Religious ignorance plus hate

[Stardreamer]

Humans have a basic need to believe in something beyond themselves, this is what researches found, we are hardwired to believe. That manifests itself in religion. If you take religion away, as Kuli points out, people will just fill that void with something else and the more radical will always take it to the extreme. It is such a basic part of our nature that trying to suppress it would probably do as much if not more harm to people than the allowing religions to stay and just trying to manage the extremism.

 

[Kulindahr]

Why is the Bible considered trustworthy? Because it says so? I can trust in a person I know based on a judgement of character and past experiences with that person.

Not a very subtle move at changing the subject.

 

[bort138]

Not a very subtle move at changing the subject.

Not a very subtle way to not answer the question.

 

[TX-Beau]

GGRRROOOOAAAANNNNNN.

Can't we leave this endless tedium argument in the religion forum?

 

[bankside]

It's religious ignorance. Nothing in the Qu'ran backs this sort of barbarity:

It's also my understanding that, unlike with how many people view Christianity, the Qu'ran itself is not the final, definitive word on what is or is not acceptable for Muslims to practice. In cases where the hadith contradicts the Qu'ran, the hadith takes precedence.

The point is not what the Koran says or the writings following it - none of those things matter since the establishment of the United Nations and the development of declarations of human rights. Terrorism is not protected under international law, and people with a bone to pick have to govern themselves accordingly.

Knowing that, it resolves issues like this:

That's not really the issue. The trouble is that they don't actually pay attention to the book --

Religion needs to go away period.

That shows immense ignorance of humanity.

…because it doesn't matter whether they pay attention to the Koran or Star Wars or My Fair Lady, terrorism is still wrong.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Since the topic is about religion and ignorance and what is or isn't justified by religious belief, and not whether or not terrorism is bad or international law condemns it, no, we didn't miss a point. And these declarations of what is actually pertinent are tiresome, particularly when they aren't correct.

 

[TX-Beau]

Since the topic is about religion and ignorance and what is or isn't justified by religious belief, and not whether or not terrorism is bad or international law condemns it, no, we didn't miss a point. And these declarations of what is actually pertinent are tiresome, particularly when they aren't correct.

I don't think you inhabit the religion forum so let me sum up:
(as soon as all the usual suspects arrive - most of them are here, but some are TARDY! you know who you are)

Christian: ISLAM IS BARBAROUS!

Pagan: ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE BARBAROUS!

Atheist: ALL RELIGIONS ARE BARBAROUS!

Shit Stirrer: THE ATHEIST CALLED ME A STINKER!

Atheist: NO I DIDN'T GOD IS FICTION!

Christian/Pagan/Shit Stirrer: YOU HAVE NO FAITH!!

Atheist: DUH!

Muslim: (...crickets chirping..).

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not a very subtle way to not answer the question.

The point to which my comment was a reply, namely the nature of faith, was relevant to this topic. Your attempt to change the subject was not.

 

[Kulindahr]

I asked how one fights such subhuman hate. Suggestions so far....

• eliminate religion
• eliminate faith
• more hate

seem to be the only actual offerings.


I regard the first as impossible so long as humans seek deep truth, the second impossible so long as there are humans, and the third counterproductive.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I asked how one fights such subhuman hate. Suggestions so far....

• eliminate religion
• eliminate faith
• more hate

seem to be the only actual offerings.


I regard the first as impossible so long as humans seek deep truth, the second impossible so long as there are humans, and the third counterproductive.

My answer would be work on reforming the socioeconomic systems in which extremist strains of religion preaching violent change are likely to gain traction. Usually inordinately unequal parts of the world with low amounts of social equity or justice. Conditions such as watching your ruling elite hold 90+% of the wealth while they import Filipino guest workers to do the work-work, and are financially or militarily propped up with help from the West.

Divestment from many of these countries would be a great start but for that America has to deal with its oil addiction as a first step.

 

[bort138]

The point to which my comment was a reply, namely the nature of faith, was relevant to this topic. Your attempt to change the subject was not.

I wasn't trying to change the subject. I interpreted your comment on "faith in the Bible" to mean "trust that the Bible is true" but you seemed to have meant "the Bible commands trust when it means faith."

 

[bankside]

I asked how one fights such subhuman hate. Suggestions so far....

• eliminate religion
• eliminate faith
• more hate

seem to be the only actual offerings.


I regard the first as impossible so long as humans seek deep truth, the second impossible so long as there are humans, and the third counterproductive.

You missed the suggestion to build on international norms of civilised behaviour. We've even declared them and sent people at risk of their lives to uphold them in many cases.

 

[Kulindahr]

I wasn't trying to change the subject. I interpreted your comment on "faith in the Bible" to mean "trust that the Bible is true" but you seemed to have meant "the Bible commands trust when it means faith."

I said "the definition of faith in the Bible", in contrast to your definition of faith. It wasn't about anything the Bible commands, it was that when the Bible says "faith", the meaning is "trust (in a person)".

 

[Kulindahr]

You missed the suggestion to build on international norms of civilised behaviour. We've even declared them and sent people at risk of their lives to uphold them in many cases.

Okay; consider that added to the list.

 

[bort138]

I said "the definition of faith in the Bible", in contrast to your definition of faith. It wasn't about anything the Bible commands, it was that when the Bible says "faith", the meaning is "trust (in a person)".

Understood.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Hate from a hater.

If by the hater you mean Mohammad and his Quran then you are right.

 

[lambdaboy]

"Imagine no religion it isn't hard to do"

 

[Rolyo85]

If by the hater you mean Mohammad and his Quran then you are right.

Do you have an off button? Your simplistic ignorance is embarrassing.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Do you have an off button? Your simplistic ignorance is embarrassing.

This coming from an Islamophile Liberal who has clearly never studied the Quran, Hadith or the teachings of Islam. Jihad against infidels has always been part of Islamic doctrine. Because of this idea it has caused countless civilizations and religious groups to be wiped off the mouth. If you had actually done some research instead of being a Islamophile and an apologist to the racist, sexist, homophobic and violent ideology that is Islam you would know that. I actually have the facts the one who actually has simplistic ignorance is you because I can easily debunk your claims with Islam's source materials.

 

[xbuzzerx]

This coming from an Islamophile Liberal who has clearly never studied the Quran, Hadith or the teachings of Islam. Jihad against infidels has always been part of Islamic doctrine. Because of this idea it has caused countless civilizations and religious groups to be wiped off the mouth. If you had actually done some research instead of being a Islamophile and an apologist to the racist, sexist, homophobic and violent ideology that is Islam you would know that. I actually have the facts the one who actually has simplistic ignorance is you because I can easily debunk your claims with Islam's source materials.

I can find hate cites that mis-contextualize the sections on 7alal as being "actually" about hacking off the heads of people.

That doesn't make it true, nor does an extremist or zealous reading into those passages--- by either an extremist Muslim OR an extremist anti-Muslim--- mean that it is a proper understanding of what is actually taught or touted by anyone but extremists.