Rape

[unloadonme]

What else would you have me do? Go round to his house and shoot the guy in the good old American fashion? Of course I'd leave it to due legal process.

He asked a good question. What would you do?

... I'd leave it to due legal process.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

via google:

0.7% of rapes result in felony conviction. Less than 1%. So assuming, logically, her attacker isn't prosecuted, or he's acquitted, what then? It's not like it's 50/50 maybe he'll be charged maybe he won't. You almost have a better chance of winning the lottery than she would of winning her case.

So, inquiring minds wanna know, in this hypothetical scenario the courts just let him off. Then what?

 

[unloadonme]

It sounds like you're suggesting that the victims of crime should take matters into their own hands if the courts fail to convict. That's disgraceful.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

It sounds like you're suggesting....

.... is what people say when they're about to remix and manipulate somebody's words. if you're not going to answer, that's all the answer i need. have a fun and safe friday!

 

[NotHardUp1]

^You really cannot argue with that, Paul, coming from the master of dodging questions.

You're guilty, by accusation, just like the punter.

So, your mum or sister or brother or partner come to you crying that someone assaulted them and you tell them "Maybe. Maybe not. We'll let a court decide."

In this case, it would appear the accuser's mum, sister, brother, or partner would be forced to ask, "how certain are you of the events, as you normally confuse things when you are drunk?"

It goes without saying that abusing a drunk is just as reprehensible, if not more, than being a drunkard. But, it is also well known that people drink to allow them an excuse to do all sorts of things, including group sex, so the setting of this alleged crime is very much at the center of the question.

And I'm sure we'll hear from the Victimhood Church Chorus that drunk people can't give their consent to anything. Um, when that begins to be true instead of a fallacious mental construct, we'll notify the bars that charge them for the drinks, the casinos that ply them with drinks while making bets or playing craps, and the upscale boutiques that gladly sell expensive gifts to inebriated sugar daddies. Select courts may buy that excuse, but society surely doesn't. Whoring and drinking have been a combo platter for many milennia.

And no. Someone in the family crying isn't the basis of assumed guilt. I have plenty of relatives who believe they are guiltless of all sorts of things when they are either complicit or instigators.

Every allegation deserves equal scrutiny. We have way too many parents, spouses, partners, and families who always refuse to believe the culpability of their own relatives. That's clannish behavior, not love.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Americans have created a safe haven for rapists. The end.

 

[Thomas80]

Americans have created a safe haven for rapists. The end.

Spain did something about it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/world/europe/spain-rape-consent-law.html

The End.

 

[Latimer]

^
Unless you've got it in writing, it's still "he said, she said" and even then, one could argue that he or she was forced to sign.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Spain did something about it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/25/world/europe/spain-rape-consent-law.html

The End.

Tick. Tick. BOOM!

That law wouldn't fly in America.

Various demographic reactions if they passed that here:

White guy: We can only have sex if they verbally consent? This is oppression!

Black guy: I gotta ax for pussy now? Man, fuck that.

Boomer of any color: Back in my day you could just pick one, club her over the head and drag her back to your cave like nature intended. This woke feminism will cause the population to decline.

Black guy: Yeah, what he said, fezimism will make the population decline and shit.

 

[Latimer]

I would like to note that one of the most popular series on Netflix is 365 Days, a Polish "erotic thriller" condemned as glorifying rape. I've assumed the audience for what I understand (I've never watched it) is a lot of sex with both male and female nudity (and most recently, a naked male-male kiss--see the DB piece) is largely female.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/obses...flixs-worst-film-hot-sex-be-damned?ref=scroll

 

[jjonn3]

^
Unless you've got it in writing, it's still "he said, she said" and even then, one could argue that he or she was forced to sign.

I have read that some colleges are recommending you video the consent on your phone. Talk about a mood breaker -

 

[PipRosi]

^It's all sensationalist missing of the point as usual. What needs to be tackled is rape culture itself, late capitalist culture of personal profit over community, defective communication and treating each other (especially our environment) like trash.

It sounds like you're suggesting that the victims of crime should take matters into their own hands if the courts fail to convict. That's disgraceful.

That's you avoiding the question of what you would do. Here's what I think you would do if the alleged victim was someone you know. You would be sensitive to their needs (unlike in this thread) and only cast doubt on their word if you knew they had a history of delusional histrionics (unlike in this thread). Basically, you would be sad about the situation and not go flapping your lips in ways bound to hurt your loved one.

 

[Thomas80]

^
Unless you've got it in writing, it's still "he said, she said" and even then, one could argue that he or she was forced to sign.

Did you read the article? Here's another link if you don't beleive me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Manada_rape_case
The men recorded it on their phone, but you want "something in writing"? Now I don't care if I get banned, let's guess... you're from the US?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I have read that some colleges are recommending you video the consent on your phone. Talk about a mood breaker -

What other option is there if men aren't going to directly address the topic of consent? Women had a whole movement about ending rape and our response was "I can't get jiggy with this shit."

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^It's all sensationalist missing of the point as usual. What needs to be tackled is rape culture itself, late capitalist culture of personal profit over community, defective communication and treating each other (especially our environment) like trash.



That's you avoiding the question of what you would do. Here's what I think you would do if the alleged victim was someone you know. You would be sensitive to their needs (unlike in this thread) and only cast doubt on their word if you knew they had a history of delusional histrionics (unlike in this thread). Basically, you would be sad about the situation and not go flapping your lips in ways bound to hurt your loved one.

 

[TheLoveableLoner]

This is just about one of the most terrible things I've ever read. You're implying that she should be okay with gang rape because you're attracted to one of the men accused?

I'm at a loss for words here. What an extremely insensitive and superficial take.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

This is just about one of the most terrible things I've ever read. You're implying that she should be okay with gang rape because you're attracted to one of the men accused?

I'm at a loss for words here. What an extremely insensitive and superficial take.

Can't stress this enough, we've had some low moments on JUB this is top (or bottom rather) 10. To be fair, the author did realize this later in the thread and apologized. But holy fuck, if I were an admin I'd have locked it before it had a chance to gain traction.

 

[PrinceCory]

I want to express my profound apology for this thread. I was an idiot

Im very sorry

When I first read your last comments at the bottom of your OP, my first thought was, that would be a comment Cormac would have said. The end of the sentence (she should be okay with it) didn't really register with me. I had to go back and reread to see what the fuss was about. I took it (the sentence) as a smartass comment and that you didn't really believe in what you typed.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Just so we're clear guys, rape = bad.

 

[nycguydowntown]

I hope I would raise my daughter to leave perceived bad situations ASAP--go to parties with a friend and watch out for each other and learn martial arts---my brother raised his daughter this way.