racist guys?

[youngnihilist]

Right. Maybe you are not generally attracted to black guys, because, you just aren't. I get that. But others won't be attracted to black guys because of stereotypes - maybe they're afraid of black people, they think black skin = evil (consciously or not), who knows. Then there are the guys who won't even talk to black gay guys or befriend them because... they're black. Not all sexual preference is racism but it sometimes definitely is.

 

[irydion]

^^This is generalizing.



If you weren't, you'd just talk about the ones you came in contact with.. not Europeans in general. Unless you've backpacked across Europe, that seems like a pretty unfounded statement.
I won't lie, the majority of whites(and many non-whites also) that have had interest in me were not American, but I find that in no way indicative of what goes on in general over there or abroad in general. Not really sure how popular or attractive blacks would be in Poland, Germany or rural communities even in France, England, etc.

I think "officially" having a black boyfriend would not be a good idea for a girl, not to mention a boy, in rural communities. But the fact is black person is exotic, interesting etc, and many a girl and many a boy would love to see how it works with them... of course I'm talking about sex, but not only.
One of my friend has a half-black baby...
Another got a black husband...
my sister nearly married a black guy as well.
I think it's not a problem in gay community. In fact, one of the most reknown gay activist in Poland is black. It's funny, because he's
1) black, but with a polish surname
2) gay
3) a highlander (well, half-highlander)
his name is Legierski, and this is his photo
http://rodonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/krystian_legierski6_1.jpg
in fact, that's the only black (well, mulatto really) person reknown in Poland that is not an immigrant, but was borned in Poland. Others blacks reknown in Poland are mostly football players, and especially mister Emmanuel Olisadebe: he was granted polish citizenship and played in polish national representation. Lately, another foreign player played in polish representation, a Brazilian, he's a mulatto I guess.

there was also a black economists in some tv program, but I don't remember him well.

Sadly, another reknown black person in Poland is Simon Mol, who forged his biography to get refugee status, used to be very popular as a poet and thinker in left-wing circles. He was very popular with girls as well, but the problem was that he had AIDS, he knew about it, and still continued to fuck around without condoms. He is said to have demanded that from women, saying that demands from him to wear a condom are "racism, because not every person from Africa has AIDS". Allegedly in some areas in Cameroon, where he came from, it is believed that the more people you infect, the less ill you get yourself. It didn't work out in his case. He infected dozens of women. Lately he died.

I think this guy made a great harm to black community in Poland. There aren't many blacks here, You know,

 

[chimere]

I think there is a BIG difference in being a racist and having sexual preferences.

That's funny, because the racists and the people that have sexual preferences agree on the same point:

that ethnic minorities are aesthetically ugly!

Go read any comment on race and beauty on Stormfront, the white supremacist forum, and their comments literally echo verbatim the same sentiment by the "I prefer white but I'm not racist" crowd.

 

[chimere]

Additionally, those that claim they are not racist because they "sometimes or occasionally find a hot guy from "X" race" but that "most of them" are not like that, so they cannot be themselves racist, is simply bullshit. We'll call this a "token" coloured guy that stood out from "his race".

I'm going to quote a sociologist, who studied the use of race and black women in fashion advertising:

First, beauty is racialized such that what makes some darker-skinned women distinctive from some lighter-skinned women ( e.g., hair texture, nose shape, skin color) also makes them less beautiful according to mainstream cultural standards in the U.S. When women of color are included in advertising, then, they often look very similar to the White women they are with, varying only by a few degrees (eg., straightened hair [sometimes lightened], slightly darker skin, slightly wider nose).

Second, when women of color don’t conform to white standards of beauty, it is often interpreted as resistance to assimilation to whiteness and, thus, threatening. For example, when The New Yorker wanted to parody the rumor that the Obamas were Muslim terrorists, they put an afro on Michelle. So an advertiser will often choose women of color who look more-or-less white because to do otherwise is to send a message of non-conformity or resistance. This is often done strategically, but if they don’t want to send this message, they will include a woman of color who look assimilated.

Looks like the gay community still has a lot to learn from the feminists.

 

[youngnihilist]

chimere: Yeah, that's the issue. people saying they prefer blond hair blue eyes in terms of who they date/screw sound JUST like the stormfront losers.

Sure, there's a double standard. might look at a white guy that prefers black guys, and think that's cool and different and positive. well, because it is! in the very recent past white guys weren't even allowed to share the same water fountains as black, so if you're white and love black men it's progressive.

and looking at a white guy who prefers blond guys and won't date black guys, its just more of the legacy of racism, eugenics, and moevments that killed millions. is it your fault and should you feel bad for it? no, it's just your "preference", but it has shady legacy

really though, the best solution would be all people open to each other

 

[Dakarai]

You guys still at it?

People will never admit to the truth and will always find some "lie" to cover it up so that they can carry on with thier agendas of dividing and conquering.

I have done some thinking and took off to Cape Town for an empolyment opportunity (sadly I did no get it as I am 5 months to young but next time I shall claim my jumpseat on that aircraft lol) and also to get away from the slaughtering heat of Windhoek. Cape Town is a very diverse city, a very cosmopolitan city like lets say Paris but with more natural beauty, charm and the people are friendly and great food.

It's extremely diverse, you will find a alot of inter-racial couples - blacks with coloured, whites with blacks/coloured, blacks with asians etc . There people have a more open-mindset than most folks in some ''Western'' cities .. yes racism is still prevalent in SA but people are more tolerant of one another. You do find ads that are quite racist when the said person is looking for NSA fun with only a particular race but only few and far inbetween.

I am a rainbow child and don't go for skin colour because it's just colour, I learned to distinguish between preferences and real attraction - I use to exclusively only go for guys with green eyes and caramel skin but I limited myself and now I opened up myself more to different kinds of guys .. and trust me it's a plethora - yes there are definately cultural differences but when you approach it with an open mind and positive attitude you won't be disappointed.

The first thing I look at when I am attracted to a guy is his eyes, if I see a spark ignite and felt a jolt then I know we connected, I take in his scent and then check out his hands and feet - it all depends on how the guy smells and carries himself - skin colour is something I don't look at unless someone or the guy makes me aware of it. Thats when I totally shut down, retreat and I don't pursue any further.

I once met a German guy who had a rather negative effect on me and he exuded typical Germanic traits. I do not like what I call ''Evil Germans'' - yes there are few Germans who are exceptional communicators, diverse and open but majority of the Germans have a very narrow, self-centered, cold, arrogant and racist attitude. Some of them (Mostly Europeans) are simply just attracted to my skin colour and the stereotypes that surrounds it - blacks = big dicks so they must exploit, anyway back to the guy, it started off really well with him and I did not view him as white - I wanted to know the person he was until he made me aware of skin colour by stating he is so damn happy he met a ''black'' guy like me .. thats when I felt degraded and also it stirred up something in me and something told me to just leave.
Also my past experiences with Germans have always ended up with me feeling degraded and less human but I am deflecting thier energies back to them by ignoring thier ignorance. This was not meant to offend any German guys here and like I said earlier there are a few who are diverse but that far and inbetween and varies from area to area in the country.

In my observations ''culture'' is the real obstacle not ''race'' because from culture stems society and attitude, it's a conditioning of the human mind that takes place which can either make a good or bad person out of it.

I also think it's time to rotate the table and also reflect on black men and women who are very prejudice against other races even thier own, asians against whites etc because I have read every single reply on this thread and majority of it is just a battle between black and white.

The issue being discussed here needs to be eradicated completely from the human mind. It is of no importance and is just another form of enslavement. Instead of bitching with one another lets overthrow the supremacist powers that created the evil system and who influence cultures, traditions and ethics through mass media and poisoning of minds.

Wa'Papa

 

[954dude]

The whole "i'm not attracted to darker skin tones" thing is such a cop out because there are many latinos who are as dark or darker than many blacks, but you rarely see them excluded when talking about preference.

That touches on ANOTHER level of racism...self-hatred.

Many Latinos are of African descent (all Spanish speaking countries have a significant African and African mixed population from slave days) and many of them who are dark skinned have something against others of African descent and try to bring in the "I'm Latino, I'm not African American" equation in there.

You go to Brazil, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, or Cuba and you'll see the racial conflict or double standards. There's a standard of "light is beautiful" all over the world and many who are dark have this inferiority complex and lash out at themselves or others dark.

 

[youngnihilist]

Marley, Yeah it is kind of like Jim Crow all over again. Sexual Jim Crow, if you will. It just is - no other way to put it.

954dude yeah I have noticed some basically black latinos say they're not black - they're latino, despite the fact that most haitians dominicans many puerto ricans and cubans look full black (because, they more or less are). Just like some filipinos claim not to be asian when they are very much so... spanish influence does not strip away your race!

 

[Dakarai]

I just spoke to a fellow black guy in my country - and he told me about his relationship - it's always on and off and he wants to get out - so out of curiousity I asked is his partner caucasian - he answered yes, next thing he tells me is that he perfers them cause ''black guys are great sexually but the don't respect like a white man'' I almost bought 50c gas to burn that Funa!!

This shit is not legit!! I mean I am not against any race and I don't discriminate but this shit of white people being Gods and Ideal partners has to stop!

I would much rather have a dude who can dance to the african drum and heartbeat! Not to be rude but white folks just can't do it good on a dance floor - also it's much nicer to have a fellow kinsman or shall I say tribesman who can do the Afrique Voodoo dance with you - cuz he knows your body and always kisses dem hands thanking you for cooking that delicious meal - and whisks you off to the bedroom - I STOP right there. Wa sal a lani dit ka doen????

Lets also talk of the hostility between Ameros (black) and Africans - who love pointing down at Africans - they have AIDS, poor, uneducated - I noticed the Amero decendants of Afrique don't have that spirit in them that you see in true Afrique! They westernized and look down on the Africans . Not all but some do. They also went so far as to ''relax'' their natural wolly hair just to look white - how any black people in Amera keep thier natural hair? If you want racism to stop - don't use poisons to straighten your hair or bleach your skin! Also take the time and come back home to your ancestral home continent and help us here to build a strong continent of love, pride and let us take back our dignity! And that bitch the Queen Lizbet must be dethrowned and we must let our true Afrique Queen carry our Diamond, Lizbet stole! I do not bow down to that witch!

Why you think Zimbabwe the power house of Afrique is going down? The real reason is that Mugabe wants to eradicate Western influence in Afrique - however the way he pursued it was not in a dignified and Afrique way.. but that man I admire him for one thing - he will not bow down to that Queen who has stolen so much from us! Also the media really exaggerates when it comes to Zimbabwe - this cholera outbreak was an attack performed by western powers but Mugabe did not submit - so the west kept sanctioning them and thus you get the situation there! Now this shit isi legit nie!! The walls are starting to crack and the West is losing influence in Afrique!

Ok that was off topic but needed to vent!

Isja keeping it Mzanzi!!!!

 

[MorrisseyX]

I don't place white gay men on a pedestal and I would not date a white man but that's my personal viewpoint. I don't have an issue if people want to get involved in interracial relationships because that's their choice. Everyone has a right to date whomever they choose. I have also dated other men of colour.

I honestly feel I am more comfortable and happier being with another man of colour. Someone that "knows" and understand what I go through in society as a black gay man. I don't got time to educate a boyfriend about society they should know it by now.

I think in Western culture though whiteness has been placed as the "ideal" and a lot of people internalize this form of racism. There are good people and bad people regardless of their racial background. The ideology that "white gay men" are some how "better" then men of colour I honestly believe is a racist theory. However, in the mainstream gay community the image of beauty is the young white fit gay male. I think some gay men of colour internalize this kind of ideal and think if they have a "white boyfriend" they will be "accepted" by the white gay community. Now of course different people are attracted to different races. I think the issue of racism emerges behind some of the "reasons" certain people date a different race.

If a person of colour is attracted only to white guys that's their business nobody has a right to judge. I just have an issue with this ideology that because a person has a certain skin colour they are "better" and that's false all humans have flaws we are all flawed.

 

[Dakarai]

I don't place white gay men on a pedestal and I would not date a white man but that's my personal viewpoint. I don't have an issue if people want to get involved in interracial relationships because that's their choice. Everyone has a right to date whomever they choose. I have also dated other men of colour.

I honestly feel I am more comfortable and happier being with another man of colour. Someone that "knows" and understand what I go through in society as a black gay man. I don't got time to educate a boyfriend about society they should know it by now.

I think in Western culture though whiteness has been placed as the "ideal" and a lot of people internalize this form of racism. There are good people and bad people regardless of their racial background. The ideology that "white gay men" are some how "better" then men of colour I honestly believe is a racist theory. However, in the mainstream gay community the image of beauty is the young white fit gay male. I think some gay men of colour internalize this kind of ideal and think if they have a "white boyfriend" they will be "accepted" by the white gay community. Now of course different people are attracted to different races. I think the issue of racism emerges behind some of the "reasons" certain people date a different race.

If a person of colour is attracted only to white guys that's their business nobody has a right to judge. I just have an issue with this ideology that because a person has a certain skin colour they are "better" and that's false all humans have flaws we are all flawed.

Spoken like a true man!! You single lol

 

[-Ready-]

I don't by any means consider that to be racism, as many have said it's preference. I'm black and I prefer (but not limited to) white men, does that make me racist? Not at all. It's all about people's choice.

 

[chimere]

I don't by any means consider that to be racism, as many have said it's preference. I'm black and I prefer (but not limited to) white men, does that make me racist? Not at all. It's all about people's choice.

Do people even read a thread before posting anymore?

 

[dline07]

i definitely dont think it's racism or racial discrimination. it's personal preference, you might be more emotionally or sexually attracted to one race over another.

i'm probably just repeating what a lot of people have already said in this thread but i'm just reassuring it.

 

[MorrisseyX]

I don't think anyone is suggesting if a man of colour wants to date a white man is racist. Of course it isn't. What we are suggesting though is you have to admit the standard of beauty in the homosexual community is of a white image of a young fit white male. The movies, magazines, commercials, books, in the mainstream homosexual community orientate towards a Eurocentric perspective. So if the palatable image of the homosexual is of a white man of course some men of colour will internalize this ideal and try to seek out this ideal for acceptance. Not all will do this but some will.

 

[-Ready-]

It tickles me that these same exact words have been repeated several times, almost verbatim. Way to deflect from the topic.

Nope. They sure don't.

Do people even read a thread before posting anymore?

Jesus Christ you two should lighten up a bit. Yes I did read the thread, and if my opinion mirrors that of someone else's, that doesn't by any means exclude me from repeating it. Sometimes it's better to repeat something over and over anyway.

Just relax dudes, it's only like my fifth post, but I'm not trying to come off mean.

 

[Kyanimal]

This entire thing saddens and depresses me

I wish people were more open

Hey, Lucky!

Tell you what ...

Next time (if ever) You might be coming to Milwaukee/Chicago, let me know. Though I may be older ... I'm definitely "Open"!!

(And, no! I'm not meaning that in any "predatory" way!)

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

 

[Trinity89]

I am not attracted to a black man. So, I don't have sex with black men. Yeah sure you're personality may be great, then that's awesome. Let's be friends. But I don't want to fuck you. If I think a guy who has too much of a skew nose, it's his feature that's a turn off, not all guys with skew noses are ugly, so I'd skip him. In the same way skin color is a feature, which I am not attracted to, so I wouldn't go for you.

 

[hotatlboi]

wow this thread is old.

 

[bankside]

No thanks.

I'll pass.

LOL.


"Skew-noses" and "Blacks with good personalities" Unite! We're in this together. Taking asses and kicking names.