continue with the Apollo space craft as an adjunct to the Shuttle. Then develop several other varied types of space craft for both near Earth orbit as well as Lunar observation and landing craft with the potential to develop a Mars reconnaissance and/or lander decades before craft of this nature are even currently on the drawing boards! Of course, there is that one, small, minor consideration that Congress in their infinite and omnipotent wisdom simply refused to give NASA any money ](*,)
 
In unregulated development of space, though, how long before nothing can leave orbit without being eviscerated by fast-flying space trash in orbit?

Elon Musk has engineers researching designs for robotic craft that would just keep orbiting the planet and scooping up small orbital trash. I like on of the ideas: arm the thing with a laser that would zap trash not to disintegrate it, but to shove it into a deteriorating orbit into the atmosphere, where it would burn up.
 
The biggest problem I've always had with NASA, especially since Apollo 11 landed on the Moon, is that they put their "eggs in one basket and then guarded that basket to Hell and back" :D When they (or Congress) scrapped the Apollo program and went with the Space Shuttle, that's all that NASA had. I look at the Navy and they don't just sail destroyers. They've got cruisers, and submarines, and air craft carriers. The army just doesn't maneuver with tanks. They also have Hummers, and APCs, and Jeeps. Each different vehicle (or water craft) does a variety of jobs as necessary. Why did NASA not continue with the Apollo space craft as an adjunct to the Shuttle. Then develop several other varied types of space craft for both near Earth orbit as well as Lunar observation and landing craft with the potential to develop a Mars reconnaissance and/or lander decades before craft of this nature are even currently on the drawing boards! Of course, there is that one, small, minor consideration that Congress in their infinite and omnipotent wisdom simply refused to give NASA any money ](*,)

The comparison to the Navy is weak; space exploration is still about at the stage back when ships were all built the same, regardless of their function. It took the Age of Exploration and the resulting astronomical growth in merchant shipping, and the related expansion of naval functions to protect commerce, to spawn a whole range of ship designs: instead of just big platforms to put weapons on in order to sink the enemy's big platforms with weapons on them, they needed ships for scouting, ships for "cruising" (not meant for battle, but able to fight if they had to), ships for fleet supply (like merchant ships, but faster and stronger), etc., while merchant shipping also diversified.

But your point about Apollo is a good one. The reason, though, was politics, which restricted budgets enough that they could either continue with going to the moon or develop serious orbital capabilities, but not both. It would have been better to modify Apollo to start leaving equipment on the moon aimed at building a base while developing the shuttle and starting a space station, but we got what we got. Congress strangled things, which showed a great lack of vision.

At this point, though, we've got capabilities that will let us build a moon base a lot more safely: we should soon be able to send robots able to excavate and set up basic shelter on the moon without needing to send humans, so when we send crews they'll have facilities waiting for them. And again, that's a place where government may turn out having to lead, because unless we lose all the greedy plutocrats with no concept of anything but further enriching themselves and get more visionaries like Musk -- lots more -- no one else is going to be able to afford it.

Unfortunately the US made a stupid turn into unbalanced budgets, thanks to the GOP, crippling the country's ability to lead. Though as I've pointed out before, NASA could end up being a solution to that, if Congress would stop putting politics before country: just one NiFe asteroid hauled back to earth orbit could pay off half the national debt -- so that's where we should be focused. If corporations get there first, we'll be stuck with the debt and its consequences; if NASA gets there first, the debt could be paid off and then the infrastructure spun into a corporation with every American getting shares... since we the taxpayers would have paid for it all.
 
I like on of the ideas: arm the thing with a laser that would zap trash not to disintegrate it, but to shove it into a deteriorating orbit into the atmosphere, where it would burn up.
A laser beam could blow a hole in something, but for what it's worth I doubt it could move anything. If so, the reaction would propel its gun backwards.
 
A laser beam could blow a hole in something, but for what it's worth I doubt it could move anything. If so, the reaction would propel its gun backwards.

Photons don't provide much in the way of a drive, so the Newtonian effect on the robot would be negligible. But it would move objects by heating material sufficiently that material would cook off the surface, and that would provide a Newtonian action-reaction effect driving the object in the opposite direction from the ejection of the material. It might take a few nudges, but small objects, like a hand tool, could be sent into re-entry.

I do wonder how well it would work on one of the hazards up there: urine crystals. I think they'd mostly just vaporize, then reform.

Even though the approach is workable, the task is daunting:

Over 21,000 pieces of space trash larger than 4 inches (10 centimeters) and half a million bits of junk between 1 cm and 10 cm are estimated to circle the planet. And the number is only predicted to go up.

There are also millions of pieces of debris smaller than a third of an inch (1 cm)
source
 
^^including Edward White's spare glove that floated out of one of the Gemini capsules during one of his space walks :-)
 
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