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Reproduction of Noah's Ark in Kentucky

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I went to see the reproduction of Noah's Ark in Kentucky on Tuesday. It is about 30 miles south of Cincinnati. I was surprised at the thought and work that had gone into it. They did a good job in thinking it though and the workmanship is pretty good too. I don't believe in everything that its builders believe in, although I do believe in the story of Noah, but they did a good representation which is worth seeing. They even came up with ways which Noah and his family could have watered and fed the animals on the ark. It is $40, but seniors get a discount, and $10 to park. It is over 400 feet long and has 3 decks and is about as tall as a 5 story building and is all out of wood. It takes about 3 hours to go through it, but do go on a day when it won't be busy. We had to wait a few minutes for people to move out of the way a few times in order to read some of the explanations.
 
Have you been to the "Creationist Museum"? I went there a few years ago and laughed my ass off. Bill Maher featured it in his documentary "Religulous". It was beyond belief, I still have trouble believing what I saw. Yeah, me and my friends smoked some weed before we went inside, which only made things funnier than they already were. When I saw a dinosaur wearing a saddle, with a kid in it, I cracked up and had to go in the men's room to stop laughing. Oh, and going there as a gay man was REALLY a trip. Yes, it looks like I'm going to burn in hell just for my impure thoughts. That's fine by me, I love hot weather. I just hope hell is a dry heat, humidity sucks.
 
I don't think I could bear it. Having been raised in the South, I was already too keenly aware of the hyper-religiosity of it, and now that I am returned, it is almost oppressive in its virulence.

Religion is fine, btw, but the desperation of Fundamentalists is a thing that is obnoxious. The mandate to share the Gospel is a true one, but screaming it from a billboard or putting up a cross in one's lawn isn't what the Creator had in mind. The truth is, evangelists have to poach from other churches or denominations in order to get much any conversion, as the South is overgrown with churches and believers.

God, and the awareness of God, is transcendent, even if it is hard for us to get how dumbing down his existence helps. I trust he is just as able to reach the thick and doltish as he is the wise and sage. Education has never challenged my own faith, but it has helped me evolve in how I understand the metaphysical.

Thankfully, that is not the only aspect of faith in the South. There is also a palpable friendliness, a care and concern even if it often spills over into nosiness, and a willingness to help that is yet surprising even for a native like me. I have lived and travelled in the US broadly, and hospitality and courtesy are true values here.

I am challenged to see what I can do to promote and demand respect for gay civil rights in my new environs.
 
pat grimshaw said:
Would it float?
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No its is a boat-shaped building and it is not made entirely out of wood either it was built with modern construction techniques and materials including electrical and plumbing. But then if they built just an actual working replica of the biblical ark they would never get the health and safety permits necessary to operate the facility. I will admit I would be more impressed if they built an actual ark and floated it out to sea to prove the point.

This is the same folks who built the Creationist Museum and it is just a laughable. They have a great spiel on how it all works and it sounds convincing but doesn't really stand up to or disprove the obvious logistical and scientific problems with the ark story.
 
Science and rationality have become so popular that they're required to make a visit to the most ridiculous places.

I think it would be fine if there were a Noah's Ark Park without the "explanations."

Of course that wouldn't work...because it's the imprimatur of science which lends the museum credibility, not the value of the biblical story itself.

Without the sort of evidence this park provides, people would be faithless.
 
Stardreamer said:
.... it was built with modern construction techniques and materials including electrical and plumbing. ....they would never get the health and safety permits necessary to operate the facility....
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It would be interesting and educative to see how people lived two thousand years ago without electricity and without sewerage or medicine and hygeine.

My friend, the yoga yogi, says people would turn back to religion if they didn't have those mod cons.
 
Rickrock said:
I went to see the reproduction of Noah's Ark in Kentucky on Tuesday. It is about 30 miles south of Cincinnati. I was surprised at the thought and work that had gone into it. They did a good job in thinking it [through] and the workmanship is pretty good too.
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Stardreamer said:
… if they built just an actual working replica of the biblical ark they would never get the health and safety permits necessary to operate the facility.
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A thread from 10 years ago: Noah’s Ark housed Dinosaurs in KY Creation Museum (CE&P; May 2007)​
 
No, I don't think that it would float as is. I think that they added concrete restrooms on the back side for public use that are outside of the main structure but attached to it on the inside. They have large ramps inside for the public which would not have been in the original. They even have air conditioning ducts near the ceiling because it would be unbearable in the summer without them. Still they have enough cages and food storage so that you get the impression of what the original would have been like.

I did not go to the Creation Museum, which is at a different site, because I believe that it would have been a waste of my time and we did this as a day trip from our home and would not have had the time to do both anyway.
 
Rickrock said:
They have large ramps inside for the public which would not have been in the original ... Still they have enough cages and food storage so that you get the impression of what the original would have been like ...
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The original? Really? As LeicsDom has commented above, the story of Noah's Ark has as much grounding in reality as Harry Potter.
 
We must remember for ass holes that believe in Noah or Creationism there would have been two of every dinosaur on earth after all they walked with man. There is nothing stupider than someone who believes this crock of shit. Ken Ham is weirdo. I am not saying anyone has to be an Atheist as I am but use your head when it comes to this stuff!
 
Pierresro said:
We must remember for ass holes that believe in Noah or Creationism there would have been two of every dinosaur on earth after all they walked with man.
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My biggest problem with creationism is trying to combine science and religion and cram the entire history of the world into 6,000 years. Their kids must be completely screwed up in their heads.
 
It would be useful to hear from some of our Jewish members and how they deal with the Noahic account. After all, it is a Jewish myth, most appropriately attributed to the Mesopotamian account of Gilgamesh. Although Christianity can greatly differ from Judaism in how it handles Biblical stories, it nonetheless inherits the stories from the Hebrews.

We learn a lot from our ancestry, and I use "our" with much intent, it applies whether you now identify as Wiccan, Christian, Jew, atheist, or other, in the West. Our ancestry comes from a shared culture with Judaism and Christianity, whether your genetic line does or not.

There are today literalists who avoid any complicated reading of passages, but to know man, one knows there have always been such strains of thought and non-thought, even back to the oral tradition days.

When we revel in our little orgies of sameness, whether we are modernists, literalists, agnostics, syncretists, or atheists, we merely continue a tribalism that has existed for century upon century. Even Muhammed showed some tolerance for Christians and Jews when he set up the Constitution of Medina.

How foolish we appear not only when we espouse foolish beliefs, but also when we engage in mutual masturbation exercises of imagined superiority and self-aggrandizement of our supposed enlightenment.
 
Rickrock said:
No, I don't think that it would float as is. I think that they added concrete restrooms on the back side for public use that are outside of the main structure but attached to it on the inside. They have large ramps inside for the public which would not have been in the original. They even have air conditioning ducts near the ceiling because it would be unbearable in the summer without them. Still they have enough cages and food storage so that you get the impression of what the original would have been like.

I did not go to the Creation Museum, which is at a different site, because I believe that it would have been a waste of my time and we did this as a day trip from our home and would not have had the time to do both anyway.
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The structure was not built to be seaworthy and is hopelessly compromised for any attempt to make it so. Even if it was, a wooden structure would not be able to withstand the stresses imposed on a free floating structure that size in the open ocean. There is reason why wooden ships were not made above a certain size. A ship that size would break its back in even a mildly rough sea.

Some very smart people have crunched the numbers not only on the structrual integrity issues but on the logistics necessary. The cages and food distribution displays may be impressive but they are wholely inadequate to the task described. If they carried enough food for the voyage, there would be no room for the animals they needed to carry and vice versa. Even the arguement that they carried infant animals to save space doesn't help as it actually makes the food requirements worse.

No matter how you crunch the numbers the science of the Ark does not work without resorting to divine intervention. Since the purpose of the Ark Encounter is to claim that such science does work, it fails on the basics before you even go in the door.
 
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'Voyage'?

I have only a dim memory of the story but I thought the Noah family just wanted a temporary place to float about in while the vengeful god chose to drown all the sinners who ignored him.
 
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