Queen Elizabeth II and the Commonwealth

[M4P]

Canada has a queen, and their politics are a mess.

The U.S. has no queen, and their politics are a mess.


Having a queen doesn't seem to help.

Please educate yourself before making such sweeping generalizations. Our politics are not a mess - it's just that some people are not in favour of the party in control. The Canadian economy is sound, our unemployment rate is low compared to the rest of the G8 and our quality of life is high

The Queen, however, cannot take credit for any of this

 

[pat grimshaw]

…RB will bitch non stop about his wonderful dear leaders but if an outsider does so then it is heresay. That principle doesnt stop him from passing judgement on all the rest of the plebians at his feet...…

Mr Hawk, you took the words out of my mouth!
I always visualise Cardinal Rareboy pontificating to us servants 'Do as I say, not as I do'.

 

[rareboy]

And of course leave it to Grimshaw to make it a personal thing instead of a discussion about the actual point of the thread.

As usual, the same scintillating contribution to a discussion.

And remember Palbert, Jayhawk and Kuli. While 99% of Americans may know about 1% of what happens in Canada, most Canadians not only read at least one newspaper every day, but we follow the current events and politics of counties around the globe.

Kuli has indicated that the only thing he really knows about Canuckistan has been picked up from this thread and the other two of you haven't apparently any real experience of the country at all?????????

But back to topic instead of using this thread as some kind of personal insult fest.

 

[JayHawk]

It isnt like that RB. My point is I could give two flying fucks what is going on in your country. Whereas it appears you are infatuated with your bigger brother to the south. If it matters not because your politic is so perfect then why bother to care about the guys to the south?

That is truly what I don't get. Everyone has an opinion about america but don't seem to get that not only does America not particularly care about your politics we also have the same feelings about your opinions regarding our own.

Why the infatuation?

 

[unclaimedblessing]

True, I'm a Yank and not up to date on either Canadian or British politics or culture.
To me, the Queen is a unifying tradition of the Commonwealth.
My only British friend was not a Royalist. He said their taxes were high enough without supporting a wealthy royal family.
He also was surprised that the death of Lady Diana was mourned so personally and broadly here in the US and said many in Britain thought her death though tragic wasn't as significant because her reputation in the UK was so sullied.
I personally believe the Monarchy was inspirational and a unifying force for the Commonwealth forces that gave so much during the two World Wars.

 

[M4P]

My point is I could give two flying fucks what is going on in your country.

You should know something about other countries which would give you a better understanding of the world

People like you are the reason so many Americans sew Canadian flags on their backpacks when they travel abroad

Get you head out of your ass

 

[rareboy]

It isnt like that RB. My point is I could give two flying fucks what is going on in your country. Whereas it appears you are infatuated with your bigger brother to the south. If it matters not because your politic is so perfect then why bother to care about the guys to the south?

That is truly what I don't get. Everyone has an opinion about america but don't seem to get that not only does America not particularly care about your politics we also have the same feelings about your opinions regarding our own.

Why the infatuation?

Hardly infatuation. Just practical interest.

As I've noted for another Jubber here on a few occasions, why is it that Americans think that our experience and interests stop at the border.

Some of us actually have business (peaceful) and family and other interests that span more than one country.

We get it. You don't give a fuck about anything happening in any other country unless it directly relates to US military interests. Fine.

Now maybe simmer down and get civil again, please.

 

[JayHawk]

You should know something about other countries which would give you a better understanding of the world

People like you are the reason so many Americans sew Canadian flags on their backpacks when they travel abroad

Get you head out of your ass

I would say i study every country I ever have been in and very indepth but I could still give two shits as to whether they elect a conservative or what goes on in your cities unless it affects me. That is truly your business. Please feel free to mind it. Vote as you like. Elect who you like and you wont hear me bitch. Not caring enough to offer my opinion is different than not knowing. And Americans sew Canadian flags on backpacks because Canada fails to stand for anything so she has no enemies.

Hardly infatuation. Just practical interest.

As I've noted for another Jubber here on a few occasions, why is it that Americans think that our experience and interests stop at the border.

Some of us actually have business (peaceful) and family and other interests that span more than one country.

We get it. You don't give a fuck about anything happening in any other country unless it directly relates to US military interests. Fine.

Now maybe simmer down and get civil again, please.

No not quite but I dont see fit to demand my interest be seen to in those other countries. Whereas you feel your rights are abrogated by our laws. You should get a grip.

Oh and I am being quite civil.

Leave ol' Blighty alone. She is fine just as she is.

Hey, any country that produces Marmite can't be all bad! (see my signature)

I have never understood the fascination but I don't really understand the psycho soccer fans either...

 

[M4P]

Canada fails to stand for anything so she has no enemies.

And this proves how little you know, JayHawk

Canadians were fighting in the trenches in Afghanistan - and many lives were lost. Our forces also took a commanding role in Libya

I wouldn't call that standing for nothing

 

[JayHawk]

Oh i didn't say you haven't been side by side in many instance. You are a wonderful ally but ask your average person in the rest of the world what Canada stands for and what do you suppose will be the response?

You may do but you are not vocal and are perceived as doing.

I don't hate Canada or any other such thing. I have quite a fondness for many parts of Canada. But I don't see how your laws affect me and so don't give two shits about your conversations pertaining to Canada. Yet the opposite is not true.

You mistake my lack of desire to intervene in your internal discussions as not caring or embracing the things Canada does... that is not the case. You also perceive it to be a lack of interest in the country. That is likewise not true.

 

[M4P]

I believe most would say we stand for peace and look out for our friends and allies

 

[JayHawk]

Well OK that is fairly broad. You are not the focal point of terrorist generally although that is not always true. Hence the sewing of flags. And you know what we could be the most open armed and are the most generous people as a country on planet earth but because of success we will always be a target. Such is life.

I sew nothing on my back pack and do very well slipping into and out of various areas despite my fair skin and blonde locks. Being unseen is a attitude more than a sewn on flag.

 

[palbert]

I am asking the Mods to close this thread. The thread has taken on a vitriolic and negative tone; so much so that I fail to see how anything positive can come of it. The thread has become infused with name-calling and lacks a constructive outlook.

 

[rareboy]

^ Yup. Nicely done there all. I guess since the thread started out with a rather negative intent it could hardly crawl uphill from there eh?

And as a parting word Jayhawk, Canadians were fighting and dying in WWII for about 3 years before the Americans decided to finally get into the game so don't ever, ever tell us that we don't stand for anything.

That is just ignorant.

 

[M4P]

I am asking the Mods to close this thread. The thread has taken on a vitriolic and negative tone; so much so that I fail to see how anything positive can come of it. The thread has become infused with name-calling and lacks a constructive outlook.

Oh leave it alone. It's a good discussion. I used to be a Mod and believe me this is nothing

I don't really support wearing another country's flag while traveling. If you're not proud to wear your own flag (or defend it) I'd say it's time to find another or just stay home

 

[palbert]

I will quite proudly war my country's flag thank you.

I practiced law for 25 years and used and expected civil and constructive speech. I feel completely blindsided by some of the discussion that took place above and cannot countenance lt.

 

[JayHawk]

Ignorant or not RB the perception is clear worldwide. And RB you were involved because the vast kingdon of which you are subservient to required your assistance. We helped of our own free will. : P

Robert Stetham proudly wore his countries flag as well and was beaten to death for it. Not a fate I hope to inspire.

 

[M4P]

Perception is not reality or necessarily fact

I could take this further but I have no intention of throwing in my $0.02 about other countries. That would be so not Canadian

Canada and Canadians will always be there when there is a need - and it won't be because we have an interest

 

[JayHawk]

Perception is not reality or necessarily fact

I could take this further but I have no intention of throwing in my $0.02 about other countries. That would be so not Canadian

Canada and Canadians will always be there when there is a need - and it won't be because we have an interest

Yeah Americans only act when there is an interest. Apparently that is the new haters anthem. Meh.


World Giving Index: US Ranked Most Charitable Country On Earth (SLIDESHOW)

As you can see if you review the study the US is not tops in all categories BUT we do outperform Canada. But all our giving is for a self interest....

 

[M4P]

Yeah Americans only act when there is an interest. Apparently that is the new haters anthem. Meh.


World Giving Index: US Ranked Most Charitable Country On Earth (SLIDESHOW)

As you can see if you review the study the US is not tops in all categories BUT we do outperform Canada. But all our giving is for a self interest....

I had no idea who gives more. Considering the United States is 9 times larger than Canada in population this is understandable

Now stop crying and be proud