Rape

[m1thousand]

This is my 2nd sex themed thread of the night ;-)

There is a girl in the news who says she was raped by the 'Punt God'

Be honest, do you sympathize with her or do you think she should be o.k. about having sex with the guys accused of raping her?

I hate to say it because it is not the 'right answer' but he is cute and she should be o.k. with that.

Am I wrong?

Maybe I would think differently if I was violently raped!!!

 

[unloadonme]

You're wrong. No means no, regardless of how attractive the other party may be.

From what you say, however, this is only an allegation and it has not yet been tested in court. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

 

[LeicsDom]

You're wrong. No means no, regardless of how attractive the other party may be.

From what you say, however, this is only an allegation and it has not yet been tested in court. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Completely agree. No matter how hot the guy is he has no automatic 'right' to fuck anyone
Rape is ANY non-consensual sex

 

[unloadonme]

Rape is ANY non-consensual sex

On a point of pedantry, I think the lawyers would say that rape specifically requires penetration. Non-consensual, non-penetrative sex is sexual or indecent assault rather than rape.

https://www.met.police.uk/advice/ad...xual-assault/what-is-rape-and-sexual-assault/

 

[NotHardUp1]

I have no affection for professional athletes, nor even any admiration for college jocks, but what has happened to this man is trial by accusation. Whether he is guilty or not, to be dropped by his employer at the accusation of rape just reinforces the view that if there is smoke there must be fire.

The specific allegations hype the 17 year old age of the accuser (at the time of the alleged rape) and have nothing to say about her getting drunk underage. This sort of unbalanced social condemnation of one side of an event is a huge problem. Using labels like "underage" as part of the dog whistle for a SJW-styled lynching is a form of bigotry.

She is cloaked with an aura of victimhood that makes her some sort of pawn instead of an accomplice. Even if she actually was raped, which is not known yet, the only focus of the media is the fall of a jock hero, not the reasonable questioning of who attends a college jock party as an underage girl getting drunk. It's not a naive waif who was led in with candy from a guy out front disguised as a harmless grandmother.

We're constantly asked to buy into a load of crap about who is a victim and how they have no responsibility when they clearly do.

And no, that doesn't mean all rapes have any legitimate fingers to point at the victims, but some do, and this one may, IF it is even a rape case.

 

[Peloso]

Perhaps the least egregious thing about this thread topic is the assertion that because you think he's hot, she should too.

Didn't you post on an earlier thread that you have had issues with botomming in the past?

Maybe I would think differently if I was violently raped!!!

Well there you go!

 

[KaraBulut]

Content is everything:

 

[Peloso]

^ Sometimes I wonder if most heterosexual men have rape fantasies and the disproportionate media coverage of these stories is meant as a kind of subversive titillation.

 

[KaraBulut]

^ Sometimes I wonder if most heterosexual men have rape fantasies and the disproportionate media coverage of these stories is meant as a kind of subversive titillation.

The thing that stuck out for me was a variation on the "What about us?" phenomenon... "What about our team? Will this cause the Buffalo Bills to lose football games? What about the team's reputation if we keep this guy around?".

Contrast that with the Armie Hammer situation.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I have no affection for professional athletes, nor even any admiration for college jocks, but what has happened to this man is trial by accusation. Whether he is guilty or not, to be dropped by his employer at the accusation of rape just reinforces the view that if there is smoke there must be fire.

The specific allegations hype the 17 year old age of the accuser (at the time of the alleged rape) and have nothing to say about her getting drunk underage. This sort of unbalanced social condemnation of one side of an event is a huge problem. Using labels like "underage" as part of the dog whistle for a SJW-styled lynching is a form of bigotry.

She is cloaked with an aura of victimhood that makes her some sort of pawn instead of an accomplice. Even if she actually was raped, which is not known yet, the only focus of the media is the fall of a jock hero, not the reasonable questioning of who attends a college jock party as an underage girl getting drunk. It's not a naive waif who was led in with candy from a guy out front disguised as a harmless grandmother.

We're constantly asked to buy into a load of crap about who is a victim and how they have no responsibility when they clearly do.

And no, that doesn't mean all rapes have any legitimate fingers to point at the victims, but some do, and this one may, IF it is even a rape case.

Rape victims are accomplices? That's the most disgusting thing I've read on the internet in a long, long time. Point fingers? Despicable. Utterly despicable. Heaven help us if THIS is civilization.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^ Sometimes I wonder if most heterosexual men have rape fantasies and the disproportionate media coverage of these stories is meant as a kind of subversive titillation.

That's definitely the case. That's why the only stories that get attention are when she and possibly he are attractive. This is a sick world with some really sick people in it and threads like this remind me that not everybody has a human soul. I don't believe in demons in the traditional spiritual sense, but in an Earthly way there are people that are just pure, undiluted evil. Rapists and their apologists being at the top of that list.

This is one of our less shining moments on JUB, let us pray someone isn't browsing for the first time and the first thing they see is a thread glorifying sexual assault. It's even worse for men because we have even less space to come forward and this is exactly why. People performing weird creepy mental gymnastics to make the fault a two-way street or to make it sexy.

Beam me up Scotty! One-way.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

The thing that stuck out for me was a variation on the "What about us?" phenomenon... "What about our team? Will this cause the Buffalo Bills to lose football games? What about the team's reputation if we keep this guy around?".

Sports culture. A local high school student was under investigation for rape and still allowed to play. I was always averse to sports, hearing my family screaming at the tv was enough to deter me from appreciating the athleticism of it all, but as I got older and began to understand just how much precedent winning takes over the most basic morals I was like "Yeah, I'm not missing much. In fact, they are (the fans)."

Sexual assault at least in America exists in this weird space where we put the victims on trial in the spirit of "We don't wanna OVER prosecute rape" when, statistically, we barely prosecute it at all. I think the stats are out of every 1,000, 5 will be charged or convicted. And of course America chose this hyper-vigilant defensive culture AFTER spending decades using a "point out the n-word that did this" as the process for charging convicting and imprisoning (or lynching) rapists. Our tax dollars are STILL covering settlements of wrongly accused rapists who were exonerated years ago by DNA evidence or witness testimony and, because "of course," these inmates weren't immediately released. I always find it ironic how often people of color are expected to "get over" events that are tantamount to a white person's deepest fears. I can only laugh to myself when discussing these sports assaults and wide-eyed white guys are like "BRO, but what if he's innocent!?!?" Honey WE WROTE THAT HYMNAL!

 

[nycguydowntown]

He's innocent until proven guilty ---and I don't believe every rape allegation ---woman lie for many reasons. I know in one sentence she has destroyed his and his family's life. His family is beyond devastated. No means No ---have to see if she said no.

 

[jjonn3]

No always means no and should be respected without question or pressure.

However this was a drunk 17 year old at a college party. It appears something happened as they say they obtained a rape kit - but that was months ago and still no charges have been filed by the police - so there may be more to the story.

 

[cabinfever]

I was violently raped - more than once. Being a guy - no recourse for me, To be "OK" with it because they were "cute" ? - no words

I can't even comment anymore - I would have to use the delete function over and over if I continue.

I have long held the opinion that people who fantasize about rape have never actually been raped.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

He's innocent until proven guilty ---and I don't believe every rape allegation ---woman lie for many reasons. I know in one sentence she has destroyed his and his family's life. His family is beyond devastated. No means No ---have to see if she said no.

Sometimes they don't even get the chance to say no. It's not always an unsure romantic escapade that goes too far. Example, a friend of mine who was assaulted by a stranger who beat her up then stuck his fist in her mouth so she couldn't scream while he raped her. Yall don't really seem to understand the brutality behind sexual assault, per misogyny and apathy towards women the narrative is always the same. "Call in the CSI lab and no conviction absent 10 mountains of proof, maybe it happened but it probably didn't and if it didn't he ruined her life." No care or concern for if she's telling the truth.

If I was a mod this thread would be locked, and then I'd go to the bathroom to vomit cuz watching men discuss rape is always so nauseating. In the odd event that you're capable of sympathy for women, what if she's telling the truth?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

No always means no and should be respected without question or pressure.

However this was a drunk 17 year old at a college party. It appears something happened as they say they obtained a rape kit - but that was months ago and still no charges have been filed by the police - so there may be more to the story.

There are rapists who were able to rack up victims because rape kits sat in a fridge or locker or whatever, untested for no reason at all til somebody got bored and decided to do inventory 9 years later. Please for the love of god understand that our country is NOT thorough and definitely NOT timely in prosecuting or investigating rape. doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed, just means the police don't care just like most civilians don't. just like many of you who are gushing with concern for the man and the possibility that this did occur is a mere afterthought.

we're at 15 posts and the prevailing theme is "But what if she's lying" with nobody really caring "what if she's not?" as someone who works closely with victims of sexual abuse, i understand why they don't come forward. cuz they're the ones who are put on trial, not the attackers. have we already forgotten jeffrey dahmer continued raping and killing after multiple run-ins with the police because they didn't believe one victim and even while catching him in damn-near in the act with another underage victim they did nothing?

somebody wake me in about 100 years when the US isn't a(s much of a) safe haven for sexual predators.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I was violently raped - more than once. Being a guy - no recourse for me, To be "OK" with it because they were "cute" ? - no words

I can't even comment anymore - I would have to use the delete function over and over if I continue.

I had to get some really ill feelings outta my system, and delete them cuz they would've gotten me banned from the internet entirely. This was my exact fear, I couldn't fathom being a victim of assault and having my trauma compounded and reinforced with titanium steel watching people talk about it as if A) it never happens or B) when it does happen, it's kinda sexy. I need to go watch some videos of people rescuing animals from a frozen lake or some shit to restore my faith in our sorry species.

 

[unloadonme]

we're at 15 posts and the prevailing theme is "But what if she's lying" with nobody really caring "what if she's not?" as someone who works closely with victims of sexual abuse, i understand why they don't come forward. cuz they're the ones who are put on trial, not the attackers. have we already forgotten jeffrey dahmer continued raping and killing after multiple run-ins with the police because they didn't believe one victim and even while catching him in damn-near in the act with another underage victim they did nothing?

We're at 18 posts now, including no less than 6 from you. The prevailing theme from the other 12 posts as I interpret them is that rape is never acceptable, but that anyone accused of it is entitled to have their guilt or innocence determined by a court of law rather than the court of public opinion.

 

[KaraBulut]

No always means no and should be respected without question or pressure.

However this was a drunk 17 year old at a college party. It appears something happened as they say they obtained a rape kit - but that was months ago and still no charges have been filed by the police - so there may be more to the story.

There is something up since this is a civil case and not a criminal case.

It should also be mentioned that a group of college guys, also drinking, were stupid if they did what they have been accused of.