Religious conversions at pride

[sixthson]

Isn't that what the people at the pride parade are doing...giving out reading materials and asking questions?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Well from that original post you made about the situation that is definitely not what it sounded like you did. Either way, Sixthson makes a valid point.

 

[Kahaih]

Seems to me I've read something of this sort before. But it was used to explain how homosexuals lured lost and confused children into their ranks.

Lex

So telemarketers, lovers, and mothers must all be after the same thing since they all call us on the same phone? Is that how you see it?

You're post implies that an accusation fits all or it fits none – that it's either true in every situation or it's false in every situation.

 

[zombiekiller]

Well from that original post you made about the situation that is definitely not what it sounded like you did. Either way, Sixthson makes a valid point.

Yes, at times I do take credit for what happened with my boyfriend turning from deeply religious christian to atheist. And like I said, I jokingly say a lot of times that I did it. But the fact of the matter is I never ever said "hey, you should stop believing in god". What I did was I bursted his bubble about him needing god to fulfill his needs. I opened him up to the possibility that he could pursue his dreams, career, etc. without having the need to seek the approval of a god. I started him on a path to begin questioning a bronze age religion. And also keep in mind that I accepted him when he was deeply religious and I accept him now as an atheist. I love him regardless of what personal belief he holds.

So, don't try to compare me to his religious parents that kicked him out when he was 15 after he came out to them. The first year of our lives together, I began waking up in the middle of the night finding him crying in his sleep. I'm a light sleeper and wake up to pretty much everything. He only stopped doing that late last year. I'm still convinced being abandoned by his parents had a bigger impact on his psyche than what was visible on the outside.

Christians really should spend more time and money telling their own ranks to stop abandoning their gay children instead of doing everything they can to get people to vote against our rights and interests. They can sugar coat it all they want, I'm not letting it slide.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Yes, at times I do take credit for what happened with my boyfriend turning from deeply religious christian to atheist. And like I said, I jokingly say a lot of times that I did it. But the fact of the matter is I never ever said "hey, you should stop believing in god". What I did was I bursted his bubble about him needing god to fulfill his needs. I opened him up to the possibility that he could pursue his dreams, career, etc. without having the need to seek the approval of a god. I started him on a path to begin questioning a bronze age religion. And also keep in mind that I accepted him when he was deeply religious and I accept him now as an atheist. I love him regardless of what personal belief he holds.

So, don't try to compare me to his religious parents that kicked him out when he was 15 after he came out to them. The first year of our lives together, I began waking up in the middle of the night finding him crying in his sleep. I'm a light sleeper and wake up to pretty much everything. He only stopped doing that late last year. I'm still convinced being abandoned by his parents had a bigger impact on his psyche than what was visible on the outside.

Christians really should spend more time and money telling their own ranks to stop abandoning their gay children instead of doing everything they can to get people to vote against our rights and interests. They can sugar coat it all they want, I'm not letting it slide.

So because some Christians are bad, all Christians are bad?

I'm confused here.

 

[zombiekiller]

Isn't that what the people at the pride parade are doing...giving out reading materials and asking questions?

American soldiers kill people. Nazis killed people. Therefore, US soldiers are like nazis.


See how easy it is to obfuscate the truth by overgeneralizing and equating random facts?

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So because some Christians are bad, all Christians are bad?

I'm confused here.

When did I say all christians are bad?

 

[LuckysRevenge]

There are currently 3 groups of religious people:

(1) Those who go to gay events and hold up hate signs like "god hates fags". This group is of no threat to us and only serves as a distraction to divert attention away from the next group.

(2) This group extends their hands to con gay and trans people into joining their churches. What they say often times are very accepting and loving. A lot of gay people, having been rejected by their community at large, are conned into joining these groups. They will slowly start to try to turn gay people straight. I've personally known 2 guys that this happened to. One of them was an ex of mine. Always been gay all his life. Then all of a sudden, he was straight because he found jesus. I asked him if he liked girls now? He said no, but he found jesus so he didn't need to love anyone else

(3) Then there is the 3rd group that are the so-called gay christians. These are often times self-hate and unknowingly spread the christian message of hate within the gay community. These guys cause people to vote against their interest. Go jesus!

People are to fixated to group #1 to see what groups 2 and 3 are doing.

Doesn't seem to be any positive options here

 

[kallipolis]

Freedom of speech is not just a right, it's a responsibility.

Too true, when recalling that ones own freedom of expression should not be at the expense of those, who would deny us ours...no matter how repugnant their message...

The British radical who contributed so many wise ideas supporting the American Revolution, Thomas Paine wrote wisely:

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Yes, at times I do take credit for what happened with my boyfriend turning from deeply religious christian to atheist. And like I said, I jokingly say a lot of times that I did it. But the fact of the matter is I never ever said "hey, you should stop believing in god". What I did was I bursted his bubble about him needing god to fulfill his needs. I opened him up to the possibility that he could pursue his dreams, career, etc. without having the need to seek the approval of a god. I started him on a path to begin questioning a bronze age religion. And also keep in mind that I accepted him when he was deeply religious and I accept him now as an atheist. I love him regardless of what personal belief he holds.

So then you pretty did encourage him to change his beliefs then? I'm not comparing you to people I don't know, I just don't think you have any ground to stand on when you do this and are complaining about religious groups at pride.

Regardless of ones beliefs, what you did doesn't sound any different than what you are saying these religious people are doing.

 

[zombiekiller]

So then you pretty did encourage him to change his beliefs then? I'm not comparing you to people I don't know, I just don't think you have any ground to stand on when you do this and are complaining about religious groups at pride.

Regardless of ones beliefs, what you did doesn't sound any different than what you are saying these religious people are doing.

Are you seriously comparing me opening his mind up to other possibilities and people who say believe in their bronze age god or be burned in hell forever and ever and ever?

If this is the case, then is it safe for me to say that Americans are nazis for driving cars because nazis also drove cars?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Are you seriously comparing me opening his mind up to other possibilities and people who say believe in their bronze age god or be burned in hell forever and ever and ever?

No. I am saying why is it okay for you to "open ones mind to other possibilities" but religious people apparently aren't allowed to?

You said in this thread that religious people prey upon the weak and vulnerable. You said your boyfriend had religious parents that kicked him out and was further vunerable afterwards. So again how is it different in what you did? It can be said you took advantage of a vunerable person to persuade them to your beliefs in the information you provided.

If this is the case, then is it safe for me to say that Americans are nazis for driving cars because nazis also drove cars?

This is just a ridiculous comparison to try and make my argument sound bad. It isn't going to work.

 

[Scealle]

I know some gay guys who are religious/ liberal Christians etc so I won't be surprised if they are there in pride events.

If this is the case, then is it safe for me to say that Americans are nazis for driving cars because nazis also drove cars?

Not sure why you keep you bringing up the nazis and your disdain of Germany. You do know that german population are some of the biggest white population (or ancestry) in the US? Your white boyfriend is probably of german (ancestry) too. If I tell you I always thought I would end up marrying someone of Japanese/boyfriend as I find Japanese men attractive are you going to think I am racist or some sort of race traitor?