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Put some meat on these bones - Need Workout Advice

Jase201

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I just joined a gym, I'm really motivated to get back into shape and probably only weigh 138lbs :eek:
My goal is to gain 20lbs. I also like running too, so I figured I'd cut back until I get to my goals.

I have no solid plans yet, so any advice on workouts and supplements are welcome.
 
Out of curiosity, how tall are you? Have you taken baseline measurements of your chest, arms, waist, legs, etc?
 
I'm 5'9. I haven't but I could if you told me how :)
I just noticed some of the other workout/weight gain threads too btw, reading them right now. Very helpful.
 
The reason I ask is your pictures in your gallery don't look underweight. You are just starting with an ectomorphic body style.

Look at BlackHoleSun's workout thread. He has a body type that is very similar to yours.

To get your baseline measurements, just get a tape measure (you can usually buy these at a grocery or department store with the sewing and clothing care supplies).

I just added a new thread showing where to measure.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5565049#post5565049
 
Thanks! Chest is about 35. My waist is 30. Arm came out to 14, and my thigh came to 19. Hope I got it right anyway. Yeah, I don't think I'm totally underweight, I do eat well, like you said I just have an ectomorph body.

Edit: Just check his thead out, very good indeed! Thanks for pointing me there.
 
I highly suggest a program like Stronglifts or Rippetoe's Starting Strength. http://stronglifts.com/ for the Stronglift's ebook, and I'm sure you can search for a writeup of the Starting Strength program somewhere. Either way, both programs revolve around compound exercises using a barbell. I've been doing Stronglifts for 2 months now, and it's worked great in improving my strength. Not so much my size, but that's mostly due to me probably not eating enough.

So yeah, if you want to beef up, the key is to eat a LOT. And then eat some more. You might think you eat a lot as it is, but it's still probably not enough. One thing a lot of people like to do is GOMAD (gallon of milk a day).
 
I highly suggest a program like Stronglifts or Rippetoe's Starting Strength. http://stronglifts.com/ for the Stronglift's ebook, and I'm sure you can search for a writeup of the Starting Strength program somewhere. Either way, both programs revolve around compound exercises using a barbell. I've been doing Stronglifts for 2 months now, and it's worked great in improving my strength. Not so much my size, but that's mostly due to me probably not eating enough.

So yeah, if you want to beef up, the key is to eat a LOT. And then eat some more. You might think you eat a lot as it is, but it's still probably not enough. One thing a lot of people like to do is GOMAD (gallon of milk a day).

Thanks for that. My father was a football coach and hes a big guy himself. I took the genes from my mom's side where everyone is skinny. He tried to bulk me up like the rest of the guys, and we did a little bit, but it was really tough. If I failed to eat or went off from my routine just a little bit, I would lose weight, so its tough, I just need to be motivated. I know what it's going to take. I used to be in great shape all through high school and part of college. It just seems like it takes a LOT of dedication with my metabolism. My metabolism seems like it might be slowing down a tad, so I'm going to give it a go again. I'm getting to where I can actually gain weight without eating gluttonously.
 
I highly suggest a program like Stronglifts or Rippetoe's Starting Strength. http://stronglifts.com/ for the Stronglift's ebook, and I'm sure you can search for a writeup of the Starting Strength program somewhere. Either way, both programs revolve around compound exercises using a barbell. I've been doing Stronglifts for 2 months now, and it's worked great in improving my strength. Not so much my size, but that's mostly due to me probably not eating enough.

So yeah, if you want to beef up, the key is to eat a LOT. And then eat some more. You might think you eat a lot as it is, but it's still probably not enough. One thing a lot of people like to do is GOMAD (gallon of milk a day).

I might add that you would probably notice more size increase with a normal bodybuilding program vs the stronglift (4x4, 5x5) programs.
Starting with compound exercises and light weights to get your core muscles ready for the heavier weights is the way to go. Form is way more important than how many lbs you lift.
Try to keep track of what you eat, it makes it easier to see where you can squeeze in some extra kcals;)
Other than that, your measurements are not bad at all, far better than what I started off with.
 
Thanks Code :-) I've already decided to start slow - last time I started too fast I hurt myself.

I still thinking about the gallon of milk a day. Sounds like a good idea, anyone else have experience with this?
 
hey im totally in the same boat as you. im 5'9, 30 waist 145 lbs barely. i used to be in the 130s. i looked at yours pics and we seem to be the same size... nice pics btw. anyway my metabolism is ridiculously fast with no signs of slowing down. my advise to you a) watch what you eat, lots of protein, carbs and some starch, b) light weights, but dont work out everyday, gotta give your muscles time to heal and grow, c)supplements twice i day. i tried whole milk everyday, didnt really work for me and it made me go to the bathroom. try soy milk, its rich in proteins and vitamins.
 
Thanks Code :-) I've already decided to start slow - last time I started too fast I hurt myself.

I still thinking about the gallon of milk a day. Sounds like a good idea, anyone else have experience with this?

That's a lot of milk. The trick with protein intake is that you have to do it in smaller amounts throughout the day. If you consume large quantities of protein in a single sitting or you exceed what your body can process in a day- you're either going to just pee or crap off the excess protein or you'll start storing fat.

Before you do anything, do a calorie count and figure out how many calories you're consuming and how much protein you're taking in. Start working from there.

The other thing that you want to kind of make a mental adjustment on is setting reasonable goals and expectations. I mentioned this to another member but genetics plays a big part in all of this. There are some guys who can eat crappy meals and still look great (at least when they're young- it catches up with them after 30). But guys like you who are thin will have to work harder and will make slower progress but a pound of muscle on you is going to look 3-4 times bigger than it would on a normal sized guy.
 
That's a lot of milk. The trick with protein intake is that you have to do it in smaller amounts throughout the day. If you consume large quantities of protein in a single sitting or you exceed what your body can process in a day- you're either going to just pee or crap off the excess protein or you'll start storing fat.

Before you do anything, do a calorie count and figure out how many calories you're consuming and how much protein you're taking in. Start working from there.

The other thing that you want to kind of make a mental adjustment on is setting reasonable goals and expectations. I mentioned this to another member but genetics plays a big part in all of this. There are some guys who can eat crappy meals and still look great (at least when they're young- it catches up with them after 30). But guys like you who are thin will have to work harder and will make slower progress but a pound of muscle on you is going to look 3-4 times bigger than it would on a normal sized guy.

Thanks, you're right, I certainly do need to keep things in perspective. That reminds me when my father had me on a huge protein diet, and it gave me gas for weeks :eek: Didn't take him long before he cut down my intake ;) I'm going to start writing down my calorie intake tomorrow, get a good idea of what I eat. Thanks for your advice guys.
 
Thanks Code :-) I've already decided to start slow - last time I started too fast I hurt myself.

I still thinking about the gallon of milk a day. Sounds like a good idea, anyone else have experience with this?

:eek:... Whoa Jase! You'll be peeing white and the other end will either be clogged up or like a fire hose! Extremes of anything mate dont really work hey...:-)

You have to break this down into 2 basic areas... food and exercise. Ignore one and you screw up the other.

Food - its simple. Jump on line, find a calorie counter, enter your height and weight etc and it will give you a basic figure for what you need to live and breathe. Then add approx 10, maybe 15% at the very very most if you plan to hit the weights on a regular basis.

Thats your target - and work on a weekly figure so you can average out good and bad days - people get too hung up and fixated on exacts... it will drive you nuts. If you have a high intake one day cut it back the next few - dont panic or be too extremest in either direction.

As to where to get the calories... buy your self a protein powder that contains various whey proteins (some absorbed better than others) that also has a carb content. Some dont, but you will need the carbs for energy and fuel. Then (heres the milk part ..|) chug one mid morning, before you workout and after (assuming arvo workouts - or swap if not). Its that simple.

Exercise - well its a good move to cut back your running. Dont stop just cut it back for a while, other wise its 2 steps forward one back.

  • Only work out 3 - 4 times a week max.
  • You need to lift slowly, with good form.
  • Start lightish but get to a point where about 8 reps is the max you can do per set.
  • 3 sets is way more than enough.
  • Alternate body parts so you never hit the same part 2 sessions in a row.
  • Do compund exercises that use multiple muscle groups - bench press, pull ups, squats, deadlifts as the core of your work outs.
  • Only do 3 exercises per body part in a session - compounds first before you tire, then specifics like flyes or dumbell curls etc.
  • Most importantly - REST. We skinny guys over do it. Your body rebuilds and gains size in the days where you dont work out. So on those days take it easy, get your protien still (its the most important day the day after you workout) - and REST.

Hope that doesnt sound too hard, you've already got the dedication to run, you've just got to refocus a little. And remember, its not going to happen over night. Quality gains take months.

But when they do they are worth it. Codeerrors thread rolls over 18 months but the changes are balanced, proportional and safe. Hes a great example of consistent, real life effort.

The same will happen for you mate... you've just got to stick at it.
 
Thanks Tallguy, I've printed out your advice. Very beneficial information. Think I've found a good calorie calculator. It appears I've eaten about 2500 calories today.
 
Simple: get a hypertrophy workout program-- the ones mentioned above are excellent--I'd recommend the hypertrophy program in "New Rules of Lifting" (the book is available at most bookstores and online) and most importantly eat big! Eat about 300-500 calories above your maintenance level--5 to 6 meals a day with lots of protein, whole grains, and vegetables. Make sure you consume 1-1.5g of protein per 1lb of bodyweight. As for supplements, you only need a post-workout shake consisting of 1 scoop of whey protein and mixed with 3 scoops of powdered gatorade/powerade. This makes the ideal protein to carb ratio as 1:2. And yes, cut down on cardio. In fact, when I am bulking, I don't do any cardio at all--just a five minute warm-up (jogging, jumprope, elliptical). If you do this right, you'll have nice gains--actually, newbies always see dramatic changes. By the way, be realistic with your goal. The average rate at which a person builds muscle (safely) is about 1-2lbs a week, and it's not entirely pure muscle. You are going to gain some fat, so be prepared.
Good luck!
 
That's a lot of milk. The trick with protein intake is that you have to do it in smaller amounts throughout the day. If you consume large quantities of protein in a single sitting or you exceed what your body can process in a day- you're either going to just pee or crap off the excess protein or you'll start storing fat.

Or in my case, protein farts! When I first started to bulk, my body wasn't used to consuming that much protein, which lead to some of the most awful farts my body has ever produced, lol.
 
you pretty much have to eat like crazy and lift regularly
 
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