Rachel Maddow spouts anti-gun nonsense

[laikaNYC]

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MSDNC's Rachel Maddow was hanging out recently with Meghan McCain at the NRA convention in Pittsburgh. NRA member McCain said that as a young woman and daughter of a prominent politician, she owns a gun to protect herself from those seeking harm. Perfectly reasonable, right? Not for Maddow.

MCCAIN: I like the idea that a gun equalizes things for women if I'm attacked. You know, my father's a well-known politician, it makes me feel safer. So ...

MADDOW: Do you think there's a risk to having a gun in your home though?

MCCAIN: Not if you take courses and you educate yourself and you train yourself. I'm a complete proponent for taking the right safety course as well.

MADDOW: Just introducing a gun into a dangerous situation doesn't guarantee it's going to be pointed at the right person.

Right.... just ask bin Laden.

In other words, guns are useless when it comes to protecting yourself, so why should anybody have one? Why arm police for that matter? That's what's actually being said here by Maddow, but typical of liberals, she eschews straightforward language in favor of embroidery.

 

[anchihiro]

Oh Laika it feels you've been away for awhile.


What's wrong with not liking guns??

Besides there are alternatives, pepper spray for example, tasers too. Home security doesnt begin and end with firearms either. And by the way, children have found the dads gun hidden away before and decided to take it to school to serve justice to that other kid who scored a goal against them in P.E. last thursday.

 

[anchihiro]

Well congrats on the 2,000th post.

But why are you particularly so pro-guns?

Obviously they have there uses but you should admit considering how easy it is to obtain a gun in the USA that too many times has this weapon been misused by people who frankly shouldn't be carrying one in the first place.

 

[BostonPirate]

Only Laika could turn two women from different parties at the NRA gun rally exchanging ideas into a partisan hack piece on rachel maddow.

wow.

just wow.

for anyone that is interested here is the entire clip, and you can see how selective GOP editing and twisted logic can turn something into what its NOT.

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Rachel is clearly interested in understanding McCains position, and discusses liking guns for sport. I think they even mention going to the shooting range together. Maddow brags about shooting a tank gun once.

 

[BostonPirate]

we have alot of 2nd amendment supporters here from all political walks of life.

 

[Queerwitch]

I totally support the 2nd Amendment. I just don't understand why those of certain political persuasions make such a big deal of their love for guns. Although there is the phallic symbolism: long, hard, and they shoot. Yes, I can totally see why gays would like them.

The problem is, guns all too often fall into the hands of lunatics whose state of mind is more unstable than that of Charles Manson and Shirley Phelps-Roper's love child on crack. And then people get hurt.

 

[rareboy]

Well then On-Topic.

The OP posted another misleading and absurdist right wing partisan hack job on Maddow.

What a mess.

 

[jackoroe]

Folks, this is an on topic thread, like it or not. So please address the topic at hand. Thusly.

While I take issue with some of Maddow's premises, I think she makes the left's argument in at least a respectful tone. Guns are nothing more than a tool, which are better to have and not need, than need and not have. I've never shot anybody, but I was glad to have the option on more than one occasion.

In short, I don't fear the discussion, because I can aptly make my case.

 

[chrisrobin]

Every time I hear/read about a child/children that are accidentally killed by guns, it makes me very sad. There have been literally thousands of young gunshot victims that have died needlessly every year. This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

Some may believe that Rachel may be "spouting anti-gun nonsense", but not for the surviving parents/relatives of the dead children!

 

[rareboy]

Maddow did not spout anti-gun nonsense.

 

[chrisrobin]

Maddow did not spout anti-gun nonsense.

I know. I was merely referring to the title of this thread.

 

[BostonPirate]

this is the point of Maddows report... that there is an absolutism that needs to be addressed.

She thinks, for example, that you can support the right to bear arms and then regulate ammunition as a means of violence control.

it is what it is, its just not what the OP billed it as.

Its an interesting interview more than anything, because the McCain/Maddow friendship has made the extremists of both parties Bug eyed for a while now. And you have to remember... Both McCain and Maddow tend to be hated by the radical wing of both parties and each represent a newer vision of where they think their parties need to be.

They believe that not talking and not listening are the problem. They both are known for their politeness to their adversaries in debate and interviews.

Very interesting for so many reasons beyond the topic of discussion. Its interesting because we are seeing the younger activists behave in a different way than their establishment predecessors had.

 

[CowboyBob]

Maddow did not spout anti-gun nonsense.

Correct. It's gun common sense.

It's these right wing Republicans that are against any and all safety regulations or controls regarding guns.

 

[jackoroe]

They believe that not talking and not listening are the problem. They both are known for their politeness to their adversaries in debate and interviews.

Very interesting for so many reasons beyond the topic of discussion. Its interesting because we are seeing the younger activists behave in a different way than their establishment predecessors had.

I agree, that we talk at each other far too much and not to each other enough. I do like Maddow for that approach. It's the strength of your argument that should win the day, not the decibel level you can achieve in doing so.

 

[construct]

If Rachel Maddow was spouting anti-gun nonsense, then so was Meghan McCain. They arrived at the same conclusion from different starting points. McCain said that she disagreed with the NRA about the gun show loophole and about the number of rounds that should be allowed in a clip. Was she spouting anti-gun nonsense? No. Neither of them were.

Both were criticising existing gun laws as being too lenient and the NRA's support for those laws.

Now at the risk of going off-topic, what should that lead us to believe about the thread title, the original post, and the user who posted it? I guess the answer to that question is off-topic, so I'm just going to end this post.

 

[TickTockMan]

Maddow did not spout anti-gun nonsense.

Why would she? On her show she has said she owns guns.

 

[TickTockMan]

I looked for this to be verified (curious what she actually owns) BUT all I get are hits about the Republicans lying, like what is found in the OP.

Both times I remember her saying she owns guns it was just an aside. Like how she mentions her girlfriend. I doubt she has ever said (publicly) what she actually owns. She comes off as a private person for the most part.

 

[Kulindahr]

Thanks to BP for posting the full thing.

Laika, you really ought to do your homework before posting -- none of the McCains really get the Second Amendment, because they're willing to chip away at it until it's a mere caricature.

There's no "gun show loophole". What people using that term are after is to have a different set of laws for gun shows than for regular life. And in fact the NRA pushed a change that would take care of the only issue, to allow ordinary citizens who want to sell a firearm to use the NICS - but it was blocked by supposed "common sense gun law" parties.

As for the terrorist watch list, the NRA is not against having actual terrorist suspects listed along with violent felons as people who can't buy firearms -- they're against having the incredibly sloppy watch list used for that. The watch list has gotten two people I know, my older brother and a cousin, stopped from boarding a plane, one because the list didn't specify which person of a certain name, and the other because of a misspelled name. It's a joke thrown together by people more interested in the appearance of doing something than actually being effective, and people so "pro law enforcement" they don't care if innocent people get hurt so long as the net is cast wide enough to catch the guilty -- both of which groups need an education in liberty and human rights. If the list became something rigorously vetted, so we stop getting twelve-year-olds detained when the guy they're after is thirty years older, NRA members would overwhelmingly support it.

Yes, there are gun manufacturers on the NRA board. We elect them because they already have an interest in pursuing the strong policy positions, so they may as well do double duty. The NRA isn't working to pursue their interests; they're working to pursue common-sense gun rules for the American people.


BTW, "assault rifle" is a deceptive term; it means "any gun I don't like the looks of". Anyone using it is either intending to mislead or isn't educated enough to even be talking about the matter.


Also BTW, both McCain and Maddow are to the left of Democrats a quarter century ago on this subject.

 

[Just_Believe18]

"Typical of liberals?" Laika is being ridiculous as always. If there's one thing that brings both liberals and conservatives together in this forum, it's their love of guns. Seriously. You should go back and see the thread on it.

As for Maddow, this 30-second clip had two lines from her that did not represent any anti-gun positions. Talk about nit-picking clips for hyperbolic interpretations.

 

[Kulindahr]

"Typical of liberals?" Laika is being ridiculous as always. If there's one thing that brings both liberals and conservatives together in this forum, it's their love of guns. Seriously. You should go back and see the thread on it.

As for Maddow, this 30-second clip had two lines from her that did not represent any anti-gun positions. Talk about nit-picking clips for hyperbolic interpretations.

He doesn't like Maddow. He strikes me as a flipped version of some of the feminists I knew at OSU -- who wished all males would either cease to exist or become female.

Or maybe subconsciously he finds her hot and hates her for not having a dick.