Pure Homosexuals

[Willie Boy]

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Actually, he's saying the opposite - that he commends those men who are 100% gay for not selling out their true selves by playing the str8 game.

YES! That's all I'm asking. I want to know who, if they identify as 100% gay, never went against that. God, some of you people seem to need to find a reason to be offended by everything.

The point that neither of you are really getting is that even those who identify as 100% gay still have deep hidden urges and desires toward women from time to time. Those who completely deny having had them have sold out to the pressure to be "100% gay".

Everyone should be able to accept themselves the way they are. And if they choose not to pursue a specific desire it should be because they choose not to, not because they feel pressured (by any individual or group)not to.

The premise of this thread is the exact same pressure that the OP is whining about, just from the opposite direction. What hypocrisy.

As for being offended, when there is a reason built in, there is no need to find one.

 

[wooffy]

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I'm really glad to see that I'm not the only one who was offended and a little disgusted by the tone of the first post. As a pansexual, I resent your insinuation that "fooling around with a chick" (very disrespectful phrasing too, might I add) is wrong and that people who are not 100% gay are sellouts or not being "true to themselves." I am true to myself. In fact, I'm a lot truer to myself than some other people I know.

I hope you don't mind the question: why do you use the term "pansexual", and why use it over bisexual? Honest curiosity.

 

[cmlei70]

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The point that neither of you are really getting is that even those who identify as 100% gay still have deep hidden urges and desires toward women from time to time. Those who completely deny having had them have sold out to the pressure to be "100% gay".

I have NEVER had any such urges and I don't feel pressured to be 100% gay. Some of us like being gay and don't feel the need to be anything else. If anything, there's pressure not to be completely gay. I've thought about sex with women because it's been asked of me, but I've never had an urge or a thought that was not brought on by someone questioning me about straight sex. And the fact that you see this see as selling out makes you just as judgmental as the people you're criticizing. As a bisexual, you might want to believe that ALL gay men have these deep hidden urges towards women, but it's simply not true.

 

[SilverWolf]

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I hope you don't mind the question: why do you use the term "pansexual", and why use it over bisexual? Honest curiosity.

Pansexual

Pansexuality (also referred to as omnisexuality)[1] is a sexual orientation, characterized by the potential for aesthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire towards people, regardless of their gender identity or biological sex. Some pansexuals suggest that they are gender-blind; that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others.[2] For others, an individual’s sex, gender expression, or gender identity can be a key factor of attraction, despite the pansexual individual’s wide range of sex and gender attractions. As cited from the Oxford English Dictionary[3] is as "That encompasses all kinds of sexuality; not limited or inhibited in sexual choice with regards to gender or practice."

Bisexual

Bisexuality is a sexual behavior or an orientation involving physical or romantic attraction to both males and females.[1]

I'm not speaking for that guy, but generally speaking a pansexual is gender blind more or less. As in they are physically and/or romantically to attracted males, females, and transsexuals and/or people born both male and female. They may have a preference or strong leaning towards a specific or multiple genders.

A bisexual is usually more or less attracted physically and/or romantically to male or females with a possible preference or strong leaning towards one. They may have a desire physical or romantic, outside the usual male or female, but its usually not as wide and diverse as a pansexual.

 

[Willie Boy]

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I couldn't care less if you're offended . Why are you even posting here? The question I posed was to men who identify as "100% gay." I didn't ask if there were any self-idenitfying bisexuals who don't like gays.

Why do you assume I don't like gays? Because I think they should be free to be themselves and not have their desires dictated by your judgmental attitude?

And by the looks of this thread I am just one of many who found your post offensive.

BTW, why do you hate anyone who doesn't subscribe to your 100% gay demands?

 

[wooffy]

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Pansexual


Bisexual


I'm not speaking for that guy, but generally speaking a pansexual is gender blind more or less. As in they are physically and/or romantically to attracted males, females, and transsexuals and/or people born both male and female. They may have a preference or strong leaning towards a specific or multiple genders.

Thanks for the link (is there anything NOT on wiki?). I had never heard the term used in that context, or used to describe a person. The only context I am familiar with is, for example, "pansexual event" - meaning one for all sexual orientations.

 

[roadtripboy]

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Pansexual - All the main characters on Torchwood.

 

[FirmaFan]

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I want to know who here is a PURE HOMOSEXUAL. I want to know who never gave into social pressure and fooled around with a chick. I want to congragulate those who have ALWAYS been true to themselves and never engaged in heterosexual activity that society demands we do.

There is a sure-fire way to determine if a statement about sexuality is nonsense....simply switch the orientations:

I want to know who here is a PURE HETEROSEXUAL. I want to know who never gave into social pressure and fooled around with a guy. I want to congratulate those who have ALWAYS been true to themselves and never engaged in homosexual activity that society demands we do.

Show me one straight guy that has NEVER engaged in anything sexual with another guy. Engaging in such behavior is a NORMAL part of adolescent sexual development, just as a person who is gay engaging in sexual activity with a female is NORMAL.

Many many times in my youth I engaged in activities with other guys who grew up to be very very straight, and, likewise, I engaged in sexual activities with girls and I grew up to be very very gay.

Exclusive sexual activity with one gender or another for an entire lifetime is not an achievement that can be used to denounce those who have engaged in sexual activity with both sexes. Sexual experimentation with both sexes, primarily during adolescent youth, is a normal part of sexual development as has nothing to do with social pressures or "giving in" to social stigmas. It is, for lack of a better term, NORMAL!!!

 

[smiffy72]

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The point that neither of you are really getting is that even those who identify as 100% gay still have deep hidden urges and desires toward women from time to time. Those who completely deny having had them have sold out to the pressure to be "100% gay".

Oh really? Please don't assume anything about all gay men and try to pass it off as fact. For your information I have never had any desire to have sex with a woman -- actually the very thought makes me feel nauseous. It's just not in my nature.

Everyone should be able to accept themselves the way they are. And if they choose not to pursue a specific desire it should be because they choose not to, not because they feel pressured (by any individual or group)not to.

That's exactly what the OP is saying. He is commending all those who don't conform to outside pressures by staying true to themselves and their desires.

The premise of this thread is the exact same pressure that the OP is whining about, just from the opposite direction. What hypocrisy.

As for being offended, when there is a reason built in, there is no need to find one.

Utter rubbish.

 

[chewchilla]

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I just like sex, don't care if it's with a woman or man, but if it involves emotion then it's purely women who interest me. I think that makes me bi....some would say pansexual, others have called me selfish for liking sex so much. To me, an orgasm is an orgasm, so it would suggest only a physical trait in my sexual background. Why I've never fallen in love with a man I'll never know, I don't look at guys like that....complex isn't it?

 

[Willie Boy]

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Oh really? Please don't assume anything about all gay men and try to pass it off as fact. For your information I have never had any desire to have sex with a woman -- actually the very thought makes me feel nauseous. It's just not in my nature.

Apparently neither is telling the truth or being honest with yourself.

That's exactly what the OP is saying. He is commending all those who don't conform to outside pressures by staying true to themselves and their desires.

Even the most "pure" homosexual has at some point in their life considered sex with a woman/girl/female/"chick"/whatever term you want to use, if not actually experimented. There is nothing wrong with that, it is part of understanding who you really are. The OP is applying pressure against those who don't share his belief in an attempt to make him feel better about himself. He's probably feeling the desire to experiment himself, but doesn't have the balls to try it, so has come up with this stupid notion that not acting on his curiosity makes him better than others who have the courage to act.

Utter rubbish.

Yes, much of what you and the OP say fits that category. Why is it that you are the only person, other than him, to so vehemently defend his ill-conceived attack? Are you and he the same person?

 

[diamondstar]

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I had feelings for women when I was younger and it's nothing am ashamed of. However, am as attracted to a women as I am attracted to a pile of shit with flies swarming all over it. I know what I like and it's men. However, I take a women over a ugly guy any day.

 

[FirmaFan]

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There are Many straight men who've never engaged in sexual activity with a guy. I don't know why'd you think otherwise considering the fact that they STRAIGHT MEN.

Sexual preference is NEVER the black-and-white scenario that you propose it to be. As I have stated before, engaging in sexual activity with both sexes (be you gay or straight) is a natural, normal part of adolescent sexual development. People who identify themselves as straight are just as likely to have engaged in sexual activities (usually as an adolescent) with other men as gay men are to have engaged in sexual activities (usually as an adolescent) with women. If you do not understand why I know this to be true, you obviously didn't read my post where I specifically stated that in my youth I engaged in sexual exploration with guys that would now identify themselves as completely straight. Again, it's a normal part of sexual development....get over it!

Also, when did I ever "denounce" people who did engage in sexual activity with both sexes? Being proud of something doesn't mean you're denouncing everyone else who isn't like you.

This is when you denounced people who engaged in sexual activity with both sexes:

I want to congratulate those who have ALWAYS been true to themselves and never engaged in heterosexual activity that society demands we do.

What you have just said is that those who identify themselves as gay but who have engaged in sexual activity with females (like myself) have not been true to themselves and have cowered to the social demands of heterosexuality.

Do not be surprised that this conclusion is what most will derive from your statement. And don't be surprised by the retaliation that you will face when you accuse most, if not all of us, of such.

 

[smiffy72]

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Apparently neither is telling the truth or being honest with yourself.

I do not appreciate being called a liar. I am being truthful and honest. Why do you find it difficult to accept that there are men who have never been attracted to and/or ever had the desire to have sex with women?

Even the most "pure" homosexual has at some point in their life considered sex with a woman/girl/female/"chick"/whatever term you want to use, if not actually experimented. There is nothing wrong with that, it is part of understanding who you really are. The OP is applying pressure against those who don't share his belief in an attempt to make him feel better about himself. He's probably feeling the desire to experiment himself, but doesn't have the balls to try it, so has come up with this stupid notion that not acting on his curiosity makes him better than others who have the courage to act.

You are very arrogant to think you know the thoughts, desires and experiences of every gay man in the world.

Indeed, there is nothing wrong in experimenting in sexual activity with both sexes - if that's what one desires, but the OP's question is aimed at those gay men who have had straight sex due to social pressure -- not through the desire to experiment with a woman.

Yes, much of what you and the OP say fits that category.

You're the one talking total drivel. The OP's post has obviously hit a nerve with you...

Why is it that you are the only person, other than him, to so vehemently defend his ill-conceived attack?

"ill-conceived attack"? And who has he "attacked" exactly?

I choose to side with him because I think his question (which is aimed at gay men, btw) is perfectly reasonable, and doesn't deserve the aggressive attack it has received from a few sensitive and easily offended souls.

Are you and he the same person?

 

[kdeslvo]

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I hope you don't mind the question: why do you use the term "pansexual", and why use it over bisexual? Honest curiosity.

Pansexuality is kind of a complex sexual orientation to explain, but SilverWolf did a very nice job of it. I guess you could call it an extension of bisexuality, where a person is attracted to people of both the male and female genders, with a possible leaning towards one gender over the other -- for me, the gender binary doesn't even exist. There's no mental barrier against any one sex or gender identity. Man, woman, ftm transsexual, mtf transsexual, genderqueer, two-spirit, a man who likes to crossdress or wear women's lingerie but identifies as straight, or a woman who moonlights as a drag king -- they're all beautiful in their own right. I have the potential to fall in love with anyone, regardless of their identity. That's why I prefer the term pansexuality, because it's so much broader than bisexuality and covers the whole spectrum. But I know better than anyone that sexuality is a very, very personal thing. This is who I am, but who am I to judge if your own inclinations aren't the same? You are who you are.

As for the OP: sorry if I'm offended by your bigotry. Bigotry is a rather offensive thing, isn't it? As someone is a "puer homosexual," you should well be aware of that. Discriminating against others and accusing them of being sellouts while denouncing anyone who's had sex with a women is, quite frankly, reprehensible.

 

[smiffy72]

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As for the OP: sorry if I'm offended by your bigotry. Bigotry is a rather offensive thing, isn't it? As someone is a "puer homosexual," you should well be aware of that. Discriminating against others and accusing them of being sellouts while denouncing anyone who's had sex with a women is, quite frankly, reprehensible.

LOL


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[wooffy]

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Pansexuality is kind of a complex sexual orientation to explain, but SilverWolf did a very nice job of it. I guess you could call it an extension of bisexuality, where a person is attracted to people of both the male and female genders, with a possible leaning towards one gender over the other -- for me, the gender binary doesn't even exist. ...

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I suspect I know several people who would identify that way, but currently use the term "queer". I'll have to ask. I'm fortunate enough to have the kind of friends who welcome personal questions. And often return the favour... sometimes in public... our conversations can be amusing to innocent bystanders

 

[kdeslvo]

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You're quite welcome, wooffy! It's definitely something I really enjoy talking about, so I'm glad you asked. Your friends sound like a great bunch -- it's always fun having conversations that make innocent bystanders look at you funny.

gaynyualum: Now you're just being rude in addition to ignorant. Or perhaps just thick-headed, because you refuse to pull your head out of your ass long enough to see that you're insulting people. And if you don't give a shit -- well, then you're just an angry person who doesn't care about other people's feelings. Which is kind of sad. But in that case, there's nothing I can say to change your mind other than warn you that it's not a healthy attitude to not care about or respect other people's opinions.

Right, well, I think I've got all I can out of this thread. I don't care to be around such negativity. And even if you think I'm being offended for the sake of being offended (on the contrary, I'm only offended when someone says something offensive. *shrugs* Maybe I'm just funny that way), you can deny that there sure as hell is a lot of negativity, pointing fingers, and shit-stirring going around in this thread. Have a nice day, gents. *salute*

 

[Simon25]

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Haha never had sex with a chick but do like to play w boobs, they feel great and are like 2 nice pillows that are always around....plus not a flammer and act like a girl or wear their clothes so guess by society standards im not 100% gay....whoot!!

 

[gourami]

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Wonder what a homosexual living in Uganda thinks about being a purer homosexual.