Rape

[Sebazz]

Mods delete threads and posts left and right for no reason, but this one's still up??

 

[rareboy]

Jesus Christ wept.

 

[DepravedMuscleFTL]

sorry - but this sounds like TYPICAL frat house stuff - everyone on the planet knows that frat parties are specifically the intentions of horny college aged boyz to get laid - and the girlz who attend go because they are looking for some jock cock - you find a couple who get loose enough to put out - and the boyz take their turns - the girlz then want to try to regain some sort of dignity after they drunkenly took loads from half the party and scream rape - no does mean no = but not the day after.... regret is not rape

 

[NotHardUp1]

Be honest, do you sympathize with her or do you think she should be o.k. about having sex with the guys accused of raping her?

The topic is indeed a hot topic, but your question makes the strong and fallacious assumption that we do or do not believe the accuser.

It's safe to say that most thinking readers do not have any position on it, as it is just an accusation at this distance, without proof, credibility or even criminal charges.

Whereas there are readers who inherently sympathize with any alleged rape victim because there is a history of blaming the victim, there are just as many or more readers who remember false accusations and spite cases, clearly lobbed for revenge, just like accusations of child abuse in divorces.

But, real or contrived, there is no criminal case that any of us have heard of, so it appears to be a he-said, she-said at this point.

 

[LeicsDom]

To play devil's advocate ....
We have seen in the Epstein case how girls/women only decide something is 'inappropriate' after the event but still go back for more
Unfortunately it is not unknown for women to decide after the event that they shouldn't have done it and thus shout rape/assault etc
That is not to say that this is the case in this instance but ..... 'the boy who cries wolf' comes to mind

 

[Latimer]

I was violently raped - more than once. Being a guy - no recourse for me, To be "OK" with it because they were "cute" ? - no words

I can't even comment anymore - I would have to use the delete function over and over if I continue.

I have long held the opinion that people who fantasize about rape have never actually been raped.

I was once raped. Handsome, muscular, smart (MD), older--early forties to my late twenties. Knew him from the gym, although we had friends in common. Invited me for dinner. Thought we might end up in bed but didn't really care one way or another. Great house in the hills. Good food and conversation. In the kitchen after dinner, he suddenly grabbed me, forced me to the counter, pulled down his pants and mine and shoved his dick into my ass. Not what I was expecting or wanted, but he was bigger and more muscular than I was, so I didn't resist. He was hot, to be sure, but there was no pleasure to be had for me in the 40 seconds or so I was jackhammered. I left resentful and my ass was sore. Funny thing happened, though: about a week after the experience, I began to look upon it differently. I began to think it was actually hot and, whereas I initially never wanted to see the guy again, started to hope for a repeat of sort, but one in which we both ended up naked in bed, and the fucking lasted longer. Never happened. I later heard from a mutual friend that the guy had rape fantasies and had all along planned that the evening would progress the way it did, and that because he had somehow heard I was a whore who had been paid to act out rape fantasies in the past, I might like being actually raped.

In any case, I'm the exception to your rule. I still fantasize being raped.

 

[peeonme]

In civil cases innocent until proven guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not the starting point in a trail. In criminal trials the accused is assumed to be innocent. In a civil case the plaintiff has to put forth a "preponderance of evidence" to win a case, this is an easier goal to obtain. It seems odd that a plaintiff would institute a civil trail before a criminal case resulting in a guilty verdict would happen as the guilty verdict would be great evidence in a civil trail.

I assume the role of I wasn't there so I don't know. Even what we hear on the news means little as it might not be admissible in either a civil or criminal case.

 

[PipRosi]

anyone accused of it is entitled to have their guilt or innocence determined by a court of law

So, your mum or sister or brother or partner come to you crying that someone assaulted them and you tell them "Maybe. Maybe not. We'll let a court decide."

 

[KaraBulut]

In civil cases innocent until proven guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not the starting point in a trail. In criminal trials the accused is assumed to be innocent...

Incidentally, neither of these things is in the US Constitution. It's a concept that only exists because of Supreme Court precedent... like the right to privacy... or bodily autonomy.

It seems odd that a plaintiff would institute a civil trail before a criminal case resulting in a guilty verdict would happen as the guilty verdict would be great evidence in a civil trail.

The DA does need to explain why no criminal charges were filed.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

In civil cases innocent until proven guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt) is not the starting point in a trail. In criminal trials the accused is assumed to be innocent. In a civil case the plaintiff has to put forth a "preponderance of evidence" to win a case, this is an easier goal to obtain. It seems odd that a plaintiff would institute a civil trail before a criminal case resulting in a guilty verdict would happen as the guilty verdict would be great evidence in a civil trail.

I assume the role of I wasn't there so I don't know. Even what we hear on the news means little as it might not be admissible in either a civil or criminal case.

If a rape victim wants any justice a civil case makes more sense, a criminal case makes zero sense since the conviction rate is so low it's practically 0. nobodygets punished for rape. that's the driving force behind the nation's most notorious serial rapists, get caught, face charges, charges dropped, they're now empowered by the courts to do it again.

look at public attitudes about rape. who wants to go to a trial and deal with a jury when most people seem to think "it didn't happen, and if it did it's probably her fault?" we have the technology that we could practically end sexual assault, but we don't want to. we hate women and truth is there's an R Kelly and a Harvey Weinstein on every black, in every church and at most Thanksgiving dinner tables. every large family has that one uncle who nobody allows alone with their kids but nobody's bold enough to say anything versus, say, the confrontation that occurs if someone invites their same-sex partner.

america is a safe haven for sexual predators, we have entire tv shows about their "shenanigans" and how much they get away with before the law catches up to them. hell, we have politicians under investigation for child trafficking so this smug attitude we give victims, questioning their motives and their version of events, it just doesn't coincide with reality. i be wanting to throw my phone when i read comments on social media about how dangerous the middle east is for women as if here is any safer.

 

[peeonme]

If a rape victim wants any justice a civil case makes more sense, a criminal case makes zero sense since the conviction rate is so low it's practically 0. nobodygets punished for rape. that's the driving force behind the nation's most notorious serial rapists, get caught, face charges, charges dropped, they're now empowered by the courts to do it again.

look at public attitudes about rape. who wants to go to a trial and deal with a jury when most people seem to think "it didn't happen, and if it did it's probably her fault?" we have the technology that we could practically end sexual assault, but we don't want to. we hate women and truth is there's an R Kelly and a Harvey Weinstein on every black, in every church and at most Thanksgiving dinner tables. every large family has that one uncle who nobody allows alone with their kids but nobody's bold enough to say anything versus, say, the confrontation that occurs if someone invites their same-sex partner.

america is a safe haven for sexual predators, we have entire tv shows about their "shenanigans" and how much they get away with before the law catches up to them. hell, we have politicians under investigation for child trafficking so this smug attitude we give victims, questioning their motives and their version of events, it just doesn't coincide with reality. i be wanting to throw my phone when i read comments on social media about how dangerous the middle east is for women as if here is any safer.

I was on a jury back in the '80's and the husband and wife were estranged but had made up and separated many times. The husband was charged with rape. The wife's own father walked in on them having sex and testified that "there were at it again". We found the husband guilty after 2 or 3 days of deliberation because of the physical evidence of violence... not rough sex but bruises a fat lip and signs of strangulation. The he said she said cases are hard to prove and in most cases the two people knew each other.

 

[m1thousand]

I want to express my profound apology for this thread. I was an idiot

Im very sorry

 

[unloadonme]

So, your mum or sister or brother or partner come to you crying that someone assaulted them and you tell them "Maybe. Maybe not. We'll let a court decide."

What else would you have me do? Go round to his house and shoot the guy in the good old American fashion? Of course I'd leave it to due legal process.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I was on a jury back in the '80's and the husband and wife were estranged but had made up and separated many times. The husband was charged with rape. The wife's own father walked in on them having sex and testified that "there were at it again". We found the husband guilty after 2 or 3 days of deliberation because of the physical evidence of violence... not rough sex but bruises a fat lip and signs of strangulation. The he said she said cases are hard to prove and in most cases the two people knew each other.

Translation: its easy to get away with raping an acquaintance.

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What else would you have me do? Go round to his house and shoot the guy in the good old American fashion? Of course I'd leave it to due legal process.

He asked a good question. What would you do?

 

[peeonme]

Translation: its easy to get away with raping an acquaintance.

No, it's hard to prove rape of an acquaintance. Just having a penis and having sex doesn't establish rape.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

easy to get away with

No, it's hard to prove

Yeah, and there's a difference between mahogany and burnt sepia.

 

[peeonme]

Incidentally, neither of these things is in the US Constitution. It's a concept that only exists because of Supreme Court precedent... like the right to privacy... or bodily autonomy.


The DA does need to explain why no criminal charges were filed.

I might suspect it would be due to a lack of evidence.

 

[LatinCoffee]

That's definitely the case. That's why the only stories that get attention are when she and possibly he are attractive. This is a sick world with some really sick people in it and threads like this remind me that not everybody has a human soul. I don't believe in demons in the traditional spiritual sense, but in an Earthly way there are people that are just pure, undiluted evil. Rapists and their apologists being at the top of that list.

This is one of our less shining moments on JUB, let us pray someone isn't browsing for the first time and the first thing they see is a thread glorifying sexual assault. It's even worse for men because we have even less space to come forward and this is exactly why. People performing weird creepy mental gymnastics to make the fault a two-way street or to make it sexy.

Beam me up Scotty! One-way.

You hit the nail on the head on this subject, @FabulouslyGhetto In no shape or form should 'rape' be glorified or justified. That is disgusting and inhumane. Unfortunately and tragically, That is the world we live in today. You have people (straight & gay) that believe in it. It's completely evil & demonic! Regardless if the person is ugly or good-looking, no person deserves to be raped. No means Hell to da no! Leave me alone!

 

[Thomas80]

"This is my 2nd sex themed thread of the night..."

In my opinion rape isn't sex but a crime.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

"This is my 2nd sex themed thread of the night..."

In my opinion rape isn't sex but a crime.

BRILLIANT observation, cuz language matters.