Public acceptance of evolution

[killdawabbit]

God, you're stupid.

Here's the image I showed you previously of the family line coming from modern day Rhinoceros (of which there are currently 5 species - 3 of which are near extinction).

And now here's an artist's rendition of an extinct Woolly Rhinoceros. See? Nothing alike, but this Woolly Rhinoceros didn't survive into this era... nor did the Woolly Rhinoceros evolve into the Black and White Rhinoceros.

Like how Woolly Mammoths are in the same family as modern day Elephants, but they didn't survive, nor did they evolve into modern Elephants, but they come from the same ancestor.

And there are 3 more species of Rhinoceros which are critically endangered -- we won't have their fossils, we'll have their corpses and they'll become just another branch on the Rhinoceros evolutionary chain that didn't survive, along with the Woolly Rhinoceros and the Giant Rhinoceros.

NOW DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND HOW THIS ALL WORKS?

All I see on your chart is an animal at the bottom that resembles the types of tapirs and rhinos above. Superficial resemblance does not a transitional form make.

 

[killdawabbit]

Show us one iota of evidence which supports spontaneous creation for every creature and every plant and every human on Earth. You can't because it doesn't exist.

I haven't tried to show or claim any evidence of 'spontaneous creation' (whatever that is supposed to be).
The 'scientific' evidence for evolution or creation doesn't exist. It is all presupposition.
I see a flower where others see a weed.

 

[gsdx]

I haven't tried to show or claim any evidence of 'spontaneous creation' (whatever that is supposed to be).
The 'scientific' evidence for evolution or creation doesn't exist. It is all presupposition.
I see a flower where others see a weed.

That's nice. Have fun.

 

[killdawabbit]

"But we do not have enough information to know the shape of the tree for all but the smallest twigs and larger branches. There may be, for all we know, millions of missing species."

They are missing because they don't exist. At least a few of the 'millions of missing species' would have been fossilized.

" We might have a species that is an ancestor of some other species, and yet not know enough to say that they are indeed the ancestor in question."

Like maybe? oh, I don't know......a perrisodactyl?

http://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/2009/05/there_is_no_missing_link.php

 

[nguypete]

How does it feel to be so stupid?

You think we know everything there is to know right now about earth?

They're missing because they don't exist? So what happens when sometime next month we discover something else? It didn't exist till that moment? We keep adding to the fucking tree.

Go have an arrhythmia or something, what a waste of a cortex.

 

[killdawabbit]

We keep adding to the fucking tree.

With non-transitional species.

 

[fetaby]

Define transitional species...

 

[nguypete]

This is gonna be one of those endless threads with no Concrete answers to satisfy everyone here. Just keeps going in a circle til everyone drops of exhaustion.

We have concrete answers, they just don't satisfy a certain individual who is a few neurons short of brain because I don't know how to explain this in clearer terms...

There are no such thing as his concept of a transitional fossils because everything born before this second can be considered "transitional" for what the future of life looks like on earth tomorrow or 3 fucking million years from now.

We find another fossil, he'll just ask for another one for in between that time period, and then again in between that.

He's the same kind of idiot who asked the same question 50 years ago saying where are the "transitional fossils" or the "missing links" and 50 years later with the advances and new discoveries, it still won't satisfy those idiots until they have a family tree of every god damned generation since the beginning of life on earth.

People can't even figure out their family trees, how does he expect us to know everything about life on earth and have it mapped when we haven't even been to the deepest depths of it yet.

30 years from now when we've identified more extinct species to place on the evolutionary tree and that sad man dies from something, there will be another idiot to take his place asking for those "transitional fossils" in between those we've just found.

 

[killdawabbit]

Define transitional species...

Any species that is intermediate between two other species.

 

[killdawabbit]

nguypete:

We find another fossil, he'll just ask for another one for in between that time period, and then again in between that.

Exactly! Now you're getting it.

 

[nguypete]

Oh my gawd.

Go dig up your great-great-great-great grandparents and see if they've been fossilized. The answer is probably not because fossils are rare. If there's no traces of them, does it mean they never existed? Or is more likely than not that they did exist with all the other evidence?

This planet may contain millions of fossils scattered all over the world, but those "millions" have yet to be discovered because we've built over a lot of it..., and the earth has destroyed a lot of them probably in the last few million years, and those fossils are a very very minuscule, probably not even a full 1 percent of ALL the life that this planet has seen since life began.

 

[fetaby]

Any species that is intermediate between two other species.

So in the charts with the horses and the tapirs and rhinos, each of those animals are it's own species. The animals at the top of the chart, there aren't records of their existence before a certain point in time. Where did they come from? How did the species arrive?

 

[Callum]

nguypete, Christians are infamous for poisoning the well in discussions.

It is best to not even have a conversation with one.

 

[killdawabbit]

Oh my gawd.

Go dig up your great-great-great-great grandparents and see if they've been fossilized. The answer is probably not because fossils are rare. If there's no traces of them, does it mean they never existed? Or is more likely than not that they did exist with all the other evidence?

This planet may contain millions of them scattered all over the world, but those "millions" have yet to be discovered because we've built over a lot of it... and those "millions" are a very very minuscule, probably not even a full 1 percent of ALL the life that this planet has seen since life began.

"In terms of the number of individual fossils there are probably countless billions. Most large Natural History Museums will have a collection of several million. However, as you probably know there will be multiple specimens for most species. For example we have lots of different fossils of T. rex, these even have names like 'Sue' and 'Jane'. The number of different kinds of fossils (species) is much less, I think the figure is a few hundred thousand. In reality there were probably many more species in the whole history of life, but many of these never left a single fossil and others have yet to be dug up!"

http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=1408

Billions! And not a single transitional form.

 

[killdawabbit]

Where did they come from? How did the species arrive?

You tell me. There is no evidence they evolved because there are no transitions between them.

 

[fetaby]

You tell me. There is no evidence they evolved because there are no transitions between them.

But you didn't answer my question. If they didn't evolve, where did they come from? Say that rhino only showed up in history 60,000 years ago, what fucked to bring it here? Out of all those fossils you keep bringing up, which animals produced it? If none of the fossilized animals produced it, why isn't that specific species found in the fossil records over all the periods of time?

 

[nguypete]

nguypete, Christians are infamous for poisoning the well in discussions.

It is best to not even have a conversation with one.

You're right, I'm over it. I've have had my allotted internet fight for the week.

 

[Callum]

You tell me. There is no evidence they evolved because there are no transitions between them.

...did you really, really, really ignore all of the posts on page #2 of this thread? Numerous members have already sourced articles from prominent scholars. In which you responded to one with a childish 'blah blah blah' to an article and simplified rationalization of evolution. In to which you replied appearance does not equate to transition. Which is a reasonable assumption...save for the fact there's are numerous fields dedicated to uh, you know, sourcing this information. Paleobiology is a most excellent start.

Whether you choose to accept such information is entirely irrelevant to its existence. If you believe grass is green without having ever seen grass, or do not believe plant cells have cell walls because you've never seen one with your own eyes, then all the power to you.

You're right, I'm over it. I've have had my allotted internet fight for the week.

Oh, darling, no. Carry on...the faux-intellectual you're arguing with is highly amusing.

 

[killdawabbit]

But you didn't answer my question. If they didn't evolve, where did they come from?

I don't know. I wasn't there. Were you?

Say that rhino only showed up in history 60,000 years ago, what fucked to bring it here? Out of all those fossils you keep bringing up, which animals produced it?

I thought evolution was supposed to answer that question. It hasn't.

If none of the fossilized animals produced it, why isn't that specific species found in the fossil records over all the periods of time?

Huh? I believe evolution theory says that no species is found 'over all the periods of time'.

 

[fetaby]

I don't know. I wasn't there. Were you?

Maybe...

I thought evolution was supposed to answer that question. It hasn't.

Evolution theory has given it's answer, you haven't.

Huh? I believe evolution theory says that no species is found 'over all the periods of time'.

Then how did the different species that exist today come to be? If a species begins and ends without evolving into different species, explain where every different organism comes from. If the species are immutable and do not transition into different species that puts every species alive today over every period of time in record, and that is what is not in the fossil records.