Race Relations, Fox and Negrophobia

[BostonPirate]

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this is a problem that has been brewing in america now for two years and it is getting worse not better.

Ms Maddow as usual, uses facts to back up sound theories on why race relations have decayed right now and what political gain the people who are doing it have sought in the past and are seeking now in this current election.

so what will you do?

will you let people appeal to your lesser instincts so that they can stay in power or will you stop and think?

More importantly, how can we as individuals work to get our nation past this kind of politics that the republicans and Fox are engaging in?

 

[Orlandude]

About the only thing you can do is keep yourself well-informed on ALL sides of any issue. That way, when the propaganda starts flying, you can more easily weed out the fact from the fiction. What we are seeing over the past few years is a rise is propaganda. That's not a good trend so it's even more important than ever to get and stay educated on any major issues. The news networks, as a group, are generally shaping their reporting and opinions to the group they serve. Everyone is framing. Each do not want to hear ALL the facts. They just want to frame the facts to suit their own agendas. It's almost like reading a book like the Bible. If 5 different people read a couple pages, each will have their own interpretation of what they just read. Politics is the same way.

 

[BostonPirate]

thanks for the response Orlando!

I think this is really important to discuss, but I understand that people are reticent to talk about it because it is just an uncomfortable topic.

we wont really get past this issue if we don't address it, though.

 

[MercuryJones]

And here's some of Pat Buchanan's most recent take at http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2010/07/23/losing_white_america/page/full -- emphasis added -

Now, whatever one's views on each of these episodes in which race played a role, white Americans are being forced to address them. And, surely, the White House understands this is bad news for Obama and the Democratic Party.

For though the black community remains solidly behind Obama and the white majority is shrinking toward minority status by 2042 or 2050, depending on which Census survey one uses, whites in America still outnumber blacks five to one. And if forced constantly to come down on one side or the other of a racial divide, most folks will wind up with their own.

One understand the bitterness of tea party folks who carry signs that read: "What difference does it make what this placard says. You'll call it racist anyway."

As the National Journal's Ron Brownstein has been reporting, white America is increasingly alienated and distrustful of all our major economic and political power centers -- the banks, big corporations, the government.

And, for the first time in our lifetimes, outside the South, white racial consciousness has visibly begun to rise.

I hate to consider what his idea of "white racial consciousness" is.

 

[bike10]

Enjoyed the way Rachel Maddow took on Bill and Fox News.

 

[BostonPirate]

Buchanan is scary, yet Madddow considers Buchannan a personal friend. I think she refers to him as her uncle.

I guess she is capable of talking to people she doesn't agree with, and even like them.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't always like Rachel. But she's much easier to listen to than Rush, who's gotten more and more strident over the years (to put it politely). His "science" views went off the deep end into an oceanic trench over a decade ago; maybe there's some sort of balance in play, that as his science sank, his racism rose.

There's one beneficial side effect, though, and I have to thank him for it: nearly a dozen formerly conservative Republicans I know have gone Libertarian over the last several years, because they can no longer stand Rush and all those who repeat after him. In fact an evangelical pastor one of my friends goes to preached against Rush recently, not by name, but by the time he was good and warmed up there was no doubt who he was calling to task as a "proclaimer of unrighteousness" for declaring that some of those for whom Christ died were of less value than others and deserving of less respect, and a "liar and deceiver, setting the ideas of men above God's command to seek truth".

I don't expect that to spread, but dang, wouldn't it be great if it did?

 

[jackoroe]

Rachel made half the case. The important point is that fear motivates voters. A couple of years back, the democrats were saying that more black churches would burn if republicans were elected to office. The democrats also scared old people telling them that Reagan was going to take their social security in the 1982 elections. They all use fear as a tool to get elected. It's not exclusive to either party.

I do have to disagree with the OP's premise that we're seeing more problems in terms of race. While there will always be haters both black and white, they are far outnumbered by those of us who simply don't see color anymore. And that's as it should be.

 

[BostonPirate]

Rachel made half the case. The important point is that fear motivates voters. A couple of years back, the democrats were saying that more black churches would burn if republicans were elected to office. The democrats also scared old people telling them that Reagan was going to take their social security in the 1982 elections. They all use fear as a tool to get elected. It's not exclusive to either party.

I do have to disagree with the OP's premise that we're seeing more problems in terms of race. While there will always be haters both black and white, they are far outnumbered by those of us who simply don't see color anymore. And that's as it should be.

I'm looking around on the google machine...lol

trying to find the social security reference or articles on democrats scaring whites with fear of black people... not giving up, but it's consuming a bit of time as I can't find it.

 

[Spiff]

I love Rachel. And this is an important topic. And it is good that she calls out Fox's stinking shit. But I must say I am overdosed on all cable news' infatuation with this Shirley Sherrod controversy. It's become so bad that in a way I am hoping for more bad news with the gulf oil spill crisis just to divert the media's attention away from this thing for at least one day. Or even for just 10 minutes.

 

[MercuryJones]

But I must say I am overdosed on all cable news' infatuation with this Shirley Sherrod controversy.

That's too bad - looking at the failure of the news and the administration is a more newsworthy story than we usually get.

But with any luck they'll go back to examining how the black AG is letting Black Panthers off (even though it was Bush's administration that did it), or Muslims building mosques in NYC (as is their Constitutional right), or maybe something about how a secret Kenyan Muslim has infiltrated the Presidency.

 

[BostonPirate]

I love Rachel. And this is an important topic. And it is good that she calls out Fox's stinking shit. But I must say I am overdosed on all cable news' infatuation with this Shirley Sherrod controversy. It's become so bad that in a way I am hoping for more bad news with the gulf oil spill crisis just to divert the media's attention away from this thing for at least one day. Or even for just 10 minutes.

you need to be so sick of it that you do something about it

have you done anything yet to make sure that people wont repeat it? call fox and tell them to get with it? call your congressman? send an email to the white house telling them you expect them to get it right?

or are you just tired from sitting on the sideline waiting for something better to pass in front of your face as you munch chips on the couch staring at the screen?

Jeebus... if you're sick of it then do something to make it different

 

[Spiff]

That's too bad - looking at the failure of the news and the administration is a more newsworthy story than we usually get.

I never said it wasn't newsworthy. I just basically said it wasn't worthy enough to ignore all the other newsworthy issues that are happening around the world.

 

[BostonPirate]

I never said it wasn't newsworthy. I just basically said it wasn't worthy enough to ignore all the other newsworthy issues that are happening around the world.

unfortunately that is the topic of this thread

feel free to post in another one and forget that this one didn't exist. But being tired of it isn't going to make it go away.

this is the problem right now

in 24 hours a woman's life was ruined because no one wanted to take the time to check for the facts

now its 24 hours after the truth has been told and we are bored and ready to move on, never trying to learn from it or repeat it or even understand why and how it happened.

its just boring to think about. Of course if we were talking about harry potters cock, then there would be a stampede that would last for a month.

 

[Spiff]

feel free to post in another one and forget that this one didn't exist..

Feel free to put me on your ignore list. I'm obvious the type of person that will always upset you no matter what I post.

 

[BostonPirate]

Feel free to put me on your ignore list. I'm obvious the type of person that will always upset you no matter what I post.

nope... I really just want you to think about shit that matters. If I can get your attention, then its a good day.

You know... what if you had been the one that this had been done to... I guess I just want people to think about bigger things than fear and whats on television. You seem like a sharp guy. so why not be engaged in the world?

 

[Kulindahr]

Rachel made half the case. The important point is that fear motivates voters. A couple of years back, the democrats were saying that more black churches would burn if republicans were elected to office. The democrats also scared old people telling them that Reagan was going to take their social security in the 1982 elections. They all use fear as a tool to get elected. It's not exclusive to either party.

I do have to disagree with the OP's premise that we're seeing more problems in terms of race. While there will always be haters both black and white, they are far outnumbered by those of us who simply don't see color anymore. And that's as it should be.

Or as I discovered about myself recently, I just don't feel comfortable in places where everyone is white. I've been coming off and on to a town where there's a fair portion of blacks, quite a few Chinese, some Indians (subcontinent variety), Koreans and Vietnamese, and a growing number of Mexicans -- and I noticed one day how much more relaxed I feel with the variety around me.