Project INDECT: European Surveillance

[JayHawk]

^There is a vital difference for neither Germany or the United Kingdom pretend to be the epitome of the Utopian democratic state, preaching liberty, democracy etc. to the rest of the world here lies the dilemma for those American "patriots" unable to grasp that their own government is as intrusive as other governments in the affairs of their citizens.

Hypocrisy might well be the headline for those Americans who naively believe that their own government is as white as snow in its adherence to the laws that appear to govern the NSA's activities.

We here in Greece managed to create a form of basic democracy some 2500 years ago with The Constitution of Athens under a noble politician, Pericles who nevertheless was sufficiently wise to realise that the power of the people was as self serving as their political elite. We've mislaid our democratic values, many times over the centuries but, keep trying to redeem our selves by pursuing our goals to construct a more democratic system of governance...but we don't attempt to teach the rest of the world how to govern.

Ahhhhh so the crux of the issue for you is Americans... not the actual issue. Laughable.

 

[Lostlover]

^There is a vital difference for neither Germany or the United Kingdom pretend to be the epitome of the Utopian democratic state, preaching liberty, democracy etc. to the rest of the world here lies the dilemma for those American "patriots" unable to grasp that their own government is as intrusive as other governments in the affairs of their citizens.

Hypocrisy might well be the headline for those Americans who naively believe that their own government is as white as snow in its adherence to the laws that appear to govern the NSA's activities.

We here in Greece managed to create a form of basic democracy some 2500 years ago with The Constitution of Athens under a noble politician, Pericles who nevertheless was sufficiently wise to realise that the power of the people was as self serving as their political elite. We've mislaid our democratic values, many times over the centuries but, keep trying to redeem our selves by pursuing our goals to construct a more democratic system of governance...but we don't attempt to teach the rest of the world how to govern.

Dude, you can't tell me shit with your double standards ("What's okay for the UK and Germany is not okay for the US") and lectures on democracy. You're not getting any more responses, so don't bother writing me.

Greece just left a dictatorship not too long ago. Germany almost ruined the world twice.

What's with these people from countries with questionable recent histories coming here trying to lecture?

 

[kallipolis]

Dude, you can't tell me shit with your double standards ("What's okay for the UK and Germany is not okay for the US") and lectures on democracy. You're not getting any more responses, so don't bother writing me.

Greece just left a dictatorship not too long ago. Germany almost ruined the world twice.

What's with these people from countries with questionable recent histories coming here trying to lecture?

And that's the reason, justification if you wish why this Greek and the German mod are so committed to reminding so many naive Americans that they should not surrender their liberties into the hands of those tasked to protect them from the enemies of the United States.

 

[kallipolis]

Ahhhhh so the crux of the issue for you is Americans... not the actual issue. Laughable.

Americans are the issue...your liberties...what else? We're not discussing Disney Land...there, again

 

[JayHawk]

Actually the discussion of this thread is INDECT. But I know you folks in Europe would rather just point at America and laugh. Sad but true.