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Queen Latifah [merged]

She used to frighten me. That's how I knew.
 
A surprising number of snippy comments, given that in a 10-day period, a WHITE male football player comes out and people are all "Wow, good for him." "Great!" "Yay."

Then, a well-known (and previously Oscar-nominated) Black female entertainer comes out and people diss her.

Coming out is coming out, whether you're the pizza delivery boy, a 70- year old man, George Takei, Zachary Quinto, Lil Nas X or the woman next door who was married, but realizes she's gay. The "fame" aspect is secondary to the acceptance of oneself. And probably harder when you're a public figure that the whole world came either graciously accept - or snidely throw shade at.

Snippy comments reflect who you are inside - and have likely been for a long time. Keep that in mind. If that's what you don't mind being seen as, knock yourself out. It's your right. But the pick-and-choose bias is clearly on display here. I hope you're bringing this up with your therapist.

As for my take on this? This takes guts. The Black community is not the most pro-gay community around, and she has to know she's going to get pushback from them. But she decided to declare herself. Kudos.
 
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mcbrion said:
A surprising number of snippy comments, given that in a 10-day period, a WHITE male football player comes out and people are all "Wow, good for him." "Great!" "Yay."

Then, a well-known (and previously Oscar-nominated) Black female entertainer comes out and people diss her.

Coming out is coming out, whether you're the pizza delivery boy, a 70- year old man, George Takei, Zachary Quinto, Lil Nas X or the woman next door who was married, but realizes she's gay. The "fame" aspect is secondary to the acceptance of oneself. And probably harder when you're a public figure that the whole world came either graciously accept - or snidely throw shade at.

Snippy comments reflect who you are inside - and have likely been for a long time. Keep that in mind. If that's what you don't mind being seen as, knock yourself out. It's your right. But the pick-and-choose bias is clearly on display here. I hope you're bringing this up with your therapist.

As for my take on this? This takes guts. The Black community is not the most pro-gay community around, and she has to know she's going to get pushback from them. But she decided to declare herself. Kudos.
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True. Although I suspect many here were easier on Carl Nassib because as men, we relate to him more easily and on a sexual level, which, like the subliminal racism most Americans experience, tends to ooze out subconsciously. When I first read about Nassib, one of my first thoughts was about what he might look like on his back. Queen Latifah not so much.

Also I have a chilly place in my heart for celebrities who are obviously gay but remain in the closet (at least publicly) for years. When they finally come out, it diminishes the courage of ordinary LGBT people who come out without the benefit of a money-woven safety net.
 
Peloso said:
True. Although I suspect many here were easier on Carl Nassib because as men, we relate to him more easily and on a sexual level, which, like the subliminal racism most Americans experience, tends to ooze out subconsciously. When I first read about Nassib, one of my first thoughts was about what he might look like on his back. Queen Latifah not so much.

Also I have a chilly place in my heart for celebrities who are obviously gay but remain in the closet (at least publicly) for years. When they finally come out, it diminishes the courage of ordinary LGBT people who come out without the benefit of a money-woven safety net.
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As was the case with David Archulleta a week ago. He wasn’t treated any better in the thread about him.
 
We have a coming out section of the board that needs to be a designated "no flame zone", that should tell you enough about this board the fact that even needs to exist in the first place. I would never suggest this board to anyone as a good space for Queer people.
 
mcbrion said:
A surprising number of snippy comments, given that in a 10-day period, a WHITE male football player comes out and people are all "Wow, good for him." "Great!" "Yay."

Then, a well-known (and previously Oscar-nominated) Black female entertainer comes out and people diss her.

Coming out is coming out, whether you're the pizza delivery boy, a 70- year old man, George Takei, Zachary Quinto, Lil Nas X or the woman next door who was married, but realizes she's gay. The "fame" aspect is secondary to the acceptance of oneself. And probably harder when you're a public figure that the whole world came either graciously accept - or snidely throw shade at.

Snippy comments reflect who you are inside - and have likely been for a long time. Keep that in mind. If that's what you don't mind being seen as, knock yourself out. It's your right. But the pick-and-choose bias is clearly on display here. I hope you're bringing this up with your therapist.

As for my take on this? This takes guts. The Black community is not the most pro-gay community around, and she has to know she's going to get pushback from them. But she decided to declare herself. Kudos.
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It's just light hearted banter, and dicks on the internet, roll with the punches.
 
^^^^ That's the equivalent of people saying to each other - after a cutting comment - "It's just a joke. Don't be so sensitive." One wonders how much of it is a "joke" or "light-hearted banter" when directed against a gender AND an ethnicity who is frequently marginalized. The comment "roll with the punches" rarely seems to come up when it's a baker who won't bake a cake for two gay (WHITE) guys, which causes an uproar that leads to the Supreme Court. Why do you suppose that is? Hmmmm....interesting perspective, and I won't say you're wrong, but mainstream population seems, as Cornel West impugned about Harvard, are in a state of "spiritual rot." And that applies to the "little things" which really aren't "little things" at all. It's just that they're decided as "little things" by those unaffected.

The "sling and arrows of outrageous fortune,'' as it were. I'm simply pointing out a consistently recognizable type of statement that appears on this board, and has been for decades. Make of it what you will. It is certainly not hurting me personally, but I feel compelled to point out subtle racism (it's not all that subtle), which is going directly over your head, also, not a surprise. As I said in another post, the same poster posted equally cutting comments about Lil Nas X. You clearly don't see the pattern. I do. Hint: a number of his posts are dismissive of Blacks. Do you get it now, Grasshopper?
 
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Until she actually says "I'm a lesbian," she's not out. Saying "hi" to a friend is not coming out. That's literally staying in the closet. She's still a coward.
 
mcbrion said:
A surprising number of snippy comments, given that in a 10-day period, a WHITE male football player comes out and people are all "Wow, good for him." "Great!" "Yay."

Then, a well-known (and previously Oscar-nominated) Black female entertainer comes out and people diss her.
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That's because he said "I'm gay and I'm giving money to a charity meant to stop suicide with gay youth" and she said a few names that nobody knows, went on about how everyone loves her and then waved and walked away with a lifetime "achievement" award when her big achievement is staying in the closet this long. fuck her.
 
The way I look at it, a win is a win. Admittedly, it would have been nice if Queen Latifah came out in a detailed two minute speech or a separate press release, but she acknowledged her spouse and kid, and said "Happy Pride," and that's at least something. She didn't have to say anything, and I suspect she might be coming out in small ways, after having a career in which she never talked about her sexuality. People forget that many stars never came out until their careers were firmly established. Look at Elton John. He didn't acknowledge he was gay publicly until most of his string of hits was behind him.
 
mcbrion said:
^^^^ That's the equivalent of people saying to each other - after a cutting comment - "It's just a joke. Don't be so sensitive." One wonders how much of it is a "joke" or "light-hearted banter" when directed against a gender AND an ethnicity who is frequently marginalized. The comment "roll with the punches" rarely seems to come up when it's a baker who won't bake a cake for two gay (WHITE) guys, which causes an uproar that leads to the Supreme Court. Why do you suppose that is? Hmmmm....interesting perspective, and I won't say you're wrong, but mainstream population seems, as Cornel West impugned about Harvard, are in a state of "spiritual rot." And that applies to the "little things" which really aren't "little things" at all. It's just that they're decided as "little things" by those unaffected.

The "sling and arrows of outrageous fortune,'' as it were. I'm simply pointing out a consistently recognizable type of statement that appears on this board, and has been for decades. Make of it what you will. It is certainly not hurting me personally, but I feel compelled to point out subtle racism (it's not all that subtle), which is going directly over your head, also, not a surprise. As I said in another post, the same poster posted equally cutting comments about Lil Nas X. You clearly don't see the pattern. I do. Hint: a number of his posts are dismissive of Blacks. Do you get it now, Grasshopper?
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Sorry for the long delay in replying, i'd forgotten all about this thread, I'm sorry to hear you suspect the OP of being a racist. metta has just returned to
the board after being absent for a few years, i only remember him from his last visit here for the number of threads he threw out every night, most taken from whatever gay publication he'd stumbled across that day, i can't ever remember him posting anything racist or derogatory about gay people, if anything i almost took his threads as something a MOD/Admin would spew out to test a site was still working after an upgrade.

I'll be sure to keep a closer eye on his output, once again thanks for the heads up Sensei.
 
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