racist guys?

[youngnihilist]

Kyanimal - good point. Our nation is still quite racist but it's come an incredible way in the last 50 years. 50 years ago, any thought of interracial sex would result in criminal punishment or death . Barely 70 years ago, leading scientists from Ivy league universities (one reason why you can't trust scientists) were touting the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon and Nordic "races" and demeaning blacks, asians, and mediterraneans.

50 years and 80 years is the blink of an eye in history. We've come a long way and we're probably going to elect a black guy as president. So there is undoubtedly racism among gay dating, and I do call it racism, but it's getting better - and FAST.

 

[Kyanimal]

Kyanimal - good point. Our nation is still quite racist but it's come an incredible way in the last 50 years. 50 years ago, any thought of interracial sex would result in criminal punishment or death . Barely 70 years ago, leading scientists from Ivy league universities (one reason why you can't trust scientists) were touting the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon and Nordic "races" and demeaning blacks, asians, and mediterraneans.

50 years and 80 years is the blink of an eye in history. We've come a long way and we're probably going to elect a black guy as president. So there is undoubtedly racism among gay dating, and I do call it racism, but it's getting better - and FAST.

And, THAT, My Friend, is a "Good Thing"!!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[texan_slant]

The thing I don't understand about these so called "preferences" is that nobody has seen every person of a particular color so how can you say you are not attracted to anyone of that color? There are attractive and unattractive people of every single color and I don't understand how anyone can exclude people because of their skin color alone.

What about those who are biracial and hot?

It's not out of conscious/mal- intent though, nor is 'preference' based on finding certain peoples of color are unattractive. If I have a preference, it means that for whatever reason, there are qualities that I'm more attracted to than others; I can't explain it, nor do I question why - it's just "what is" - based on my intuition.

I totally understand having preferences because I am not attracted to overweight people but I just think it is really close-minded of people to exclude all the many beautiful people out there from your preferences.

The exact same argument that you made up above can also be applied to overweight people. I don't think that people of color, or even overweight people are necessarily unattractive - just like you say, they are all beautiful. It's just that there are qualities, that people prefer over others - the same example can be used in how you don't prefer overweight individuals.

I'm just saying if it's nice abs you like and nice smile, nice body, cute face, nice dick, a good personality etc, and someone outside your racial preferences has all those things why are they automatically excluded? If you can't answer that question then you should take a look at why you really have the preferences you have.

I never question why I have the preferences that I have because it seems kind of innate for me. Now, it'd definitely be racism if I was intentionally excluding "someone" from the exact *same opportunity* that I might have.

In using the example of placing a personals ad with saying what your preferences are, you're not necessarily depriving someone of a missed opportunity when in fact the ad isn't even necessarily maliciously targeting a specific indvidual in the first place? You're merely stating what you want.

For example, if you place an ad for hot Italian men, and if I'm a Chinese guy reading the ad, I would just look for an ad that asks for a Chinese guy - because there is another opportunity out there. Make sense???

On the other hand, we also live in an imperfect world with plenty of prejudices. Everyone is naturally so in really subtle ways. It's inhuman to think that we don't live/think that way. On a really personal level, I have a god to answer to. What it all comes down to is whether or not I respect other people, and I do.

 

[Blue_Eyed_Boi]

ok...you guys have officially brought this discussion down to the level of being retarded. it is not about race!!!!!

of course, if i didn't like a race because of social constructs i've been brought up with, i would probably not date them...that said, i would still very likely be attracted to them. i am attracted to people i dislike of many races every day.

there are white guys who are too dark, who don't turn me on. there are white guys who are too pail...(gingers?)...who definitely don't turn me on.

there are black guys who are real pale and they do turn my on. same with people of all other races.

why am i even arguing this?

look...i'm sorry, but nothing you can say will make me feel bad for not wanting to sleep with you.

Not about race? Riiight if you say so. I've read through the posts, and you claim to not like a certain race because they don't have this or that, but what about the ones that DO have those features you love so much?

That's what happens when you make generalizations about a particular race. You love tan/olive skin? Last time I checked, plenty of Blacks and Asians have that color too.

Instead of focusing on their race, why not pay attention to the features that do turn you on?

 

[Twistedup]

i do. and evidently that makes me a racist.

there is no winning heah/

 

[Caeth]

I'm responding to marley's post on page 2...haven't read the others yet.

You make a good point but you need separate the stereotypical conclusion from decisions about race...they don't always go hand in hand. In this situation, I say I'm not attracted to people with dark skin. That's it. There is no conclusion as in "I'm not attracted to black guys because they're going to steal my stuff". The thought stops at "I'm just not attracted to black guys."

Prejudice and discrimination are two different things. I agree that this is discrimination...but justified discrimination. Discrimination isn't always bad...only bad when coupled with prejudice. He's a simple analogy:

Discrimination: I've had peaches before. I hate the taste of peaches. Never want to eat peaches again. I am discriminating against eating peaches.

Prejudice: I heard that peaches don't taste good. I also heard they have a 10% chance to give you a disease. I will never eat peaches. I am discriminating and being prejudiced against peaches.

Prejudice= Pre-judging. In the specific case of racism, like you pointed out, it is attributing negative qualities to the person.

In the example of the woman being hired...there is a difference between not preferring to hire women because you're just more comfortable with them to not preferring to hire women because you think women are intellectually inferior to men. In the work place, just not having a preference is generally not possible- businesses try to maximize profit and talent.

So, I'm pointing out that attractiveness is extremely subjective and pretty much hard-wired. Therefore it's just a preference. In the dating world, its ALL about preference. This is different from the unjustified thinking an entire race of people is inferior in x, y , z way.

And before you make the argument, "well you're saying their looks are inferior!" Yes. You're right! That individual personally does thing darker skin is "inferior" looking. It's a different word...just semantics. That's justified though- to that person it's how he feels. Something like "all jews are cheap" is not a subjective feeling. Some other person might think that dark skin is sexier than everything else....all of a sudden white skin is "inferior".

Sorry this is so long....

If you're going to skip most of it just remember this:
There's a difference between racism, prejudice, and discrimination.

Discrimination isn't always bad.

 

[Sexylurv]

If that's racist, then you are practically saying asking for only men is sexist?

 

[Horschallen]

There is so much discussion on "racism," yet I do not see admission of "reverse racism" here. I detest both of them! The air reeks of hypocricy! It has to be a two way street to make harmony work between people who are different from one another, not one way. I have ZERO respect for people who are racists and those who deny practicing reverse racism, but do behave in such manners.

Why not try dating someone with a disability? Consider one of them for a vacant position at your place of work?

 

[Rick18]

That was a really good reply but i have to disagree with the "born this way" theory. I refuse to believe you're born to be physically attracted to certain races. How is that possible? Are you going to tell me its in your blood to not find blacks or native americans attractive? Are you going to tell me your brain formed a certain way in your mothers womb that made you not sexually attracted to asians?? I can't even begin to imagine that as true..seriously..like i said before..there has to be a reason. Whether you know what the reason is or if u dont know. There is a logical reason other than " i was born this way"

True, it may not be a "problem". Yeah you have the freedom to fuck whoever you want. You're not going to have a heart attack and die because you dont find native americans sexually attractive. Its just the question of Why?? Its not inherited..its taught. Whether intentional or not.

I don't know if this has been stated or not, but if you feel this way, I really hope you don't think you were born gay. Kinda hard to think it's possible to be born attracted to a certain sex, but not a certain race.

I'm not attracted to too many black guys, but some of the guys I've met have been drop dead gorgeous. On average, I just see more white guys that I find attractive. My first boyfriend was Honduran and sexy. I've met asians who I've found really hot, and others that I haven't. Same for white guys too. I'm just more inclined to date a white guy, probably because that's what is more readily available in my area. There's a bigger selection pool opposed to other races. I go down to the club and the majority of guys are white, if I'm not seeing guys that are other races, it's kinda hard to NOT have a preference.

 

[bayareayoungin]

I find it strange when guys on adam4adam state "NO BLACKS" on their profiles, yet still fill up my inbox with "wanna play?", "wanna fuck?". Like, hello...i'm clearly black by my pictures. That's my only comment. I have no energy to go any deeper into the race discussion right now.

 

[Rick18]

See that's the kinda thing you can't help, obviously it's hard to date other races if they're not available. I think the OP was talking about people who would never consider dating a certain race, doesn't even give them a chance. You sound like you'd be open to dating outside your race if the opportunity presented itself. Kudos.

I am, but I mean, I don't particularly care if other people don't feel the same way. I've actually met a few asians and black guys that won't date white guys. I just move on, it doesn't really bother me because I still have plenty of other people that find me attractive.

Now, if someone doesn't date a certain race because of racist preconceived notions, "All blacks steal," then I tend to avoid them like the plague. I've only met a handful of guys with that type of attitude though, but in the end, it's still their decision who they date, and even if that means they're wrong and racist, not much I can do about it besides not put myself in a setting with that person.

 

[Rick18]

I find it strange when guys on adam4adam state "NO BLACKS" on their profiles, yet still fill up my inbox with "wanna play?", "wanna fuck?". Like, hello...i'm clearly black by my pictures. That's my only comment. I have no energy to go any deeper into the race discussion right now.

If that's you in your avatar and profile pictures, I actually would not have guessed you're black. I hope I'm not starting another debate, that's not what I meant to do at all, but you have a very light skin tone. This is why I don't understand completely excluding a whole race. I have preferences just like everyone else, but I never completely exclude a whole race, they might not be a preference, but who knows, I might find someone of that race who changes everything.

 

[Rick18]

That's where it gets tricky, racist people (of every color) aren't always honest about their prejudices. They'll say it's because of location or something else when the truth is they're just bigots.

I agree, people who try to hide why they won't date a certain race are a whole different ball game. It tends to come out in time if you hang out with the person long enough though. Like I said though, when I start sensing something's up with the person, I just tend to distance myself from them. I don't need that negativity in my life, and I'd rather not be associated with them.

 

[Bi_Stud]

I know I don't share a popular opinion.. but to an extent.. everyone has a bit of racist tendencies whether they know it or not.

Anyway.. here is where I stand with this issue:

I don't really get turned on by black guys.. why? I have no idea. Have I seen some HOT black guys? FOR SURE. Do I have black friends? Definitely. Its just sexual-wise... I prefer White or Latin guys...it doesn't mean I am a full-out racist.

 

[lookin4sum1icantrust]

"I'm black and that's not racist at all. Nobody's obligated to be attracted to a certain race."

I never said people HAD to be. I said people SHOULD be.

This isn't about white guys not liking black guys. In my case it was a white guy discriminating against a "Brown" guy . That was MY personal experience. This is about racism in all forms:
Asians liking only blacks.
Whites liking only whites ETC..the combinations can go on forever...

I just dont understand why skin color and race is a factor in deciding someones physical attractiveness. obviously something has affected your brain that has made you find that particular race unattractive. I'm NOT saying your brain dead or anything, im saying something has made you dislike that race sexually..whether it be media or whatever

I can't believe you are going on like this. People will be people. Everyone has a preferences of what they like. I'm black and I'm into white guys. I prefer interracial relationships. I would date my own race, but I have a preference. I can see if they had something really inappropriate on their profile calling someone out their name. Example: I don't date the n-word or any word that is uncalled for. Also, just because you don't date one race doesn't mean you don't have that race as friends. I don't see anything racist about it.

 

[xzakxrawrx]

i'm white and 99% of black or indian guys turn me off sexually. whereas more black or indian girls turn me on which is strange.

 

[j0rdan]

shouldn't the topic actually read: 'Racist GAYS'?

*snicker* j/k everyone

 

[954dude]

Racists suck. End of opinion.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

Marleyisalegend, I really have to commend you for being steadfast in your arguments and consistent in your logic. You are absolutely correct in describing the various ways in which people disguise their racial prejudices as "personal preference." It's no longer socially acceptable for anyone to admit to racist attitudes, so It's easier to equate people with ice cream: "Oh, I only like the vanilla because it's creamy and sweet...that doesn't make me racist!" L.O.L! LOL! And no, there is no "lika white/latino only" gene. That behavior is learned.

 

[SoulSearcher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_LGBT_community

It all comes with being American, don't forget how the foundation of the country was laid, with blood of the Natives, and sweat of the Africans, the Devil always finds new ways of playing the same old tricks. BUT, I think there is still hope, I'm white, but I am attracted to all ethnicities (being Jewish helps as we have been through a lot ourselves).