Rangel calls Romney a threat to national security

[White Eagle]

the premise is shit

right now israel and iran are on the brink with iran more and more capable every day of fulfilling their promise of the destruction of israel

the middle east has never been more combustible

meanwhile obama unlike bush would've or romney would've has not said we stand by israel period

meanwhile there are protests all over

Middle East protests: mobs attack six Western embassies as protesters fill streets - Telegraph

it'd be grand if being the good guy resonated and paid dividends for all

but i think we're seeing that being nice isn't a policy

as for Charlie Rangel being the source of a discussion ........... absurd is being kind

Do you even read your links? This link is to an article about the protesters protesting about the video. Good Lord!

 

[Kulindahr]

He relies heavily on focus groups apparently.

His strategy is purely of figuring out what people will like to hear and vote for, so he can say it. If I were him I would fire the people running that focus group, cause Romney can't buy a sack of hammers without screwing it up... LITTERALY.

I'm wondering if he even cares about people voting, only what the market will do. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he makes foolish statements because his team thinks they will influence the market in predictable ways and he can rake in profit.

 

[White Eagle]

If McCain had won, we would already be at war with Syria, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan. IT would be impossible for him to have acted.

America does not need to have multiple war capabilities until someone figures out a way to stop wars of choice from being used under the guise of police actions. We would be in a terrible place right now, if we take McCain for his word, in the last four years. He criticized the end of the Iraqi war as cut and run. He thinks we ought to have a war without end in Afghanistan, and he says he would have invaded Libya, boots on the ground, and he would have invaded Syria, boots on the ground.

Where do all these boots come from? Draft?

As usual that part is always left out. I guess if you kill enough soldiers in war, it will lower unemployment. Perhaps that is the republican plan to lower the jobless rate.

And don't forget Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran.
And dammit Keith Richards got me again!

 

[chance1]

Do you even read your links? This link is to an article about the protesters protesting about the video. Good Lord!

you're funny ....... unintentionally

the narrative of "why" is not the point

the point is that the middle east is a mess

a videotape should not cause this level of problem

and how it could and is ....... speaks to the current situation in the region

with president "i'm your friend" doing his faux leadership thing

so anxious to be the anti-bush that he neglected to realize who he was dealing with

the point is that the ME is as or more unstable than ever !!!

oh yeah I forgot the president is not responsible for bad things - only good ones

much like the videotape being the cause and reason for this ....... just more fictitious [removed by moderator]

 

[BostonPirate]

And don't forget Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran.
And dammit Keith Richards got me again!

How could I have forgotten that. So if McCain were in office, we would be in five wars right now, according to him.

And remember....

He is known to be the more moderate and reasonable GOPper on the Hill. Can you imagine why these loons want to raise the Defense budget by two more trillion than the Pentagon has asked for.

They want war.

 

[Centexfarmer]

^ Does anyone actually believe that was just a McCain policy?

The right wing War Hawks aren't happy unless America is at constant WAR with something, someone, or some ideology.

 

[BostonPirate]

I agree that it was most definitely a party wide belief. The problem I have is that I can't tell whether they meant it, or just said it because it was oposite of Obama.

But for whatever reason, it's not just McCain.

I grew up when that version of the song first went around, and that was when The Iranian hostage crisis went on. McCain and some members of the GOP are still living that resentment in their heads.

Bush and Iraq? the same thing.

Now? Will it be Syria, or Egypt?

 

[Kulindahr]

The right wing War Hawks aren't happy unless America is at constant WAR with something, someone, or some ideology.

Democrats love violence in movies.

Republicans love violence on the news -- government-delivered violence.

 

[frankfrank]

Romney? Imagine if McCain won... with Sarah Palin in the White House... I would be embarrassed to even live in this country. NO SHIT, SHERLOCK. And this pair is certainly no better, though Sarah Palin may well be the most stupid person ever ro run for an "at-large" NATIONAL office in the history of the "industrialized West."

Obama must win over Romney, and his supporters must remain vigilant. No complacency. Get out to vote... as simple as that.

Absolute emphasis for utmost importance!!! Don't forget what kind of Supreme Court appointments RobMe would be likely to make. Donald Wildmon or Phyllis Schafly, anyone? (Look them up, and puke.)

If McCain had won, we would already be at war with Syria, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan. IT would be impossible for him to have acted.

He thinks we ought to have a war without end in Afghanistan, and he says he would have invaded Libya, boots on the ground, and he would have invaded Syria, boots on the ground.

Where do all these boots come from? Draft?

Not to mention that he has specifically advocated bombing Iran - and, I think, Pakistan. Might as well bomb a few more countries that did nothing to us (like G W Bush/Iraq). Ecuador and Azerbaijan, perhaps?

He is known to be the more moderate and reasonable GOPper on the Hill. Can you imagine why these loons want to raise the Defense budget by two more trillion than the Pentagon has asked for.

They want war.

AND THEY WANT ARMAGEDDON. These stupid idiots actually think that they will be Raptured but, IF THERE IS anything like a Hell - which I actually doubt - they may have rude afterlife surprises coming. I think more likely their next lives will be born in the slums of Timbuktu or born as a woman in Calcutta, or other such place.

Remember, nature abhors a vacuum. Likewise, a bloated Defense with nowhere to go, will FIND new places to go.

 

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

As for national security nothing less secure than an economy on the brink

This seems like a rather bi-polar talking point here given your rant that ensues later in this thread. So should we focus on the economy then (rebuilding at home) and cut back on the costly interventionist policy of the last administration that served us so well? Or not? What exactly is your talking point here?

Picturing u with a microphone pushing thru the crowd to get your exclusive story

It just means that personal attacks and outrageous claims are not ones to be embraced

And the idea that BO is some kind of foreign affairs afficionado because he ordered the death of OBL is absurd

His middle east friends play is a disaster
With our only real friend feeling less than comfortable

Mitt could not have done worse in the ME - thats for sure

the premise is shit

right now israel and iran are on the brink with iran more and more capable every day of fulfilling their promise of the destruction of israel

the middle east has never been more combustible

meanwhile obama unlike bush would've or romney would've has not said we stand by israel period

meanwhile there are protests all over

Middle East protests: mobs attack six Western embassies as protesters fill streets - Telegraph

it'd be grand if being the good guy resonated and paid dividends for all

but i think we're seeing that being nice isn't a policy

as for Charlie Rangel being the source of a discussion ........... absurd is being kind

Ok... so you've hit on all of the qualitative Republican talking points pretty well. And you've also belittled the president's diplomacy efforts as "playing nice"... fair enough. But, as you claim Mitt "could not have done worse in the ME", can you substantiate this claim with anything about Mitt's proposed policies while keeping in mind the economic climate of the nation and Mitt Romney's own economic promises? In particular, how would Mitt's policies have been better at preventing/ dealing with the current worldwide anti-American demonstrations?

 

[Jack Springer]

Defending your honor is much better than apologizing all the time and bowing to the son of a dictator that treated his own people and millions of others like shit.

How many million people did the father of the guy Obama is bowing to kill?

^ Does anyone actually believe that was just a McCain policy?

The right wing War Hawks aren't happy unless America is at constant WAR with something, someone, or some ideology.

 

[chance1]

This seems like a rather bi-polar talking point here given your rant that ensues later in this thread. So should we focus on the economy then (rebuilding at home) and cut back on the costly interventionist policy of the last administration that served us so well? Or not? What exactly is your talking point here?

Ok... so you've hit on all of the qualitative Republican talking points pretty well. And you've also belittled the president's diplomacy efforts as "playing nice"... fair enough. But, as you claim Mitt "could not have done worse in the ME", can you substantiate this claim with anything about Mitt's proposed policies while keeping in mind the economic climate of the nation and Mitt Romney's own economic promises? In particular, how would Mitt's policies have been better at preventing/ dealing with the current worldwide anti-American demonstrations?

hmm

nice - there's no rant and none of my therapists have mentioned bi-polar as an issue - many others but not that

and i don't do talking points as i don't watch fox very much at all

i don't appreciate your commentary one bit

and thus

tough noogies on a response

sorry that you've joined the dark side

 

[Kulindahr]

Defending your honor is much better than apologizing all the time and bowing to the son of a dictator that treated his own people and millions of others like shit.

How many million people did the father of the guy Obama is bowing to kill?

You really ought to study some history before you make yourself look any more ignorant.

 

[Rolyo85]

Defending your honor? What is this, Shark vs Jets?

 

[JayHawk]

If the republican party had anything in the way of honor to offer then Mitt Romney should accept he was at the forefront of dumping debt on others which is the mindset that has us where we are today. Seppuku is called for to defend the Romney family honor.

On the issue of open and honest to run for federal office based on his established family history Mitt Romney is an embarrassment by not offering his tax returns for America to scrutinize as they are hiring him just has he demanded ten years of Ryan's financial data to hire him. Seppuku is called for to defend the Romney family honor.

On defiling the dead bodies of those who wear the cloth of our country before the bodies were even cold simply to make a political point. Seppuku is called for to defend the Romney family honor.

On steadfastly determining that health care is something good a government should do for it's people but to garner his parties nomination throwing that opinion out the window. Seppuku is called for to defend the Romney family honor.

No it is exceedingly clear that when the chips are down Romney will say and do anything to make it nice again. He is the farthest from someone who might consider taking a stand for something he believes in past, present or future.

So the best thing Romney could do to defend honor is Seppuku.

 

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

hmm

nice - there's no rant and none of my therapists have mentioned bi-polar as an issue - many others but not that

and i don't do talking points as i don't watch fox very much at all

i don't appreciate your commentary one bit

and thus

tough noogies on a response

sorry that you've joined the dark side

Touche...

Heaven forbid I ask that your political positions be internally consistent and for you to back up your statement that Romney would be better... 90% of my post was simple questions... I am not sure of the vicious "commentary" you speaketh of... I was just trying to untangle precisely what your position is...

Obama bad... got that

So... is a return to Bush foreign policy needed? Or... is Romney going to do something different that he has kept secret from us? Or.. does he just need to talk like a "tough guy" and the Muslim world will finally learn some damn respect? Enlighten me...

 

[Kulindahr]

Touche...

Heaven forbid I ask that your political positions be internally consistent and for you to back up your statement that Romney would be better... 90% of my post was simple questions... I am not sure of the vicious "commentary" you speaketh of... I was just trying to untangle precisely what your position is...

Obama bad... got that

So... is a return to Bush foreign policy needed? Or... is Romney going to do something different that he has kept secret from us? Or.. does he just need to talk like a "tough guy" and the Muslim world will finally learn some damn respect? Enlighten me...

Chance doesn't do specifics -- it would be too much like Obama, too unlike Romney.

Many of us would love to find that Chance actually has a position, so more power to you!

 

[rareboy]

Touche...

Heaven forbid I ask that your political positions be internally consistent and for you to back up your statement that Romney would be better... 90% of my post was simple questions... I am not sure of the vicious "commentary" you speaketh of... I was just trying to untangle precisely what your position is...

Obama bad... got that

So... is a return to Bush foreign policy needed? Or... is Romney going to do something different that he has kept secret from us? Or.. does he just need to talk like a "tough guy" and the Muslim world will finally learn some damn respect? Enlighten me...

Welcome to the Dark Side I guess. It is getting crowded over here though. I don't believe that there are more than 3 others on JustUsBoys who still enjoy the warm and radiant streaming sun beams of Chance's approval.

However, the problem with getting the Obama haters to articulate foreign policy is that they approach it like they do art. They don't know anything about it, but they know what they don't like.

It is simply 'Whatever Obama has done, it is wrong and we'd do it differently'. One has noticed, that in 2012, this is the Republican platform on every issue from the economy to repeal of DADT.

Even killing Bin Laden wasn't done right by Obama.

Like all of us here, Obama has been relegated to the Dark Side; there to languish and cower under the stinging criticism from those who have no real ideas or substance to offer in his stead.

 

[BostonPirate]

Oh my goodness...

A kerfluffle was made while I was entertaining guests last night and was away... About President Obama exchanging customary gestures of respect between world leaders and heads of state.

Bush held the Saudi Princes hand, does that make him queer for Arabs? no in either case.

It shows that they were prepared by the state dept on the customs of how foreign dignitaries behave.

What Jack's picture does not show is that the return exchange of a handshake, The american gesture of international respect. I am sure the emperor was not accustomed to being touched and that there may be some conservative Japanese who found THAT offensive.

When Sharon and Arafat made their deal, Sharon is remembered for saying, "I will shake his hand, but no kissing"... indicating he would put on the show for the Europeans, but not respect the palestinian gesture of cheek pressing for the Palestinians.

This is the environment that the world leaders exist in. The bubble. Gestures of respect forgotten can affect a trade treaty three months later.

This whole bowing thing is foolish.

So?

These are people operating in a sphere unlike the normal one. Gestures of respect, such as Bowing to your elders, is not a sign of weakness in Obama for the Japanese. It is a sign that he is an honorable man that understands how important the concept of elder respect is to their people.

Bush's kissing the ring of the pope and bowing to him or kissing the Saudi prince and bowing to him was defended you the GOP. But imagine if Obama had ever been seen doing that what would be said?

Folks.....

This is called diplomacy

I know since that usually only happens in the republican world with gun barrels, but that really is one of the reasons our embassies are in flames right now.

For too many years America Blew the fuck out of a place that it manipulates for its own personal gain. Now every anti arab movement in the sub culture of the extreme right is misinterpreted in the mideast and africaas as a possible lead in to being invaded.

America needs to clean house on the hate shit, and stop letting people hide behind the veil of religion as a means of promoting it. Freedom of religion was never meant to include freedom of hatred.

Both the whackos in the Mideast and the Whackos in the radical right of america don't get it and can't tell the difference, because to them hatred IS their religion.

Jack Springer's actions and words in this thread are the perfect examples that defines the disconnect with the world, and the fear and hatred that comes from seeing life only through the perspective of your race, wealth, and class.

This in essense is the dillemna we face with Romney. He doesn't know how to express respect to others, and that is precisely why he became the GOP candidate. That is all they really have built their brand on in the last four years.

Disrespect for Obama.

Romney can't do the most basic of things, even enjoy a plate of cookies without offending the people that offered them to him, because he has no concept of the work values and ethics that went into making them.

When you can't understand your own countries values, how can he and his supporters be expected to understand the values of other nations of the planet, and how in the hell can that person run foreign affairs and the largest military the planet has ever seen.

 

[BostonPirate]

Oh and just to make my point clearer, here is a picture of Reagan meeting with the men that protected Osama Bin Laden in the mideast and what he thought of them.

International diplomacy is the process whereby everyone says things they really don't mean, but uses gestures they all don't like, to convince the other guy that they are willing to play ball on each other's turf, politically.